Political Roundtable Part XXV

[gtn130]

I’m a Bernie supporter and think TGW is laughably wrong about everything fyi

[TGW]

The only other options I'm even considering is Warren, Gabbard, and Yang. Everyone else is can KMA.

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KMA.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

And there you have it... my way or no way - and that is the Bernie way as well. I am not a Democrat unless I need you to help me get reelected. I am not going to help anyone in your party - but you are going to work for me.

Sadly, I would vote for Bernie to not have Trump. But knowing who his supporters are - yuck.

Stop lying. You wouldn't vote for Sanders under any circumstances...you're an ideologue who only believes in slashing and burning the government. You blamed racism on government bureaucracy

Get out of here.

[gtn130]

Hey Deplorables, any particular reason you guys need Jared Kushner specifically to be working in the White House? Why is he the point man for foreign policy? Why is he good for the country?

[nate33]

Hey Deplorables, any particular reason you guys need Jared Kushner specifically to be working in the White House? Why is he the point man for foreign policy? Why is he good for the country?

Frankly, I'd be ecstatic if Jared Kushner was gone yesterday. I didn't vote for him. His politics are significantly different than Trump's or Trump's base. He's only around because Trump can't say no to his daughter. I was happy when Trump assigned him to deal with Israeli policy so that he would get his nose out of domestic affairs, but unfortunately, he's still around "advising" Trump far too often.

[dckingsfan]

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KMA.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

And there you have it... my way or no way - and that is the Bernie way as well. I am not a Democrat unless I need you to help me get reelected. I am not going to help anyone in your party - but you are going to work for me.

Sadly, I would vote for Bernie to not have Trump. But knowing who his supporters are - yuck.

Stop lying. You wouldn't vote for Sanders under any circumstances...you're an ideologue who only believes in slashing and burning the government. You blamed racism on government bureaucracy

Get out of here.

Is that a microaggression - hehehe - it is the truth. I am a diehard #nevertrumper. I will work hard during the primaries to make sure Bernie doesn't get the nomination. But when it comes to the general - I am voting against Trump.

And one thing that you clearly don't understand and haven't followed - I am not for "slashing and burning" government. This is just not true and none of my posts have ever slanted that way. You are completely misrepresenting my positions. I am for sustainable government - maximizing receipts, optimizing social services and keeping our outlays within our receipts (or close).

And I'm not going anywhere

[pancakes3]

it takes a special breed of self-loathing to say that trump scaremongering doesn't move the needle bc the DNC is anathema to your liberal values.

[Wizardspride]

The only other options I'm even considering is Warren, Gabbard, and Yang. Everyone else is can KMA.

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KMA.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

And there you have it... my way or no way - and that is the Bernie way as well. I am not a Democrat unless I need you to help me get reelected. I am not going to help anyone in your party - but you are going to work for me.

Personally, I wasn't a HRC fan but looking at it objectively I can see why the DNC would favor her over Bernie.

You have a former democratic first lady, NY senator, SecState etc vs a senator who while cacausing with the Dems, has gone out of his way to distance himself from the party.

Heck, he called for a popular sitting president (Barack Obama) to be primaried.

Admitted he only became a Dem in order to use the party resources etc.

Heck the person who really got screwed by the DNC imo, was Martin O'Malley, an actual lifelong Democrat.

[Ruzious]

The only other options I'm even considering is Warren, Gabbard, and Yang. Everyone else is can KMA.

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as the he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KM.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

The Trump scaremongering doesn't work on me anymore. If the Democrats don't change their corrupt practices, and stop being Republican-lite, they can continue losing.

Seriously, this is one the guys you expect me to vote for?

Read on Twitter

or this?

Read on Twitter

Nope. I'm good.

You're saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump because Biden called Pence a decent guy...

[dckingsfan]

You're saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump because Biden called Pence a decent guy...

Ouch - side hurting...

[Pointgod]

I’m a Bernie supporter and think TGW is laughably wrong about everything fyi

As a Bernie supporter how many other supporters do you run across that are Bernie bros? I know the narrative is supposed to be exaggerated but holy ****, TGW is the perfect example of the toxic Bernie bro mentality. Just wondering how many there are in your experience.

[TGW]

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as the he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KM.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

The Trump scaremongering doesn't work on me anymore. If the Democrats don't change their corrupt practices, and stop being Republican-lite, they can continue losing.

Seriously, this is one the guys you expect me to vote for?

Read on Twitter

or this?

Read on Twitter

Nope. I'm good.

You're saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump because Biden called Pence a decent guy...

Yea, that's the sole reason why I wouldn't vote for Biden...

[TGW]

So in a matter of a month, two local democrats have shown how racist the Democratic Party is. One taking pictures in blackface with his friend dressed in a KKK costume; the other calling Prince Georges County, the county I live in and was raised in, a ni@@er district. The Democrats are actually trying to defend Northram.

Disgusting. And I'm expected to vote for Biden, who fought to uphold separate but equal policies? Yea, ok.

