Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[jayu70]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

[dangermouse]

I'd take all 3!

We'd really only have our first rounder to offer. Is that enough?

Depending on injuries and play, I'd be all over Gortat, Smith, 2018 1st for that package.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

I agree with dangermouse. I'll take all three of those guys. Take back Mahinmi and cut a couple of other guys from our roster. Or take back something else.



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[queridiculo]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

That's sort of where I was with my season expectations. I could see Washington make an early run at the top spot in the east while Cleveland and the Celtics sort through some chemistry issues to start things off.

Obvious weak spot of this roster is the PF position and there's been a general consensus around here for quite some time that Ilyasova would be a great fit.

Given the news on Morris and the fact that there's a chance he might get a suspension for misconduct I'm half expecting Grunfeld to ship out a first rounder pronto.

The Hawks are in obvious rebuilding mode so I'm not sure whether they'd be willing to take on Mahinmi's contract but here's what I've got.

Was: Mahinmi, Satoransky, 2018 1st.
Atl: Dedmon, Ilyasova, Belinelli

[jayu70]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

That's sort of where I was with my season expectations. I could see Washington make an early run at the top spot in the east while Cleveland and the Celtics sort through some chemistry issues to start things off.

Obvious weak spot of this roster is the PF position and there's been a general consensus around here for quite some time that Ilyasova would be a great fit.

Given the news on Morris and the fact that there's a chance he might get a suspension for misconduct I'm half expecting Grunfeld to ship out a first rounder pronto.

The Hawks are in obvious rebuilding mode so I'm not sure whether they'd be willing to take on Mahinmi's contract but here's what I've got.

Was: Mahinmi, Satoransky, 2018 1st.
Atl: Dedmon, Ilyasova, Belinelli

I don't see hiw the Wiz get all 3 and don't see Atlanta trading all 3 together.
Atlanta is rebuilding but I don't see them taking on 3 years of an oft injured Mahinmi at $16 mil for a 2018 1st while giving up productive players, particularly when they have Bazemore at $16/$17/$19 mil and Plumlee at $12 mil for the next 3 years also. That is too much bad money for 3 years for those 3 players.
I think Atlanta would prefer to rent their capspace on short term contracts.
Mahinmi alone may cost you a 1st to dump his contract. (See Demarre Carroll trade).

The trade would be:
Mahinmi (16) Satoransky, 2018 1st for Plumlee (12) and Illyasova or something like that. Wiz save $4 mil from Mahinmi plus Illyasova is a 1 year deal.

Seems Hawks/Wiz aren't good trade partners.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

That's sort of where I was with my season expectations. I could see Washington make an early run at the top spot in the east while Cleveland and the Celtics sort through some chemistry issues to start things off.

Obvious weak spot of this roster is the PF position and there's been a general consensus around here for quite some time that Ilyasova would be a great fit.

Given the news on Morris and the fact that there's a chance he might get a suspension for misconduct I'm half expecting Grunfeld to ship out a first rounder pronto.

The Hawks are in obvious rebuilding mode so I'm not sure whether they'd be willing to take on Mahinmi's contract but here's what I've got.

Was: Mahinmi, Satoransky, 2018 1st.
Atl: Dedmon, Ilyasova, Belinelli

Oh, God, that's horrible trade.

One that Ernie very well might make.

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[Ruzious]

Hawks fan here:
I think you guys have a shot to be the team to meet the Cavs in the ECF. Boston has too much roster turnover and will depend on young guys taking a big step up. I think they've lost the swagger and toughness that made them them. Not just IT, but more so Crowder and especially Avery Bradley.
Your roster continuity with Wall, Beal and Porter is big - you throw in Gortat with those young guys and I think you guys could be special.
What are your weak spots? I think your bench can use a few upgrades to push you over the top.
At the trade deadline, I think the Hawks will be in a position to move one or all of some combination of Marco Belinelli (SG), Ersan Illyason (PF) and Dwyane Dedmon (C) - which player would fill your greatest need? What can you offer the Hawks for these players?

That's sort of where I was with my season expectations. I could see Washington make an early run at the top spot in the east while Cleveland and the Celtics sort through some chemistry issues to start things off.

Obvious weak spot of this roster is the PF position and there's been a general consensus around here for quite some time that Ilyasova would be a great fit.

Given the news on Morris and the fact that there's a chance he might get a suspension for misconduct I'm half expecting Grunfeld to ship out a first rounder pronto.

The Hawks are in obvious rebuilding mode so I'm not sure whether they'd be willing to take on Mahinmi's contract but here's what I've got.

Was: Mahinmi, Satoransky, 2018 1st.
Atl: Dedmon, Ilyasova, Belinelli

I don't see hiw the Wiz get all 3 and don't see Atlanta trading all 3 together.
Atlanta is rebuilding but I don't see them taking on 3 years of an oft injured Mahinmi at $16 mil for a 2018 1st while giving up productive players, particularly when they have Bazemore at $16/$17/$19 mil and Plumlee at $12 mil for the next 3 years also. That is too much bad money for 3 years for those 3 players.
I think Atlanta would prefer to rent their capspace on short term contracts.
Mahinmi alone may cost you a 1st to dump his contract. (See Demarre Carroll trade).

The trade would be:
Mahinmi (16) Satoransky, 2018 1st for Plumlee (12) and Illyasova or something like that. Wiz save $4 mil from Mahinmi plus Illyasova is a 1 year deal.

Seems Hawks/Wiz aren't good trade partners.

