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Post#341 » by prime1time » Yesterday 12:53 pm

tontoz wrote:Last summer i was high on Ament. Now i am close to being completed out on him as a top 8 prospect. I was under the impression last summer that he was a good/great shooter. So far that has not been the case.

His shooting was so bad in that Duke exhibition it was a major red flag. He wasnt just missing, he is missing the rim. So far through 4 games he is 4-18 from 3 against cupcakes. If this continues it's pretty hard to make the case for him as a top 8 pick. He isn't dynamic taking it to the basket.

This is just the way I do things some people will differ. When it comes to 3-point shooting, I really weigh attempts heavily. The sample size is small and 3-point shooting fluctuates in low percentages. It tells me a lot that he's letting it fly at least 4 times a game. I also like the 3 assists a game. It's not crazy competition but 2 games with 5 assists.

Imo, it'd be a bigger red flag if he wasn't attempting them. Let's see where his average shakes out. But the potential is there if the 3-point shot falls. He's skilled for 6'10.
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I love Vecenie's stuff. Early talk about Mikel Brown Jr. He completely dominated Kentucky. 5:53.
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Post#343 » by tontoz » Yesterday 1:37 pm

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tontoz wrote:Last summer i was high on Ament. Now i am close to being completed out on him as a top 8 prospect. I was under the impression last summer that he was a good/great shooter. So far that has not been the case.

His shooting was so bad in that Duke exhibition it was a major red flag. He wasnt just missing, he is missing the rim. So far through 4 games he is 4-18 from 3 against cupcakes. If this continues it's pretty hard to make the case for him as a top 8 pick. He isn't dynamic taking it to the basket.

This is just the way I do things some people will differ. When it comes to 3-point shooting, I really weigh attempts heavily. The sample size is small and 3-point shooting fluctuates in low percentages. It tells me a lot that he's letting it fly at least 4 times a game. I also like the 3 assists a game. It's not crazy competition but 2 games with 5 assists.

Imo, it'd be a bigger red flag if he wasn't attempting them. Let's see where his average shakes out. But the potential is there if the 3-point shot falls. He's skilled for 6'10.



Have you ever seen a good shooter look this bad?


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Post#344 » by prime1time » Yesterday 2:37 pm

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tontoz wrote:Last summer i was high on Ament. Now i am close to being completed out on him as a top 8 prospect. I was under the impression last summer that he was a good/great shooter. So far that has not been the case.

His shooting was so bad in that Duke exhibition it was a major red flag. He wasnt just missing, he is missing the rim. So far through 4 games he is 4-18 from 3 against cupcakes. If this continues it's pretty hard to make the case for him as a top 8 pick. He isn't dynamic taking it to the basket.

This is just the way I do things some people will differ. When it comes to 3-point shooting, I really weigh attempts heavily. The sample size is small and 3-point shooting fluctuates in low percentages. It tells me a lot that he's letting it fly at least 4 times a game. I also like the 3 assists a game. It's not crazy competition but 2 games with 5 assists.

Imo, it'd be a bigger red flag if he wasn't attempting them. Let's see where his average shakes out. But the potential is there if the 3-point shot falls. He's skilled for 6'10.



Have you ever seen a good shooter look this bad?



Without a doubt yes lol. I watch games but I'm also a big stat guy. I don't make determinations on someone's shooting based on a random performance. Against Oklahoma last year Tre Johnson went 0-14. I get if you feel like you've seen enough to draw conclusions. That's your right. When it comes to shooting I care about large sample sizes and even then there's other things that I'll focus on. Free throw percentage, form etc. I made a post about VJ edgecombe in the other thread. Last year he started the season 3/17 from 3 in his first 4 games. Right now Edgecombe is 37.5% from 3. But I treat every player the same when it comes to shooting. I care about large sample sizes and consistency.

People on this board got angry when I pointed out that Jalen Suggs 3-point shooting was undwhelming. Suggs had shot 33.7% from 3 but he also had 1 game where he was 7/10 from 3, 4/7 from 3, 3/4 from 3 and 2/3 from 3. So in 4 games Suggs was 15/24 from 3. In the other 26 games he was 20/80. 25% from 3. But when we look at Jalen Suggs in the NBA he's a career 33% 3-point shooter. Obviously it's not starting well for Ament but when it comes to shooting I'll follow the same process I always do.
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Post#345 » by tontoz » Yesterday 2:41 pm

prime1time wrote:Without a doubt yes lol. I watch games but I'm also a big stat guy. I don't make determinations on someone's shooting based on a random performance. Against Oklahoma last year Tre Johnson went 0-14. I get if you feel like you've seen enough to draw conclusions. That's your right. When it comes to shooting I care about large sample sizes and even then there's other things that I'll focus on. Free throw percentage, form etc. I made a post about VJ edgecombe in the other thread. Last year he started the season 3/17 from 3 in his first 4 games. Right now Edgecombe is 37.5% from 3. But I treat every player the same when it comes to shooting. I care about large sample sizes and consistency.