[Ruzious]

The Trump scaremongering doesn't work on me anymore. If the Democrats don't change their corrupt practices, and stop being Republican-lite, they can continue losing.

Seriously, this is one the guys you expect me to vote for?

Read on Twitter

or this?

Read on Twitter

Nope. I'm good.

You're saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump because Biden called Pence a decent guy...

Yea, that's the sole reason why I wouldn't vote for Biden...

Um... I didn't say sole, and you'e the one who made that post implying it was your #1 reason.

[Pointgod]

At first I thought to myself "TGW is just pissed because he believes the DNC favored HRC, but as long as he perceives the competition as fair he'll get on board with the eventual nominee".

Clearly I was wrong. You're a "If I don't get exactly what I want I'm willing to let it all burn" person.

Sorry man, but anyone thinking like that can KMA.

No way I'll risk this misogynistic, bigoted, TRAITOR getting reelected.

No Way...

And there you have it... my way or no way - and that is the Bernie way as well. I am not a Democrat unless I need you to help me get reelected. I am not going to help anyone in your party - but you are going to work for me.

Personally, I wasn't a HRC fan but looking at it objectively I can see why the DNC would favor her over Bernie.

You have a former democratic first lady, NY senator, SecState etc vs a senator who while cacausing with the Dems, has gone out of his way to distance himself from the party.

Heck, he called for a popular sitting president (Barack Obama) to be primaried.

Admitted he only became a Dem in order to use the party resources etc.

Heck the person who really got screwed by the DNC imo, was Martin O'Malley, an actual lifelong Democrat.

First Bernie didn’t get screwed, that narrative needs to die. And the more you look at it, it’s less the DNC is some evil , corrupt organization and they backed who they believed was the clear favourite (lets be honest Bernie would have been destroyed in the general). I wouldn’t blame the DNC for not being enthusiastic at the relatively unknown politician who doesn’t identify as a Democrat and refused to fund raise for down ballot races. It’s not that hard to understand if you think about it logically from the whole Democratic Party perspective vs one person. And this is the problem with Bernie running, his cult of personality is too much and can become toxic.

[Pointgod]

So in a matter of a month, two local democrats have shown how racist the Democratic Party is. One taking pictures in blackface with his friend dressed in a KKK costume; the other calling Prince Georges County, the county I live in and was raised in, a ni@@er district. The Democrats are actually trying to defend Northram.

Disgusting. And I'm expected to vote for Biden, who fought to uphold separate but equal policies? Yea, ok.

You know who’s on the otherside of any Democratic candidate right?

[gtn130]

I’m a Bernie supporter and think TGW is laughably wrong about everything fyi

As a Bernie supporter how many other supporters do you run across that are Bernie bros? I know the narrative is supposed to be exaggerated but holy ****, TGW is the perfect example of the toxic Bernie bro mentality. Just wondering how many there are in your experience.

I know plenty of people in real life who voted Bernie then Hillary and weren’t losing their minds over Bernie being robbed and how much Hillary sucks. You have to be pretty irrational to think that because centrist Democrats aren’t authentically progressive they’re somehow the same thing as Trump. It’s absurd.

I have encountered a huge number of people like TGW *online* though and I suspect those people represent a small fraction of Bernie voters but they’re the most vocal by a large amount.

[stilldropin20]

ok i gotta be honest. I really really really love Andrew Yang. I'd vote for him. over Trump. And he's the only one i'd vote for over Trump. He's the only guy WITH A REALISTIC LOOK at all the real issues staring down middle america. That's all of us...in the middle. The poor. The working poor. The middle class. The upper middle class.

Harris, booker, HRC, Biden, and all their ild are false prophets.

For now, Trump is doing the right things the majority of the time to jump start our economy and get as many people involved in the work force by bringing jobs and businesses and tax dollars back to america. however clumsy Trump policies are delivered and messaged and regardless of how much the media steps on him, he's mostly right.

As automation takes jobs away around the entire globe, Yang is the only guy that appears to have the pulse of how rapidly this will occur. Hint: way faster than any damage from climate change. UBI is inevitible. and if implemented correctly, UBI is better than welfare. and should replace welfare. I also believe machines should not be allowed to be mass owned (no one is talking about this). Rather limit corporations to a certain number of AI machine ownership. Foce large corps to sub contract out to thousands of mom and pop small business owners who own the AI machines. mom and pop end up managing the machines for large corps. Its a huge mistake to allow one corp (say amazon) to own the manufacturing and the distribution of all products (hyperbole i know, but we are dangerously close to this reality.

