Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

Trump's base is a solid 40% of the voting electorate. It's not a majority but it's too large to ignore and is showing no signs of dwindling.

They can totally be ignored. Winning over Trump voters is not at all necessary for democrats to win elections.

That's a poor strategy. Democrats should undoubtedly attract [poor] Trump voters with a viable economic message.

Proof? Look at Bernie Sanders' townhall in West Virginia:

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A real economic message appeals to ALL citizens.

It's not a strategy, though. It's a fact. The democrats do not necessarily need to win over Trump voters to win elections. They need turnout.

It's true that having a strong and clear economic message is a winning strategy, but people have massively overreacted to the 2016 election. If the Dems simply run a non-Hillary candidate, they'll be fine.

The big issue going forward is gerrymandering and voter suppression, not messaging.

[Wizardspride]

SD20, a question:

In your mind it seems to be a foregone conclusion that people will eventually flock to Trump. Perhaps....but what if that doesn't happen?

What happens then?

[Zonkerbl]

Trump's base is a solid 40% of the voting electorate. It's not a majority but it's too large to ignore and is showing no signs of dwindling.

They can totally be ignored. Winning over Trump voters is not at all necessary for democrats to win elections.

That's a poor strategy. Democrats should undoubtedly attract [poor] Trump voters with a viable economic message.

Proof? Look at Bernie Sanders' townhall in West Virginia:

Watch on YouTube

A real economic message appeals to ALL citizens.

I think the most terrifying thing of the last year is how invulnerable Trump's support is, no matter what idiotic thing he says or does. 40% of our voting electorate is basically SD20.

I don't think either option works (ignoring or pandering). You can only appeal to them by lying ("I'll get you your coal jobs back!"). But if you ignore them they get all mad at you and have a tantrum and elect a toddler as president.

I think Democracy is dead and Breitbart/Trump have destroyed it.

[dobrojim]

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Seems to me like this is a familiar tactic. Threaten to sue in order to intimidate
and to create or maintain a narrative that you're a tough guy. But in fact, don't sue since
if you did, you would have to endure discovery which would be quite painful in many cases.

[JWizmentality]

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Seems to me like this is a familiar tactic. Threaten to sue in order to intimidate
and to create or maintain a narrative that you're a tough guy. But in fact, don't sue since
if you did, you would have to endure discovery which would be quite painful in many cases.

Exactly!!

[JWizmentality]

They can totally be ignored. Winning over Trump voters is not at all necessary for democrats to win elections.

That's a poor strategy. Democrats should undoubtedly attract [poor] Trump voters with a viable economic message.

Proof? Look at Bernie Sanders' townhall in West Virginia:

Watch on YouTube

A real economic message appeals to ALL citizens.

I think the most terrifying thing of the last year is how invulnerable Trump's support is, nobody what idiotic thing he says or does. 40% of our voting electorate is basically SD20.

I don't think either option works (ignoring or pandering). You can only appeal to them by lying ("I'll get you your coal jobs back!"). But if you ignore them they get all mad at you and have a tantrum and elect a toddler as president.

I think Democracy is dead and Breitbart/Trump have destroyed it.

Let that sink in for a sec. No seriously. Marinate on it.

[Wizardspride]

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Seems to me like this is a familiar tactic. Threaten to sue in order to intimidate
and to create or maintain a narrative that you're a tough guy. But in fact, don't sue since
if you did, you would have to endure discovery which would be quite painful in many cases.

Yep.

That's Trump's pattern.

[TGW]

That's a poor strategy. Democrats should undoubtedly attract [poor] Trump voters with a viable economic message.

Proof? Look at Bernie Sanders' townhall in West Virginia:

Watch on YouTube

A real economic message appeals to ALL citizens.

I think the most terrifying thing of the last year is how invulnerable Trump's support is, nobody what idiotic thing he says or does. 40% of our voting electorate is basically SD20.

I don't think either option works (ignoring or pandering). You can only appeal to them by lying ("I'll get you your coal jobs back!"). But if you ignore them they get all mad at you and have a tantrum and elect a toddler as president.

I think Democracy is dead and Breitbart/Trump have destroyed it.

Let that sink in for a sec. No seriously. Marinate on it.

I don't think that's true at all...like 20% of this country is SD20, pcbothwel, and nate. If that were the case, we'd have more of "them" posting here than the 3 out of 20 people who post in this thread.

I think many of Trump's base are just people who hold conservative values. That's it. They vote for the R every time because the Democrats' message doesn't appeal to them.

[Zonkerbl]

I think the most terrifying thing of the last year is how invulnerable Trump's support is, nobody what idiotic thing he says or does. 40% of our voting electorate is basically SD20.

I don't think either option works (ignoring or pandering). You can only appeal to them by lying ("I'll get you your coal jobs back!"). But if you ignore them they get all mad at you and have a tantrum and elect a toddler as president.

I think Democracy is dead and Breitbart/Trump have destroyed it.

Let that sink in for a sec. No seriously. Marinate on it.

I don't think that's true at all...like 20% of this country is SD20, pcbothwel, and nate. If that were the case, we'd have more of "them" posting here than the 3 out of 20 people who post in this thread.

I think many of Trump's base are just people who hold conservative values. That's it. They vote for the R every time because the Democrats' message doesn't appeal to them.

Erm... 20% of 20 is 4. So statistically speaking we are right in the sweet spot on this board. And I don't think there are 20 regular posters in this thread, it's more like a dozen or so.

[gtn130]

Yeah, 40% of the country is not SD20 levels of crazy and detached from reality. Most people aren't that engaged politically and half the country doesn't even vote. It takes a special type of person to be actively and enthusiastically engaged in politics and also massively misinformed.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't think that's true at all...like 20% of this country is SD20, pcbothwel, and nate. If that were the case, we'd have more of "them" posting here than the 3 out of 20 people who post in this thread.

I don't think you understand just how segregated things are on the internet. I mean, a lot depends on definitions here, but there is a dramatic separation between both sides pretty much everywhere. There is almost no crossover on twitter, for instance, except for one side to mock the other. It's depressingly fascinating.

[dckingsfan]

Bill gave Hillary the advice to go to the middle for the election - she didn't heed his advice. One could now say you should appeal to your base and pull in the independents to win.

[stilldropin20]

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[verbal8]

I think part of Trump's remaining approval is from people who feel it is patriotic to support the President.

While he has a die-hard base his popularity is historically low for a president. The Dems could nominate a Cheeseburger in 2020 and win. Assuming Trump doesn't eat the cheeseburger, or it has an email scandal.

[closg00]

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Tucker blubbering away, he doesn't speak for voters

[stilldropin20]

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[stilldropin20]

I tol' y'all sum 6 munths ago. Strap in!!!

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