People on this board got angry when I pointed out that Jalen Suggs 3-point shooting was undwhelming. Suggs had shot 33.7% from 3 but he also had 1 game where he was 7/10 from 3, 4/7 from 3, 3/4 from 3 and 2/3 from 3. So in 4 games Suggs was 15/24 from 3. In the other 26 games he was 20/80. 25% from 3. But when we look at Jalen Suggs in the NBA he's a career 33% 3-point shooter. Obviously it's not starting well for Ament but when it comes to shooting I'll follow the same process I always do.



Did you even watch the vid? It isn't just about missing. His shots werent even in the right zip code. Even good shooters will go cold but they can still hit the friggin rim lol.
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Post#346 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Yesterday 2:44 pm

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Post#347 » by prime1time » Yesterday 3:57 pm

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prime1time wrote:Without a doubt yes lol. I watch games but I'm also a big stat guy. I don't make determinations on someone's shooting based on a random performance. Against Oklahoma last year Tre Johnson went 0-14. I get if you feel like you've seen enough to draw conclusions. That's your right. When it comes to shooting I care about large sample sizes and even then there's other things that I'll focus on. Free throw percentage, form etc. I made a post about VJ edgecombe in the other thread. Last year he started the season 3/17 from 3 in his first 4 games. Right now Edgecombe is 37.5% from 3. But I treat every player the same when it comes to shooting. I care about large sample sizes and consistency.

People on this board got angry when I pointed out that Jalen Suggs 3-point shooting was undwhelming. Suggs had shot 33.7% from 3 but he also had 1 game where he was 7/10 from 3, 4/7 from 3, 3/4 from 3 and 2/3 from 3. So in 4 games Suggs was 15/24 from 3. In the other 26 games he was 20/80. 25% from 3. But when we look at Jalen Suggs in the NBA he's a career 33% 3-point shooter. Obviously it's not starting well for Ament but when it comes to shooting I'll follow the same process I always do.



Did you even watch the vid? It isn't just about missing. His shots werent even in the right zip code. Even good shooters will go cold but they can still hit the friggin rim lol.

Ok, he sucks happy?
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Post#348 » by tontoz » Yesterday 4:03 pm

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prime1time wrote:Without a doubt yes lol. I watch games but I'm also a big stat guy. I don't make determinations on someone's shooting based on a random performance. Against Oklahoma last year Tre Johnson went 0-14. I get if you feel like you've seen enough to draw conclusions. That's your right. When it comes to shooting I care about large sample sizes and even then there's other things that I'll focus on. Free throw percentage, form etc. I made a post about VJ edgecombe in the other thread. Last year he started the season 3/17 from 3 in his first 4 games. Right now Edgecombe is 37.5% from 3. But I treat every player the same when it comes to shooting. I care about large sample sizes and consistency.

People on this board got angry when I pointed out that Jalen Suggs 3-point shooting was undwhelming. Suggs had shot 33.7% from 3 but he also had 1 game where he was 7/10 from 3, 4/7 from 3, 3/4 from 3 and 2/3 from 3. So in 4 games Suggs was 15/24 from 3. In the other 26 games he was 20/80. 25% from 3. But when we look at Jalen Suggs in the NBA he's a career 33% 3-point shooter. Obviously it's not starting well for Ament but when it comes to shooting I'll follow the same process I always do.



Did you even watch the vid? It isn't just about missing. His shots werent even in the right zip code. Even good shooters will go cold but they can still hit the friggin rim lol.

Ok, he sucks happy?



It was a yes or no question.

Even the best shooters will go through slumps. I never see good shooters look like that. If Steven Adams suddenly started shooting jumpers, it would probably look like Ament vs Duke. I watched the first half against Rice last night. The first 3 they showed went completely over the rim hitting the backboard on the other side of the rim. I was like :eek1:
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Post#349 » by prime1time » Yesterday 4:09 pm

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prime1time wrote:Without a doubt yes lol. I watch games but I'm also a big stat guy. I don't make determinations on someone's shooting based on a random performance. Against Oklahoma last year Tre Johnson went 0-14. I get if you feel like you've seen enough to draw conclusions. That's your right. When it comes to shooting I care about large sample sizes and even then there's other things that I'll focus on. Free throw percentage, form etc. I made a post about VJ edgecombe in the other thread. Last year he started the season 3/17 from 3 in his first 4 games. Right now Edgecombe is 37.5% from 3. But I treat every player the same when it comes to shooting. I care about large sample sizes and consistency.