UBI and even UHCFA is fine so long as humans are put to work and made to feel they earned their keep. the only thing worse than working is not working. and idle mind is a dull mind. and if you're not working, why pay to educate you? makes no sense. Crime, drug use, suicide, and general horrors on humanity will occur is human beings are idle and free to wander. They will find ways to organize illicitly in an attempt to control each other. and control neighborhoods/clans. Etc. Sports, education, and work force competition while abhorrent (it appears) to many...is actually healthy. It allows humans to vent, challenge themselves and each other within a "healthy" confines of societal norms. AI machines will remove 90% of that and AI machines will become better at everything. Its inevitable. but...you combat this inevitbility with one simple law:you maximize the mount of AI machines that any given company is allowed to own and the amount of work one machine can perform...simply stated: one machine is limited by law to replace one (8 hour) worker. and limit the amount of machines per corporation to 2-3 machines top. This will force large corporations to subcontract out any further work to be completed by AI machines. This way here the need remains to continue to educate the populace. So that they can own, run, and maintain and manage their (mom and pop) AI machine small businesses. Yang hasn't thought that far ahead...but this is pretty much the only way capitalism/democracy survives. Or else we are headed to socialism. and Socialism always leads to fascism styled governments because individual become poor and lose their power with the loss of choices.


So far, Yang is the best policy wise. I could live with a yang/warren ballot where warren goes after big banking/finance and yang leads on addressing the immediate future impact of our workforce losing jobs to AI. As for (right now), Both yang and Warren need to pivot to trumps base andTcontinue Trumps current push on tariffs to counter the trade and manufacturing imbalance with china. <--that probably all they need to do to get enough of trumps base to vote for them in order to beat him. And they are the only two Id consider because they talk about real issues that we (americans) should actually be concerned about. at least yang does and warren used to.

But there i said it. I want to hear more and reserve the right to change my mind. But I could vote for Yang...especially with a pivot to address/accept most of Trumps trade policies. Yang seems to be the only guy with a real understanding of where the real dangers of the near future lie, and how catastrophic things could get if AI puts 50% of the work force out of work over the next 10 years (yes, we are that close).

The GND and climate crap is a hoax. fear monegring 101 to scare americans dumbest to the booths to vote for more idiots to drive us to certain death.

[Ruzious]

C'mon SD, the 2 guys you would accept as president are polar opposites - aside from being businessmen. Doesn't Yang even call himself the anti-Trump? Supporting both of them is like saying you're a fan of both the Red Sox and Yankees.

And stop with the Socialism BS. The ADA was the opposite of Socialism - it forced almost everyone to pay for real medical insurance - and your guy Trump has done everything to try to destroy it. Without an improved version of it, we're going to end up having the government pay more.

[stilldropin20]

C'mon SD, the 2 guys you would accept as president are polar opposites - aside from being businessmen. Doesn't Yang even call himself the anti-Trump? Supporting both of them is like saying you're a fan of both the Red Sox and Yankees.

And stop with the Socialism BS. The ADA was the opposite of Socialism - it forced almost everyone to pay for real medical insurance - and your guy Trump has done everything to try to destroy it. Without an improved version of it, we're going to end up having the government pay more.

i dont care about parties. nor do i much care for politicians. For the 100th, I am an independent. and Yang gets it. Trump gets it too.

There is really only 1 hard core thing that could make me absolutely never vote for someone: late term abortions. Other than that I can be made to like the warts if i love something else that much more. I love trump's comprehensive economic/trade/tax plan enough that i forgive his warts.

That said, i'm sick and tired of the extreme divisiveness in politics. Trump did not start it. Not even close. and its the 2 tiered justice system where skilled "lawyers" become poliiticians and then use their knowldege of our laws to break the law every single day in politics but they carefully construct their words and the media lets them off the hook. That is what created all the divisiveness to begin with. trump just fought back against the liberal machine like no else before him and thats why people credit him for the great divide. And holy crap the left just cant stand it when someone doesn't lay down for them and bend at their will. effin babies!!

and now the left is literally electing children into office. Trump may appear clumsy. But stupid he is not and he actually has america's best interests in mind. His policies are working. For everyone. AOC, and that withc that made a fool of herself the other day are just petty children. And dem leaders are giving them a real platform and loud bullhorne and soap box to spew just hate with no logic...just to move the overton window?? Its disgusting. I'm sick of it. The immediate fiture looks ok. The distand future looks bleak and children with nothing to lose are going to elect more children with nothing to lose into office who are going to burn it all down with no idea how to build it all back up. and by then it will be too late. we must check china right now and forever or forever hold our peace and give them the reigns. When that happens. I moving. Hope i'm liquid enough and ready for it. It wont be pretty.

so for that reason...i'm ready to move on in 2020. Yangs the closest guy with a real plan. He is the smartest guy in the room. he understands the real issues. And He has policies to address the fake issues that are abundant enough in depth for me to believe that he can fool the fools who need to be fooled by the folly. He's polished. he gets it. Good enough for me. I hope like hell he can pull off the Dem nomination.

[Ruzious]

That's almost irrelevant what party you're in. They have completely different outlooks - regardless of party. That's why it makes no sense to me. And I'm calling shenanigans on you saying you hate divisiveness. If you're for Trump, you've completely lost the right to say that. Divisiveness is part of his overall strategizing. Listening to all that hair band music must have destroyed your brain cells.