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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#341 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:04 pm

Rafael122 wrote:The only way I would get involved in the Anthony trade saga is if we're the third team and pick up Redick from the Clippers.

Clippers get: Anthony
Knicks get: Crawford, Rivers, Nicholson
Wizards get: Redick

Redick immediately improves our bench and is on an expiring contract, so that gives us a little bit of breathing room when it comes to the offseason.

Clippers shed about $40 million in salary and get Anthony. Even with the trade kicker, they still save about $11 million.

New York gets rid of Anthony but they're still in quasi cap hell b/c they get no cap relief.

How in the hell did we get Redick for Nicholson?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#342 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:08 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:The only way I would get involved in the Anthony trade saga is if we're the third team and pick up Redick from the Clippers.

Clippers get: Anthony
Knicks get: Crawford, Rivers, Nicholson
Wizards get: Redick

Redick immediately improves our bench and is on an expiring contract, so that gives us a little bit of breathing room when it comes to the offseason.

Clippers shed about $40 million in salary and get Anthony. Even with the trade kicker, they still save about $11 million.

New York gets rid of Anthony but they're still in quasi cap hell b/c they get no cap relief.

How in the hell did we get Redick for Nicholson?

It'd take nothing short of Redick making a death threat to Austin in front of Doc Rivers.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#343 » by Rafael122 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:10 pm

nate33 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:The only way I would get involved in the Anthony trade saga is if we're the third team and pick up Redick from the Clippers.

Clippers get: Anthony
Knicks get: Crawford, Rivers, Nicholson
Wizards get: Redick

Redick immediately improves our bench and is on an expiring contract, so that gives us a little bit of breathing room when it comes to the offseason.

Clippers shed about $40 million in salary and get Anthony. Even with the trade kicker, they still save about $11 million.

New York gets rid of Anthony but they're still in quasi cap hell b/c they get no cap relief.

How in the hell did we get Redick for Nicholson?


Clippers desperate to go for it one last time before breaking up the team? This all depends on how desperate the Clippers are to try and win a ring before having to extend Paul and Griffin, if they do. If Doc doesn't want to trade his kid then Crawford and Redick are pretty much locks to be traded for Melo anyway. They have Felton to hold the fort down until Paul gets back.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#344 » by deneem4 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:38 pm

NatP4 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Il give Detroit Nicholson and 2017 1st for morris...
And la Lakers burke Thorton 2019 1st for lou...

I think this makes us complete and the a dangerous threat to Cleveland when Mahinmi comes back

OMG...


Don't read this Ernie. A 2017 first for Marcus Morris? Never.

We do need a good scoring guard that can handle the ball but also shoot 3s, but the only way you give up a 1st is if that player is under contract for awhile and super young with potential(Jamal Murray etc...) combo guards that play no defense and just chuck shots are useless in the playoffs by the way. Tyreke Evans over Lou Williams any day, but not for a 1st rounder probably.

Nicholson and Burke for B Knight straight up

Nicholson Burke and a 2nd for Tyreke rental

Nicholson Burke and a 1st for Jordan Clarkson

Nicholson and a 2nd for Alec Burks

Thornton and a 2nd for THJ

Nicholson Burke Smith and a 1st for Goran Dragic


Morris definitely worth a 1st...very cheap contract for the next 3 years...he's always healthy and can slot the 3 and the 4...

Between him his brother oubre and Porter we should be good for the next 3 years at 3-4...

You mention a 1st for Clarkson but not Lou even though they're the same type of player with Lou being wayyyyy better offensively as a shooter and playmaker and hes half as cheap...
he's older and his contract is up next year but considering our main window is this year and next that's what we need until sato and McLellan develops...


Our pick this year is looking like a late 1st with the way we're playing...we're out of the we might hit the lottery stage, we need to start using our assets to get us into legit contention...considering we honestly can't draft

Tyreke and thj is a rental who most likely will bolt in the offseason and we won't have cap to sign a replacement

Jazz are high on Burks,
Dragic contract is too much especially considering he's the player sato may become
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#345 » by jangles86 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:05 am

We're keen for Ibaka...

