Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[hands11]

Booker for Crawford once Singleton and Rondo return.

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Seraphin for Bayless works. Memphis will need front our help with Gasol down. Both contracts are expiring....

Bayless has been absolutely horrendous so far this year -- which might make him available for Seraphin.

I don't think he's an upgrade even over Maynor. But... of course I'd trade Maynor for him and throw Seraphin in! Get us out of the 2d year of his contract.

[payitforward]

Booker for Crawford once Singleton and Rondo return.

I love this idea, Hands. Would be perfect Ernie.

[nuposse04]

How bout Maurice Speights? He isn't getting consistent minutes so maybe GSW will be willing to walk away from him. Maynor+Seraphin for Speights?

[hands11]

Booker for Crawford once Singleton and Rondo return.

I love this idea, Hands. Would be perfect Ernie.

LOL. It would actually be a good move for the Wizards. That would leave Phil Pressey as the back up to Rondo. Which if you plan on losing anyway might be good so he can get some minutes to develop. With Rondo at PG, that allows the the other players to develop. And Booker would fit in nicely as a 3rd PG behind Bass and Sullinger.

It a small move that would help the Wizards a lot by cleaning up the some of the bench and giving it more of what its missing. And the contracts are a wash. Plus, I think it has become more apparent to Crawford now that he is not regular starter material on a good team. His place in the league is as a back up that can fill in for a starter when injury happens.

And hopefully Randy would have learned, Crawford is not your worst option as a back up PG and not really as effect as a 10-12 min SG off the bench type. He is a PG/SG not a SG/PG or pure SG.

I would rather see Crawford/Temple than Maynor/Temple. Hell, Crawford/Beal would even work. At least Crawford is a baller and he has a herky jerky change of pace and handles that allows him to get to the rim. And he hits FTs. And his USG% has been going down every year while his eFG and TS is going up.

Putting Crawford in when Wall comes out would replace skill much more closely then putting Maynor or Temple in.

And Crawford is learning. His numbers are trending in the right direction year after year in lots of categories.

Hopefully Rondo stays out a little longer and Crawford can prove he is a decent option as a back up PG so he can have a useful NBA career. I think that is his place in this league. He is actually looking like a better option then Nate Robinson who so many here thought was a good idea.

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[hands11]

How bout Maurice Speights? He isn't getting consistent minutes so maybe GSW will be willing to walk away from him. Maynor+Seraphin for Speights?

I think Kevin S is going to get moved. They just don't have to time to develop him further. Its taking to long for him to still be making the same mistakes. I see progress. But if he can't be counted on for quality small bursts on the floor, he just isn't going to tap into the rest of his talent. Not here at least. He is running out of time if he hasn't already.

He needs to give them mostly mistake free production and he hasn't been able to do that. Might be time to cash in and get a known quantity in return. Doesn't have to be a great player, but it needs to be a reliable one that fills a need or two.

Again, this team just has to many projects. Wall and Beal are still developing, though I wouldn't really call them projects. You also have Ves and now Otto. And there is Glen and Singleton will get another chance. That's probably enough right there.

To bad. i liked Kevin and wanted to see him figure out his inner beast. Kid does have some skills. But so do other players.

[nate33]

Cleveland fans are grumbling about the redundancy of three ball-dominant guards in the backcourt (Irving, Waiters and Jack). Some are suggesting that Jarrett Jack be moved.

What about Ariza straight up for Jack (if and when Porter gets healthy)? Adding Jack would make a HUGE difference for our 2nd unit. They desperately need a guy who can create offense on his own. Beal would also benefit a great deal from being relieved of the responsibility of being the shot creator on the 2nd unit.

Maybe include a Maynor for Gee swap to balance the rosters. (Gee is also signed for 2 years).

[mhd]

Cleveland fans are grumbling about the redundancy of three ball-dominant guards in the backcourt (Irving, Waiters and Jack). Some are suggesting that Jarrett Jack be moved.

What about Ariza straight up for Jack (if and when Porter gets healthy)? Adding Jack would make a HUGE difference for our 2nd unit. They desperately need a guy who can create offense on his own. Beal would also benefit a great deal from being relieved of the responsibility of being the shot creator on the 2nd unit.

Maybe include a Maynor for Gee swap to balance the rosters. (Gee is also signed for 2 years).

