Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[NatP4]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Why would we do that though? That’s a ridiculous package for a 1 year rental.

[Rafael122]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Why would we do that though? That’s a ridiculous package for a 1 year rental.

I just threw it out there to see if it makes sense. I don't think the final deal will be that since we are giving up a ton, but you have to take that gamble like OKC did with George. If Leonard stays on, you got a really strong core 3 that rivals Philly and Boston (probably better than Boston).

[payitforward]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Things are difficult enough already. What's the point of making them worse? Do you imagine the roster you list is going to contend for a title this year? No, not exactly.

Then next year we'd start with Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Brown & Sato (whom I'm assuming we'd have re-signed). We'd have no draft picks.

[Rafael122]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Things are difficult enough already. What's the point of making them worse? Do you imagine the roster you list is going to contend for a title this year? No, not exactly.

Then next year we'd start with Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Brown & Sato (whom I'm assuming we'd have re-signed). We'd have no draft picks.

But you're not gonna get Leonard without at least one pick in there. Lowe suggested a Toronto package of DDR/OG/future 1st and I forgot what else. That's probably a baseline, established star/young wing/pick.

[deneem4]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Why would we do that though? That’s a ridiculous package for a 1 year rental.

Even if kwahi resigns his max would put us in real salary cap hell

[Illmatic12]

Lowe in his latest article seems to suggest we wouldn't do Beal for Leonard, but Porter/Oubre/picks might get the convo started. I fail to understand why we're never mentioned in potential trades for a superstar like this. We're probably one of maybe 5 teams that can do something.

Porter/Oubre/2019 1st rounder/2021 pick swap (hedging should Kawhi decide to leave we're left with nothing in 2020)/Meeks for Danny Green and Leonard

PG - Wall/Sato
SG - Beal/Rivers/Green
SF - Leonard/Brown
PF - Morris/Smith
C - Howard/Mahinmi/Bryant

Why would we do that though? That’s a ridiculous package for a 1 year rental.

Even if kwahi resigns his max would put us in real salary cap hell

We’re gonna be in salary cap hell regardless. This move would simply be swapping Otto + Oubre’s future salary for Leonard’s future salary, which is a no brainer.

If Kawhi would re-sign then obviously you put Beal on the table, or Porter/Oubre/picks if they’d take that. But chances are SAS is looking for some future lotto picks to be included, which we can’t really offer.

[NatP4]

Rather keep RFA Oubre+Otto+draft picks than have 1 year of Kawhi+uncertainty of UFA

[trast66]

Rather keep RFA Oubre+Otto+draft picks than have 1 year of Kawhi+uncertainty of UFA

I’d lean that way as well, but I’m more dubious than most on why want Kawhi at all due to whatever is happening between him and spurs.

[NatP4]

I’d do Oubre+Brown+2019 1st in a heartbeat, especially with our improved depth.

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Kawhi Green
Otto Morris
Howard Mahinmi

[pcbothwel]

I’d do Oubre+Brown+2019 1st in a heartbeat, especially with our improved depth.

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Kawhi Green
Otto Morris
Howard Mahinmi

Ummm, were are taking on 30M and sending out about 5M

[NatP4]

I’d do Oubre+Brown+2019 1st in a heartbeat, especially with our improved depth.

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Kawhi Green
Otto Morris
Howard Mahinmi

Ummm, were are taking on 30M and sending out about 5M

Kawhi makes 20 million. Smith+Meeks+Morris or Rivers I guess for filler.

[pcbothwel]

I’d do Oubre+Brown+2019 1st in a heartbeat, especially with our improved depth.

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Kawhi Green
Otto Morris
Howard Mahinmi

Ummm, were are taking on 30M and sending out about 5M

Kawhi makes 20 million. Smith+Meeks+Morris or Rivers I guess for filler.

I thought Green meant Danny Green. Gotcha
I would certainly consider that trade under the assumption that if we fell short and/or didnt resign Kawhi, then I would have a firesale.

[payitforward]

I just threw it out there to see if it makes sense. I don't think the final deal will be that since we are giving up a ton, but you have to take that gamble like OKC did with George. If Leonard stays on, you got a really strong core 3 that rivals Philly and Boston (probably better than Boston).