What do we give up?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#346 » by J-Ves » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:35 am

jangles86 wrote:We're keen for Ibaka...

What do we give up?

nothing, we can't keep him beyond this season
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#347 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:40 am

J-Ves wrote:
jangles86 wrote:We're keen for Ibaka...

What do we give up?

nothing, we can't keep him beyond this season


If you move Mahinmi and a pick for him, you can
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#348 » by J-Ves » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:43 am

NatP4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
jangles86 wrote:We're keen for Ibaka...

What do we give up?

nothing, we can't keep him beyond this season


If you move Mahinmi and a pick for him, you can

Orlando doesn't want Mahinmi. Plus even if we made that move Ibaka is an unrestricted free agent and can sign anywhere he wants in free agency. There would be too much risk in him leaving for nothing.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#349 » by Dat2U » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:09 am

J-Ves wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
J-Ves wrote:nothing, we can't keep him beyond this season


If you move Mahinmi and a pick for him, you can

Orlando doesn't want Mahinmi. Plus even if we made that move Ibaka is an unrestricted free agent and can sign anywhere he wants in free agency. There would be too much risk in him leaving for nothing.


I'd love to move Mahinmi, but until he passes a physical and proves he can play, he's an albatross that would cost multiple picks to dump. It's simply not worth it... especially if all were getting in return is an expiring.

Also Ibaka has shown a steady decline in performance and athleticism over the last 3 seasons. The rumors of him being much older than his listed age seem to be true. He peaked at 23-24. He's listed at 27. I wouldn't be surprised if he's between 32-34. I wouldn't want to be the team that gives him his next deal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#350 » by Meliorus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:11 am

Dat2U wrote:
J-Ves wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
If you move Mahinmi and a pick for him, you can

Orlando doesn't want Mahinmi. Plus even if we made that move Ibaka is an unrestricted free agent and can sign anywhere he wants in free agency. There would be too much risk in him leaving for nothing.


I'd love to move Mahinmi, but until he passes a physical and proves he can play, he's an albatross that would cost multiple picks to dump. It's simply not worth it... especially if all were getting in return is an expiring.

Also Ibaka has shown a steady decline in performance and athleticism over the last 3 seasons. The rumors of him being much older than his listed age seem to be true. He peaked at 23-24. He's listed at 27. I wouldn't be surprised if he's between 32-34. I wouldn't want to be the team that gives him his next deal.


Him and Biyombo man, those 2 are the "fake age brothers". Wouldn't touch either of them with a 10 foot pole.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#351 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:20 am

Meliorus wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
J-Ves wrote:Orlando doesn't want Mahinmi. Plus even if we made that move Ibaka is an unrestricted free agent and can sign anywhere he wants in free agency. There would be too much risk in him leaving for nothing.


I'd love to move Mahinmi, but until he passes a physical and proves he can play, he's an albatross that would cost multiple picks to dump. It's simply not worth it... especially if all were getting in return is an expiring.

Also Ibaka has shown a steady decline in performance and athleticism over the last 3 seasons. The rumors of him being much older than his listed age seem to be true. He peaked at 23-24. He's listed at 27. I wouldn't be surprised if he's between 32-34. I wouldn't want to be the team that gives him his next deal.


Him and Biyombo man, those 2 are the "fake age brothers". Wouldn't touch either of them with a 10 foot pole.


Yeah ibaka was 27 when he was with OKC lol. 4 blocks per game man. I'll take that ibaka though
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#352 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:12 am

Orlando would be looking to get a good deal for Ibaka to save face since they traded Oladipo away for him.