Ugh no. Jack's contract is horrible. I'd rather resign Ariza (who'll age better). Perhaps trade Seraphin+Booker for Bass?

[nate33]

Cleveland fans are grumbling about the redundancy of three ball-dominant guards in the backcourt (Irving, Waiters and Jack). Some are suggesting that Jarrett Jack be moved.

What about Ariza straight up for Jack (if and when Porter gets healthy)? Adding Jack would make a HUGE difference for our 2nd unit. They desperately need a guy who can create offense on his own. Beal would also benefit a great deal from being relieved of the responsibility of being the shot creator on the 2nd unit.

Maybe include a Maynor for Gee swap to balance the rosters. (Gee is also signed for 2 years).

Ugh no. Jack's contract is horrible. I'd rather resign Ariza (who'll age better). Perhaps trade Seraphin+Booker for Bass?

Hmmm. Didn't realize Jack was 30. I thought he was about 27 or so.

You're right. That contract looks a little bad when you factor age. We shouldn't give up Ariza for him. However, if we're "all in" with Gortat, we don't stand to have any cap room for the foreseeable future. With that in mind, maybe we should offer Seraphin, Singleton and Maynor for Jack. It gets his contract off their books. Don't know if they'd do it though.

[mhd]

Cleveland fans are grumbling about the redundancy of three ball-dominant guards in the backcourt (Irving, Waiters and Jack). Some are suggesting that Jarrett Jack be moved.

What about Ariza straight up for Jack (if and when Porter gets healthy)? Adding Jack would make a HUGE difference for our 2nd unit. They desperately need a guy who can create offense on his own. Beal would also benefit a great deal from being relieved of the responsibility of being the shot creator on the 2nd unit.

Maybe include a Maynor for Gee swap to balance the rosters. (Gee is also signed for 2 years).

Ugh no. Jack's contract is horrible. I'd rather resign Ariza (who'll age better). Perhaps trade Seraphin+Booker for Bass?

Hmmm. Didn't realize Jack was 30. I thought he was about 27 or so.

You're right. That contract looks a little bad when you factor age. We shouldn't give up Ariza for him. However, if we're "all in" with Gortat, we don't stand to have any cap room for the foreseeable future. With that in mind, maybe we should offer Seraphin, Singleton and Maynor for Jack. It gets his contract off their books. Don't know if they'd do it though.

Keep in mind that Ted will never pay the luxary tax (which may be an issue if Gortat & Ariza resign). I don't know if he wants another mid-level longterm deal.

I don't think the Cavs trade Jack. Their owner wants to win, and wants to appease Kyrie.

[mhd]

With Thomas & Vasquez playing so well, you guys think we could try and get Jimmer? I'd offer any of our trash+ a future 2nd for Jimmer and see if the Kings bite.

[nuposse04]

aaron brooks...he's gotta be an upgrade.

Seraphin+Maynor for Brooks+Large human mass

[LyricalRico]

With Thomas & Vasquez playing so well, you guys think we could try and get Jimmer? I'd offer any of our trash+ a future 2nd for Jimmer and see if the Kings bite.

Been proposing Sacto scenarios for a while now, especially since there was an article last week IIRC saying they really want to make a deal. My assumption is that they'd want to move a contract, though. Assuming we were going to keep Gortat anyway, something like this could really help our bench:

Ariza+Maynor+Singleton for Jimmer+Thornton+Patterson

Again, this assumes we're not looking to make any moves with cap space next summer. Pretty sure we could still bring back Gortat and use the MLE without paying the luxury tax next season (basing that on memory, not the latest figures).

[LyricalRico]

aaron brooks...he's gotta be an upgrade.

Seraphin+Maynor for Brooks+Large human mass

Brooks would be interesting because he can score and the team wouldn't have to change their style of play when Wall comes out (other than Brooks not being able to make those cross court passes to the corners). The problem with Houston is figuring out what they need. They are two deep pretty much everywhere except maybe SG, and their only big longterm deals Harden/Howard.

Maybe we can try to get in as the third team in an Asik trade. I'll play with the checker and see what I can come up with.

[mhd]

Seraphin for Bayless works. Memphis will need front our help with Gasol down. Both contracts are expiring....

Bayless has been absolutely horrendous so far this year -- which might make him available for Seraphin.

