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[fishercob]

I hate this thread.

[TGW]

I didn't mean to offend CCJ. Your basketball acumen is better than most...maybe even better than EG.

I think on this point however, you are wrong.

[Jay81]

if i see one more GM say that they want to use the oklahoma city model.............

[dangermouse]

Oklahoma City Model 10 step plan, in a nutshell:

1. Tank because you are moving the team.

2. Luck (?) into a #2 pick in the draft, in which the top two picks are historically good from a talent and potential standpoint.

3. Have the team with the #1 pick select the "safer, stereotypical" pick i.e. the big man with the hall of fame potential despite injury concerns.

4. Your player turns out to be just as Hall Of Fame worthy.

5. Trade away any players who might raise any chance of having a middling lotto pick in forthcoming drafts.

6. Get a decent pick in a decent draft, pick BPA in an area of weakness, you may now take slightly riskier picks (higher all-star potential with coinciding higher bust potential) as you have your stud.

7. Rinse and repeat 6. until team makes playoffs.

8. Playoff bound team must now make savvy trades in order to fill positions of need in order to raise higher in playoff time.

9. ???

10. Profit.



Yeah... Nah... Not every team can do that... I think we got lucky. In terms of impact to our team, I think Wall has as much value and potential as Durant. It may go unnoticed as there seem to be a smorgasbord of top PGs already in the league, particularly in the East, and top PG prospects incoming, particularly in the East... We got lucky. Now its time for EG to build, build, build that contender. We don't necessarily have to follow the "OKC Model" or the "Bulls model", but it would be nice if in a couple of years, teams start proclaiming that they want to follow the "Washington Model".

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I didn't mean to offend CCJ. Your basketball acumen is better than most...maybe even better than EG.

I think on this point however, you are wrong.

No worries. I could be. I wasn't upset with you, TGW. Like fish, I'm tired of this topic. Some subjects are widely unpopular and not open for debate. This is one.

I remember strongly suggesting the Wizards do not re-sign Gilbert. That one wasn't open for debate. Right now, I feel no matter how good Wall may become, it's going to take him 3 years to get there. I would make a trade for any combination of players if it were lopsided in the favor of the Wizards.

Perhaps I haven't suggested anything that meets that description involving my Wall trade ideas, but I would trade Wall, too, if the right deal were offered.

[tontoz]

Antoine Wright on Demarcus Cousins:

"I'm not going to throw any of their players under the bus, but one of the main players who was a big part of our team, his attitude was really, really bad -- I'm pretty sure you can figure out who that guy is," he said before confirming that he was speaking of then-rookie forward-center DeMarcus Cousins.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1PNAXMNqf

Thank god we have Wall and not that idiot.

Wright got waived by the Kings in November.

Cousins played some of his best basketball after Wright was waived. Cousins finished 1st team All NBA-Rookie team, and averaged 17.8 points, 10.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists per 36-minutes; at 20 years old, the same age as Wall.

I might still make the very same trade idea knowing then what I know now. Instead of Wall at #1, Washington probably could have had something like Iguodala (and no Lewis) and the rights to Cousins, plus some future pick.

[Nivek]

CCJ -- For what it's worth, I'd trade ANYONE (including Wall) if the right deal came along. Haven't seen the right deal yet, but I don't think it's a closed subject. At least not for me. I like that you're willing to discuss seriously what many others consider unthinkable.

[montestewart]

^
Same here. I think I value Wall's skills and potential more than you do, but if I thought a trade might improve the Wizards, I'd be open to it. I like reading even unusual trade suggestions. Lyrical Rico and others occasionally make some ( to me) pretty off-the-wall trade ideas, but they're still interesting to read, and they provoke further discussions about creating a better roster.

[Illuminaire]

In theory I agree. Where I have an issue is people proposing we trade Wall for non-franchise players. We can get those in other ways. We cannot get someone as talented as Wall by ordinary means - so if we're giving him up, we HAVE to be getting back a true cornerstone.

If you said New Orleans would do a Wall + Lewis for Chris Paul + filler swap, I'd say yes.

But when people propose Demarcus Cousins and Andre Iguodala for J-Wall, I just start getting a headache.

[DaRealHibachi]

I wouldn't trade Wall for anybody but Howard right now, simply b/c I would love to see Wall at his best, and I think we should to market our own new superstar, not just someone else's star...

[tontoz]

CCJ -- For what it's worth, I'd trade ANYONE (including Wall) if the right deal came along. Haven't seen the right deal yet, but I don't think it's a closed subject. At least not for me. I like that you're willing to discuss seriously what many others consider unthinkable.