Well, Leonard's better than Porter, so in that sense sure. But, overall I don't think it would work out that way.

For one thing, that "core" would be 3 players. & Leonard would have to re-sign while having no idea how the team would be completed. I can't see any reason whatever that would encourage his doing that.

After all, if he re-signed ($35m? Can we even pay him?), then something North of $135m would be tied up in contracts for him, Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Sato & Brown. Would he look at that & assume there'd be a way to fill out the roster at a contender level? Hard to imagine. Even in the East.

Yet, at 28 both Wall & Leonard would be going into the last 2-3 years of their peak. It would have to happen right away.

As to "have to take that gamble," I'm not sure exactly what OKC got for that gamble? Right now OKC's salary load for 12 guys this year is @$145m. For the same team that just lost to Utah in 6 games in R1 of the playoffs? 6 of those 12 guys are Dakari Johnson, Alex Abrines, Terrance Ferguson, Patrick Patterson, Kyle Singler & Raymond Felton.

In fact, Indiana got better -- not worse but better -- by trading Paul George for Oladipo & Sabonis. Doesn't that tell us something?

[NatP4]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

[youngWizzy]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

I would love this. Holmes just plays with ridiculous energy and would be someone the team needs. He was a big part of the sixers' success when Embiid went out at the end of the regular season. Incredibly fluid athlete.

[NatP4]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

I would love this. Holmes just plays with ridiculous energy and would be someone the team needs. He was a big part of the sixers' success when Embiid went out at the end of the regular season. Incredibly fluid athlete.

True small ball 5 option and we could buy low on his extension.

Advanced numbers are very good. I believe he will be a RFA(essential), don’t quote me.

[pcbothwel]

Jodie Meeks+2019 2nd round pick for Richaun Holmes

I would love this. Holmes just plays with ridiculous energy and would be someone the team needs. He was a big part of the sixers' success when Embiid went out at the end of the regular season. Incredibly fluid athlete.

True small ball 5 option and we could buy low on his extension.

Advanced numbers are very good. I believe he will be a RFA(essential), don’t quote me.

UFA...

[NatP4]

Never mind that idea. Philly really declined his option?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Butler for Beal in a NY minute. Please god I don't ask for much!!

Only with an extension. Beal is essentially 4 years younger, too.

Beal for an extended Butler?

Of course.

Butler tore his meniscus and got it snipped out, came back in 6 weeks

Plus he's 4 years older

Hmm

I am actually rooting for guys like Bradley Beal to get traded because I remember what it did for Rip Hamilton to be traded.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Reportedly, the Lakers are wanting to build around LBJ with tough players. LBJ sees the evolving of Kobe and Magic's game such that they became more post players later in their career, and he believes his game needs to evolve and that can bring more of a power game to the post. Given LBJ's size, power, and skill set, there's no doubt about that. That said, the Lakers want to build a team of facilitators who can also play perimeter defense. I cant think of a better role for Wall! Wall would excel in that role, as he is a good 1 v 1 defender on the perimeter, and he is a great facilitator. With the Spurs asking for the sky (Kuzma + Ingram + two #1's + swap of picks + more) in a trade for Leonard, and the Lakers more than content to wait it out (sign him next year, if they cant trade), I think Wall is the best target for the Lakers. Looking at the Wizards, there is no way that the team is going to be achieving greater goals than last years team. That means an early exit in the playoffs, at best. I dont think this is going to be looked at a successful season by Wall. He will want to be traded, because his chances to win an NBA championship are lessening as the years go. This is probably the best time for the Wizards to trade Wall, and get something good in return. I think Wall can be traded after Jul 26th (correct me if I am wrong), and that gives the Lakers some time to explore the options before they make a push for him. I can still see Wall + Morris + #1 for Ingram + Kuzma + Deng. Works in the trade checker, FWIW. Wizards could get younger and solidify the backup PF/SF position, and get a starting PG in return. The Wizards can work on drafting a C next year. Retool, and restart...

I totally agree that by Christmas time John Wall to the Lakers will be looking more more possible. What I believe however is that right now would be a time where the Wizards get better market value.

Washington is going to wait until John Wall demands trade and then they're not going to get nearly as good of an offer

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