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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#341 » by queridiculo » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:57 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Did this happen last season?

Nene misses a ton of games and is very inconsistent due to injury. Prior to being a Wizard he was also considered a bad teammate.

Ruzious, I thought both guys were very solid citizens and nothing but positive as Wizards last season. Seriously, did I miss something? By example I thought Ariza hustled and made great plays often.


CCJ, Ariza clearly didn't want to be here early on in the season and it showed in his attitude and effort when the Wizards had that awful start.

He came around when Wall came back, and he started to resemble an NBA player.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#342 » by penbeast0 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:27 pm

likwitdesi wrote:I'd rather use that money on Beno Udrih. The way I look at the PG position in free agency:

Reach Targets: Mo Williams, Devin Harris, Jarrett Jack, Nate Robinson
Realistic Targets: Beno Udrih, Toney Douglas (RFA), CJ Watson


How do you feel about Chauncey Billups as a one/two year quick fix behind Wall?
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#343 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:15 pm

Dat2U wrote:I told you guys, Webster sees the writing on the Wall. Unless they are actively looking to deal Ariza, I don't see a viable scenario for Webster to come back to DC. The minutes simply won't be there and there are bigger priorities.


You could be right. We will only know once the deal is done or not. But I don't concede your premiss.

Webster can still start at SF until Otto proves he is ready. Wall and Beal need that. He can also back up at SG. GR Jr hasn't proven anything yet and his is just a 2nd round pick. I could see a scenario where Webster starts at SF the entire year. At least as long as their are playoff hopes.

Trevor A and Otto are both big enough to play some PF. Its PF that is the open slot with questions more then anything. Thats where the real battle will take place.

Moving forward in year 2 and 3 of a contract, back up SF and SG gets him enough minutes. Thats all he is going to get wherever he goes. And he likes it here so why move ? He likes the players, the area and the system works for his skills.

And keep in mind, Otto hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet. Sure we have high hopes he has a low bust value, but there will be a transition at a min.

I think they want Webster here. I expect him to stay. If he doesn't, I will be kind of pissed. He just does to much for this team with his skills and personality. I actually see him as the center of the locker room. He and Beal are the real glue to this team. I think that more so then Wall. Its Beal that seems to know everyone and keeps in contact with them.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#344 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:33 pm

rockymac52 wrote:Webster's comments do concern me, but at the same time, I think it was just his way of expressing his honest feelings about what had just happened in the draft. Obviously if you're a free agent SF and your team drafts 2 SFs, logically you have to understand they're likely moving in another direction. Martell's "I just want to be wanted" quote is the key, IMO. I think he genuinely means that. He'll accept less than the MLE, and he's happy to come off the bench, but only as long as the Wizards express to him that they want him. Drafting 2 SFs doesn't really express that to him.

HOWEVER, if you read Ernie and Randy's post-draft comments, they still remain adamant that the draft selections did not change their plans with Webster. They both keep emphasizing that several of our wings can play 2, maybe 3 positions. They clearly intend to play Ariza and maybe Porter at PF some stretches this season.

I think the Wizards will reach out to Webster today or very soon, and reassure him that he's still our priority, and that we want him to return and to be a big contributor. They'll tell him their plan to play him at SG some, as well as getting Ariza/Porter some minutes at PF to open up more playing time for Webster. We'll offer him the same deal we were always going to offer him, and hopefully Webster understands where we're coming from, and buys in.

I think all of that is what's going on, and I think he will still be re-signed, even if Ariza is not traded. I do admit that I am much more skeptical than I was in the past, and I'm worried that we might lose him. But I'm also cautiously optimistic.

Webster wants to be here. We want Webster to be here. We're going to pay him and he's going to get minutes. We just need to speak with him and reassure him that he's a big part of our future plans, and I suspect he'll be all in.


Exactly. The Wizards talk has been one of, we are adding basketball players. Thats what Otto is. For now, with team going small ball, Trevor A and Otto are SFs that can play some PF. Webster is a SF that can play some SG. Glen Rice is not a priority, he was a 2nd round pick SG/SF. If he works out, great. If not, they took a swing. I don't think he sees much time and when he does, its at SG. He replaced Martin.

Martin gone. Check that off the list of things to do.