The problem isn't just that he keeps posting Wall trades. The problem is that he keeps talking about trading him for Cousins or talks about drafting Cousins + whatever instead of drafting Wall. The Cousins talk has been old for awhile.

[DCZards]

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[DCZards]

The problem isn't just that he keeps posting Wall trades. The problem is that he keeps talking about trading him for Cousins or talks about drafting Cousins + whatever instead of drafting Wall. The Cousins talk has been old for awhile.

+1

[Zonkerbl]

Well, there's no denying that Cousins is an awesome NBA talent, and probably is more talented overall than Wall. Riddle me this though. Over the course of his career, will he be a more valuable asset on a team than Wall? Or to put it another way, who would you rather have had on your team for ten years, Sam Cassell or Derrick Coleman?

I mean I see where CCJ is coming from. I watch some of the plays Cousins makes and go wow. That is money. But he's also obviously a douche. Despite his amazing talent, I just really do not want to like Cousins. So even though CCJ is a heck of a lot smarter than I am about NBA talent and is probably right, I just don't want Cousins on my team. I wouldn't enjoy rooting for the team as much.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ -- For what it's worth, I'd trade ANYONE (including Wall) if the right deal came along. Haven't seen the right deal yet, but I don't think it's a closed subject. At least not for me. I like that you're willing to discuss seriously what many others consider unthinkable.

Thanks, Nivek.

I consider you to be more intelligent than I and 99.9% of anyone who posts here, Kevin.

I've been doing a lot more reading of late. Here's something I came across. John C. Maxwell, author of "Thinking for a Change" and "Make Today Count" among others, asserts there are many kinds of thinking*:
1. Big picture thinking
2. Focused thinking
3. Creative thinking
4. Realistic thinking
5. Strategic thinking
6. Possibility thinking
7. Reflective thinking
8. Questioning popular thinking
9. Shared thinking
10. Unselfish thinking
11. Bottom-line thinking

*From pages 50-51 of "Make Today Count" -- look there to see his explanations of each

Maxwell claims each of us has strengths and weaknesses in various areas of thinking. I believe him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

In theory I agree. Where I have an issue is people proposing we trade Wall for non-franchise players. We can get those in other ways. We cannot get someone as talented as Wall by ordinary means - so if we're giving him up, we HAVE to be getting back a true cornerstone.

If you said New Orleans would do a Wall + Lewis for Chris Paul + filler swap, I'd say yes.

But when people propose Demarcus Cousins and Andre Iguodala for J-Wall, I just start getting a headache.

I never said Cousins and Iguodala for Wall. Add an unprotected draft pick, plus the other team takes Lewis while also giving the Wizards more future cap room--then it is something to consider IMO.

[doclinkin]

Who can resist...

When both teams score well into the 100s in a matchup at Washington, D.C.’s streetball Goodman League, some NBA players must have joined in on the action.

That was the case July 2, when Washington Wizards star John Wall teamed up with the Baltimore’s Finest squad to take out the Sweat Mob, 133-118, in the headliner game held at Spingarn High School in Northeast, D.C.

Wall, 20, showed off the freak athleticism that made him the No. 1 pick in the 2010 NBA draft, speeding up and down the court to score a game-high 41 points. He even showed off a long-range jumper that he’s been working on this offseason, one of his weaker areas that needed improvement. A few three-pointers in the first half helped Baltimore’s Finest leap out to a 74-56 lead at halftime.

“I’ve been working on it, so I’m getting more comfortable [shooting from range],” Wall told the AFRO. “I just have to keep working and working.”

vs.

He was followed by NBA player DeMarcus Cousins with 29 points. Cousins, the 5th overall pick in the 2010 draft, had a tough game, picking up a technical foul in the first half after tossing the ball outside the gym door in frustration after being called for traveling.

here.

[TGW]

^^^ROFL. Expect more of this stuff as their careers develop.

[doclinkin]

But on the flipside, to balance out the CCJ 'toldja-so' tally:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV-nDD5CLCE[/youtube]

Pretty sure John Wall could use a guy like this to run with... I'm just a little bit sick inside, again. Man. Singleton will have a lotta work to do to surmount this one. Not to mention Vesely.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I think CCJ and Doc hit it with Faried. I'm still amazed the Knicks passed on both Singleton and Faried to take Shumpert. And I know Singleton's the popular pick in DC, but Faried should have been Washington's pick. He's even better defensively than Singleton, and he's a crazy good rebounder, and he's a PF who would could play with Vesely. He's got the James Gist vibe that Vesely fed off - except his arms are twice as big as Gist's (and 3 times the size of Vesely's).