People on this board got angry when I pointed out that Jalen Suggs 3-point shooting was undwhelming. Suggs had shot 33.7% from 3 but he also had 1 game where he was 7/10 from 3, 4/7 from 3, 3/4 from 3 and 2/3 from 3. So in 4 games Suggs was 15/24 from 3. In the other 26 games he was 20/80. 25% from 3. But when we look at Jalen Suggs in the NBA he's a career 33% 3-point shooter. Obviously it's not starting well for Ament but when it comes to shooting I'll follow the same process I always do.



Did you even watch the vid? It isn't just about missing. His shots werent even in the right zip code. Even good shooters will go cold but they can still hit the friggin rim lol.

Ok, he sucks happy?

Let's say the misses are way off. I still don't care. There's so much that goes into shooting. Is he changing his form. Is his form consistent. Does Tennessee have him tweaking his form. The kid is 6'10, can put the ball on the floor, is averaging more assists than Dybantsa and even with bad 3-point shooting is averaging 20/9/3. Like get real. Flagg started out last season 4-18 from 3. There's so much that goes into shooting. I don't care if they were all airballs. I don't evaluate shooting like that. I care more if the coach who sees him in practice every day tells him to stop shooting. Or if his teammates role their eyes because they know they don't have a chance. Let's be honest. If he's knocking down 3's with the skillset he already has he's competing for first overall.

Obsessing over 1 game where his shot was off just gives me the impression that you personally decided to dislike the kid. Scouting shouldn't be personal. It leads to errors in judgement. Compare Ament to Wilson. Caleb Wilson averages 1 3 point attempted a game. That's more concerning to me shooting wise than Ament.
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Post#350 » by tontoz » Yesterday 4:19 pm

prime1time wrote:[ and even with bad 3-point shooting is averaging 20/9/3. Like get real. Flagg started out last season 4-18 from 3. There's so much that goes into shooting. I don't care if they were all airballs. I don't evaluate shooting like that. I care more if the coach who sees him in practice every day tells him to stop shooting. Or if his teammates role their eyes because they know they don't have a chance. Let's be honest. If he's knocking down 3's with the skillset he already has he's competing for first overall.

Obsessing over 1 game where his shot was off just gives me the impression that you personally decided to dislike the kid. Scouting shouldn't be personal. It leads to errors in judgement. Compare Ament to Wilson. Caleb Wilson averages 1 3 point attempted a game. That's more concerning to me shooting wise than Ament.


Seriously? It was just a few months ago i was saying he was probably top 3.

I don't care that he posts good stats in blowouts vs cupcakes. Duke's non-conference schedule was tough early last year. 3 of their fist 6 games were against UK, Arizona and Kansas. They lost two of them.

The reason Flagg was billed as number one was because of his all around game, not because he was seen as a knock down shooter. And i didn't see Flagg missing the rim on his jumpers like Ament.
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Post#351 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Yesterday 5:17 pm

Houston has a couple of freshmen who are the type of players the Wizards could use, big man Chris Cenac Jr and PG Kingston Flemings ...

I might put Cenac above Ament.



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Post#352 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 12:20 am

Checking in on the 5 worst teams...


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Post#353 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 12:27 am

Duke vs Kansas tonight at 9pm!! Too bad Peterson isn't playing, but a good chance to watch Boozer against good competition. I also like Dame Sarr as a later 1st round prospect.


Right now I'm watching UNC vs Navy to see Caleb Wilson. And I also like Veesaar, again as a later 1st round prospect.
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Post#354 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 12:40 am

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I love Vecenie's stuff. Early talk about Mikel Brown Jr. He completely dominated Kentucky. 5:53.




Yeah they like Mikel, Sam has him at 4. I think Bryce has him at 5 with Wilson at 4.

Sam mentioned repeatedly about Mikel having a late growth spurt, I wonder if he's another one of these guys who's still going to grow another inch or 2 after getting drafted.

Mikel, Wilson and Avdalas all have my attention as far as potentially pushing into the top 3 to 5.
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Post#355 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Today 12:47 am

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Post#356 » by tontoz » Today 1:43 am

Neo has been pretty quiet the last two games. Some guys don't seem to get that motivated playing against weak competition. It will be interesting to see what he does once conference play starts
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Post#357 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 1:49 am

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Well, they have Wizards getting Peterson at 1. Ok. :D


Also getting Folgueiras at 44. Not bad.
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Post#358 » by doclinkin » Today 1:56 am

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Well, they have Wizards getting Peterson at 1. Ok. :D


Also getting Folgueiras at 44. Not bad.


A dream draft to me. Tahaad is all heart. Folgueiras is the Temu Avdija. Peterson the Real Deal. Then we bid high on a center like Duren or Kessler. Steal Tari Eason. Play for wins not lotto combinations.
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Post#359 » by Benjammin » Today 2:28 am

Caleb Wilson dominated some future naval officers fwiw.

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Post#360 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Today 2:37 am

Benjammin wrote:Caleb Wilson dominated some future naval officers fwiw.

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Caleb Wilson comp..... CWeb ?





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