I see the core minutes going

Wall
Beal/Webster
Webster/Otto/Trevor A
Trevor A/Otto/Nene
Nene/Okafor

Thats the core 7 for minutes.

With a battle for PF/C minutes between Ves and Kevin .. Thats your 8 and 9

Everything else is bench reserves. Temple, Price (or FA PG), Booker, Glen Rice

Wall wanted some S4. Well I think Trevor A and Otto will play that role.

Trevor A is the one who's is most likely not here at some point this year or next. Not Webster. I think he has a clear role and a home on this team. Its PF or center that needs worked out. I think PG, SG and SF look set and Webster is a key part of that.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#345 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:51 pm

rockymac52 wrote:Ariza already opted in. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... th-wizards

Ted's Take entry from yesterday titled "Continuity and Stability": http://tedstake.monumentalnetwork.com/c ... /index.jsp

"I am focused on a non dramatic off season. An off season where we are focused on improvement and on the draft where we can add to our young core - a free agent period where we can bring back key players. We can add to the core with additional vet players. During the off season we can focus on health and fitness and then to a strong camp where we have a full roster of players all focused on their roles within a system that is known. Our collective focus isn't on role development of an individual but on winning as a team and as an organization. "


He names Trevor Ariza in that post because he opted in. Yet he's still talking about bringing back key players and maintaining continuity. Honestly, who else could he be talking about? Webster is who that post is about, and maybe Price as well.

I would like to hope that the Wizards explained this all to Webster already, if not, that's troublesome. I think it will all work out though. Webster's a smart guy, and he'll understand what we're doing, and he'll recognize that he's still going to get his minutes for us. He's not going anywhere.


I think you missed the first thing he wrote that was really important.

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Having a system that becomes second nature to a full roster of players - having an innate comfort level with plays that will be run, rotations, teammates, and coaches is quite important. Entering a training camp knowing what role a player will have, who the team will put on the floor in which situations and what is expected of a player adds to the level of familiarity - and also then places emphasis on perfecting plays and systems instead of introducing concepts to players. Playing the game becomes instinctual and second nature, and chemistry on the floor becomes self evident.

We will do our best to continue to bring back our key players in the rotation and keep our systems in place to perfect them.

We are working hard this off season on fitness and on recovery and health; we want to add to the team to offer incremental improvement while keeping stability and continuity in place for the season.

...

As I posted in the trade thread..they aren't doing any big trades this year. Webster will be back. Glen is a bench player replacing Martin. He is just depth. Steady as she goes.

I think the one piece they are evaluating is Price or a vet that is a more polished PG. That's about it. But as much as I'm not totally sold on Price, he was another one of those locker room guys. I think whoever they get there will be on a one year contract unless they find a really nice piece, then it will be a two year.

I also think Temple comes back but he may be on the bubble.

I expected nothing block buster and Ted post confirms that.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#346 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:56 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Okay, this is GOOD NEWS!

Ariza's contribution will really be important, either way.

I like what he brings as a player. He will be a good mentor by example and encouragement. That's if he remains into the season.

Trevor's contract is going to be very valuable if traded.

Hey, forget the Rice talk.... This is good. Nothing about Ariza opting in is bad.

Being a veteran doesn't make someone a good mentor. Ariza is a guy who sulks when things aren't going well and takes occasional games off - not the kind of person I'd want as a mentor.


Mentors mentor different things. They have personality, focus mentors. Wittman, other coaches, Beal, Webster, etc.

Trevor knows how to play D. He will be good competition in practice for Otto to go against and to watch.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#347 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:39 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Did this happen last season?

Nene misses a ton of games and is very inconsistent due to injury. Prior to being a Wizard he was also considered a bad teammate.

Ruzious, I thought both guys were very solid citizens and nothing but positive as Wizards last season. Seriously, did I miss something? By example I thought Ariza hustled and made great plays often.


CCJ, Ariza clearly didn't want to be here early on in the season and it showed in his attitude and effort when the Wizards had that awful start.

He came around when Wall came back, and he started to resemble an NBA player.


Okay.

(The thought I had reading this is I bet Vesely plays better with Wall, too.)
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#348 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:41 pm

hands11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Okay, this is GOOD NEWS!