I don't think he's an upgrade even over Maynor. But... of course I'd trade Maynor for him and throw Seraphin in! Get us out of the 2d year of his contract.

I'd easily trade Seraphin for Bayless. Bayless at least is an NBA athlete who can break down a defense. Maynor has middle school athleticism. I think Derek Fisher at this stage of his career is a better athlete.

[Ruzious]

With Thomas & Vasquez playing so well, you guys think we could try and get Jimmer? I'd offer any of our trash+ a future 2nd for Jimmer and see if the Kings bite.

They also have McCallum on the roster - who did well in preseason according to reports and dominated his first D league game and was picked - wait for it - 1 pick after GR2.

[J-Ves]

With Thomas & Vasquez playing so well, you guys think we could try and get Jimmer? I'd offer any of our trash+ a future 2nd for Jimmer and see if the Kings bite.

They also have McCallum on the roster - who did well in preseason according to reports and dominated his first D league game and was picked - wait for it - 1 pick after GR2.

For what it's worth, GR2 also dominated during his stint in the D league.


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[hands11]

With Thomas & Vasquez playing so well, you guys think we could try and get Jimmer? I'd offer any of our trash+ a future 2nd for Jimmer and see if the Kings bite.

No

Jimmer is not a player this team needs to add. Nor is Vasquez.

The roster looks like this in the near term (2-4 weeks)

Wall, Beal, Webster, Nene, Gortat
Maynor, Temple, Trevor A, Singleton, Ves

and then with in 30 days, you have Otto. Hopefully he can score because that's what they lack past the core 6 players.

Eventually I think AH rounds that out as extended bench as a scoring S4 who can't defend well. That's 11

I still say the best way to work that roster is to move a starter to the 2nd unit or get them out early and fill these mostly defensive utility player in and out of the starting group to extend their legs so more of them are out there at any give time vs turning to a line up of these players.

So with 10 or 11 players ( AH health ? ) I see the trade pieces as Booker, Glen, Kevin S and Maynor if you can find something better. Trade potential for production and cap relief for the trade to team.

[hands11]

I would trade Booker to Boston for Crawford or similar move.
I would trade Kevin S and Glen for a defensive big body PF/C or C: Zaza

That's what I would look to add. A PG/SG back up with mocky and handles. The team sorely lacks handles. And a big body center. Only players that won't hurt the cap and are movable if needed.

When Burke returns, Utah might have a player for us. Diante Garrett or Alec Burks
http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/utah/utah-jazz

Wall, Beal, Webster, Nene, Gortat
Maynor, Temple, Otto, Trevor A, Singleton, Ves, Zaza plus AH

These are the kind of set up moves I would make now to better the chances of winning and a playoff run. Then you are set up nicely for bigger moves over the summer or even the trade deadline.

Trevor A for a Big Baby or Boozier type (Amnesty cheap ) would really help.

Zaza would be a nice addition. Does the dirty work. Throws his body around. Big boy. Makes FTs. Rebounds. He is huge. Need someone to bang on Hibbert and save Nene and Gortat that pain. Seasoned by not to old. Nice counter punch to the more nimble jumping running Ves.

That's where I would focus right now.

[LyricalRico]

Crazy 5-team mega trade in response to the Rose injury. Couldn't completely run it through the checker, but seem about right financially.

Wizards trade: Ariza, Maynor, and Singleton
Wizards receive: Lin, Greg Smith and Jimmer

Kings trade: Patterson, Salmons, Jimmer and multiple 2nds
Kings receive: Deng

Bulls trade: Boozer and Deng
Bulls receive: Afflalo, Ariza, Patterson, Salmons, and ORL pick

Rockets trade: Asik, Lin and Greg Smith
Rockets receive: Boozer and Maynor

Magic trade: Afflalo and pick
Magic receive: Asik, Singleton and SAC 2nds

Chicago clears some 2014 salary (Ariza's expiring and Salmons deal is only $1M guaranteed) to get under the luxury tax without having to amnesty Boozer, and they get a true SG plus a pick to balance their team going forward.

For everyone else, Houston trades two pricey bench players to get a starter at PF that can pair with Dwight Howard. Orlando gets a starting center to pair with Vucevic. Sacramento deal spare parts for a starting SF. Washington takes on some salary to upgrade the bench.