I'd stay away from that. A rental that I'd like to look at is Tyreke.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Post#353 » by deneem4 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:49 am

Ibaka isn't declining physically he's simply not being utilized the same...offensively and defensively
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Post#354 » by Sluggerface » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:52 am

I don't see what Washington has to offer Orlando in a deal. We can't afford Ibaka after this season, and every deal would involve Oubre. I'd stay away. Worried as hell Toronto is going to move in on this though, could put them over the hump.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#355 » by SizzlinSimms » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:09 am

Should we look at Seth Curry!?
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Post#356 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:57 am

payitforward wrote:OMG...

honestly Pif, why not, I mean not that way but, Nicholson and burke and a 2018 or 2019 pick for The other morris brother and Ish smith makes a lot of sense. Morris is on such a cheap deal and hes so much better than nicholson. and ish is a major upgrade on burke.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#357 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:40 am

Do Not Trade Anyone!!!

20-7 since December 5, equivalent to 60-21 pace.

Stop hating. Nicholson has a great post game and he can hit threes.Burke is filling in decently. Sato is going to blow up really soon. Smith is a very good role player.

This team is REAL GOOD!

Mahinmi might eventually play before March.

This COULD BE the second best team in the east. One Lebron injury away from NBA Finals this damn season.

It is what it is .... A new day. This team arrived and is ...IMPROVING!

I like McClellan, Ochefu, and House, too.

Keep THIS CHEMISTRY/ENERGY together.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#358 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:30 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Do Not Trade Anyone!!!

20-7 since December 5, equivalent to 60-21 pace.

Stop hating. Nicholson has a great post game and he can hit threes.Burke is filling in decently. Sato is going to blow up really soon. Smith is a very good role player.

This team is REAL GOOD!

Mahinmi might eventually play before March.

This COULD BE the second best team in the east. One Lebron injury away from NBA Finals this damn season.

It is what it is .... A new day. This team arrived and is ...IMPROVING!

I like McClellan, Ochefu, and House, too.

Keep THIS CHEMISTRY/ENERGY together.

Agreed. Unless someone comes along and asks to take Nicholson or Mahinmi off our hands for nothing.
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Post#359 » by Dark Faze » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:57 pm

Nah we gotta make a trade--this is exactly the time to do it. This sample size isn't big enough to let the deadline go by and end up stuck with what you've got.

I'd trade next years pick or this years pick (heavily protected enough for us to keep it) for some strong bench pieces.

Trade checker works out for a deal with two of the three of our bench acquisitions (Burke/Smith/Nicholson, take your pick) for Nick Young and Lou Williams of the Lakers. We could go from the worst bench to one of the best benches in the league. Sato/Lou/Young/Mahinmi bench core, assuming Mahinmi gets back. I'd suggest leaving Smith out of the deal in case Mahinmi can't get back. Might also have some interest in Thomas Robinson as well.

Would the Lakers accept? I think they'd have to. I don't think they'd love it, as both guys are great bench pieces, but they really can't afford to lose their pick this year. Accepting this deal really improves their chances of keeping their pick plus they get to add another first to their group of assets.

For us--if Mahinmi can get back, I think we'd beat anyone but the Cavs in the playoffs in the east, and even steal two games from them, maybe even have a punchers chance at beating the cavs in the ECF.

If we stay as we are--we could easily lose to anyone we face in the first round.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#360 » by Dat2U » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:29 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Do Not Trade Anyone!!!

20-7 since December 5, equivalent to 60-21 pace.

Stop hating. Nicholson has a great post game and he can hit threes.Burke is filling in decently. Sato is going to blow up really soon. Smith is a very good role player.

This team is REAL GOOD!

Mahinmi might eventually play before March.

This COULD BE the second best team in the east. One Lebron injury away from NBA Finals this damn season.

It is what it is .... A new day. This team arrived and is ...IMPROVING!

I like McClellan, Ochefu, and House, too.

Keep THIS CHEMISTRY/ENERGY together.


Nicholson is hot buttered trash. He's literally the slowest non-center in the league. A 6-9 235 guy with a post game is a dinosaur in today's NBA. Unfortunately I think were stuck with him for now because I'd hate to use a 1st to get rid of him.

Ochefu & House don't belong on an NBA roster. You can like them all you want, it doesn't make them valuable or any good.

We have 6 legitimate rotation players at the moment and 3 guys playing like all-stars or near all-stars. That's why were having the success were having. It would be nice to get them some help but I don't want to throw away 1st round picks like candy either.

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