Ariza's contribution will really be important, either way.

I like what he brings as a player. He will be a good mentor by example and encouragement. That's if he remains into the season.

Trevor's contract is going to be very valuable if traded.

Hey, forget the Rice talk.... This is good. Nothing about Ariza opting in is bad.

Being a veteran doesn't make someone a good mentor. Ariza is a guy who sulks when things aren't going well and takes occasional games off - not the kind of person I'd want as a mentor.


Mentors mentor different things. They have personality, focus mentors. Wittman, other coaches, Beal, Webster, etc.

Trevor knows how to play D. He will be good competition in practice for Otto to go against and to watch.


Having Trevor for a defensive role model and, hopefully, Webster hitting the corner three; is about as good as one could hope to mentor Otto into the league.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#349 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:46 pm

Free agents that might help:

PG: Nate Robinson, John Lucas III, CJ Watson
PF: DeJuan Blair, Brandan Wright

Rookie not drafted: Zeke Marshall
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#350 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:02 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1688 ... on-collins

NBA Rumors: Brooklyn Nets Interested in Signing Free Agent Center Jason Collins
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#351 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:10 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Free agents that might help:

PG: Nate Robinson, John Lucas III, CJ Watson
PF: DeJuan Blair, Brandan Wright

Rookie not drafted: Zeke Marshall


What would Nate cost. I wanted Pierre so NR would be nice instead.

Eastern conference vet experience behind Wall.
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Post#352 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:13 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Free agents that might help:

PG: Nate Robinson, John Lucas III, CJ Watson
PF: DeJuan Blair, Brandan Wright

Rookie not drafted: Zeke Marshall


Nate Robinson would be a great pick up for us. He is that 4th quarter guard that can help close out games. I really hope the Wizards spend some change and upgrade the back up PG and PF positions. We need a stretch 4 bad!
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#353 » by Dat2U » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:31 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Free agents that might help:

PG: Nate Robinson, John Lucas III, CJ Watson
PF: DeJuan Blair, Brandan Wright

Rookie not drafted: Zeke Marshall


Nate Robinson is the guy I want. Wanted him last year and really think he'd be a perfect fit this year. He's become the ideal 3rd guard IMO.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#354 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:11 pm

I like Nate Robinson the best, too, Dat.

PGs some might have mentioned already, who I left off the list earlier: Will Bynum, Beno Udrih, Jose Calderon

I think Bynum is about as good as Nate Robinson, maybe better. Same kind of instant offense and also a good enough playmaker. I like Calderon as a pure passer who makes the open shot, (but his defense is bad, bad, bad)..
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Post#355 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:28 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Free agents that might help:

PG: Nate Robinson, John Lucas III, CJ Watson
PF: DeJuan Blair, Brandan Wright

Rookie not drafted: Zeke Marshall


Nate Robinson would be a great pick up for us. He is that 4th quarter guard that can help close out games. I really hope the Wizards spend some change and upgrade the back up PG and PF positions. We need a stretch 4 bad!


We actually don't need a S4 bad. We have Trevor A and Otto.

But a good vet PG behind Wall would definitely change the composition of the team a lot.
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Post#356 » by JWizmentality » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:17 pm

Pick your poison with Nate, there are nights when you absolutely love him and other nights when you want to chuck and full keg at him to stop him from shooting.

I say hell no. Get an experienced vet.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#357 » by daSwami » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:22 pm

Kirilenko opted out. He'd be a nice pick up (everything that Vesely should've been), but wants a 3-4 year contract. I doubt we could afford him anyway, just pipe dreaming at this point.
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Post#358 » by keynote » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:15 am

Chris Duhon was waived. I suppose he's a backup option for a backup PG.
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Post#359 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:48 am

keynote wrote:Chris Duhon was waived. I suppose he's a backup option for a backup PG.


Is he an upgrade over AJ Price? No.
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Post#360 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:04 am

80sballboy wrote:
keynote wrote:Chris Duhon was waived. I suppose he's a backup option for a backup PG.


Is he an upgrade over AJ Price? No.



He'd be a good pickup as a vet 3rd pg on a min deal. Would be nice to have if Wall or Price get injured at some point.
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