That's all well and good, but at least Mahinmi can play; that Plumlee can't - and how he got that contract is one of the mysteries of the universe. Maybe Milwaukee thought he was the long lost 4th Plumlee - Mumlee Plumlee. Even Ernie Grunfeld wouldn't be stupid enough to include a 1st rounder there.

[Jimmy Recard]

Giving up a 1st for below average vets with no upside like Dedmon, Ilyasova and Beli just to unload Mahinmi's contract would be classic Ernie. Idiot gave up the 5th overall pick to rent Mike Miller and Randy Foye for one season...so I wouldn't put a deal like that past him.

[gambitx777]

SO, super busy new job new house ill try to be around more often, has anyone been stepping up as crazy optimistic guy number one?

[payitforward]

The Hawks are in obvious rebuilding mode so I'm not sure whether they'd be willing to take on Mahinmi's contract but here's what I've got.

Was: Mahinmi, Satoransky, 2018 1st.
Atl: Dedmon, Ilyasova, Belinelli

Oh, God, that's horrible trade.

One that Ernie very well might make.

Right, it's awful. For a few reasons.

We CANNOT trade away any more R1 picks.

We don't need/want Belinelli. He's also expiring; he'd be a rental -- think Bogdanovic only worse.

I wanted Ilyasova 5 years ago, when he was entering his peak. He's not good any more. & he too is expiring.

Dedmon, otoh, I'd love to have -- he'd solve a lot of problems for us. But not in this deal. I.e. not trading away yet another pick.

Queridiculo, this time you whiffed, I fear!

Yet, I can see where you are heading. It's a way to dump Mahinmi, which is a plus (if we get Dedmon, of course). So... if they'd do Mahinmi straight up for those 3 guys, then I'd do it happily. We'd keep Dedmon & waive the other guys. It's salary neutral.

But, I'm not sure that Mahinmi would be an appealing target for them right now. Why would they need him? They are rebuilding.

[payitforward]

Giving up a 1st for below average vets with no upside like Dedmon, Ilyasova and Beli just to unload Mahinmi's contract would be classic Ernie. Idiot gave up the 5th overall pick to rent Mike Miller and Randy Foye for one season...so I wouldn't put a deal like that past him.

Agree -- but I do want to point out that Dedmon is by no means a "below average vet." He is a terrific player -- not a scorer but outstanding in every other way. The guy he is most like is... Ian Mahinmi! Except that he's better, he costs a lot less, & he's 2.5 years younger!

But... no, no, no -- no more R1 picks traded away! Agree totally.

[payitforward]

SO, super busy new job new house ill try to be around more often, has anyone been stepping up as crazy optimistic guy number one?

I'm changing my win-loss prediction gamby. We're going to win 83 games this year.

Our record will be 83 & -1. No one's ever done it, they say it's impossible. Well I say go for it!!

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Giving up a 1st for below average vets with no upside like Dedmon, Ilyasova and Beli just to unload Mahinmi's contract would be classic Ernie. Idiot gave up the 5th overall pick to rent Mike Miller and Randy Foye for one season...so I wouldn't put a deal like that past him.

Don't even get me started...

All you have to do is use the search function to see how I responded to Ernie Grunfeld when he made that stupid ass Randy Foye Mike Miller trade.

AARGHH!

Dumbest effing thing in the world.

Steph Curry alone was better than Randy for and even Ray Charles can see that. I'm talking Steph Curry at Davidson before he even got to the NBA.

And to have Mike Miller and Randy Foye both on expiring contracts??? And this f****** moron gives up a first-round pick?

Man... I'm a Christian but come on man.






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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

SO, super busy new job new house ill try to be around more often, has anyone been stepping up as crazy optimistic guy number one?

Being that I'm diagnosed bipolar, I usually got crazy cornered. That's my wheelhouse....

Gambit I don't know I'm not feeling optimistic at all. Perhaps that's a good thing...

I'm thinking 47 wins give or take two or three....

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

SO, super busy new job new house ill try to be around more often, has anyone been stepping up as crazy optimistic guy number one?

I'm changing my win-loss prediction gamby. We're going to win 83 games this year.

Our record will be 83 & -1. No one's ever done it, they say it's impossible. Well I say go for it!!

I like the 83 wins prediction.

Set it at 11 all year long.

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[Ruzious]

Giving up a 1st for below average vets with no upside like Dedmon, Ilyasova and Beli just to unload Mahinmi's contract would be classic Ernie. Idiot gave up the 5th overall pick to rent Mike Miller and Randy Foye for one season...so I wouldn't put a deal like that past him.

Agree -- but I do want to point out that Dedmon is by no means a "below average vet." He is a terrific player -- not a scorer but outstanding in every other way. The guy he is most like is... Ian Mahinmi! Except that he's better, he costs a lot less, & he's 2.5 years younger!

But... no, no, no -- no more R1 picks traded away! Agree totally.

The one thing I gotta criticise San Antonio for when they signed Dedmon last offseason is that they gave him an opt out for the second year - instead of paying him more (but maybe they had cap restrictions?). They signed him to a 2 year contract at I think 3 mil a year (with the opt out) and the Wiz signed Mahinmi to a 4 year contract at 16 mil a year. Basically the same player - and as you said, if anything, Dedmon had more value. Grunfelded. And as he's done with almost all of these terrible signings - he rushed to do it. As soon as he lost out on Horford, it was done in basically 5 seconds - like he needed to do it before his dinner got cold.

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