GT: Nuggets @ Wizards (12/9/13)

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #361 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:27 am

Boy, that lineup with 4 recent Grunfail first round draft picks + fart was brutal.

Think of the historic whiffage there:

Fart
Singleton
Porter
Vesley
Seraphin

That crew doesn't have a chance to put the ball in the basket

hands11 · Post #362 » by **hands11** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:30 am

nate33 wrote:
keynote wrote:
Illmatic21 wrote:The problem with Wall is that he isn't a good scorer in general. He's already an unnatural, non-intuitive scorer. So when he tries to force the issue he just looks even worse.

Players like CP3, Curry, Irving, Lillard (who has been phenomenal lately) have confidence in their scoring abilities and are cool and collected in the clutch. They trust what they've practiced and let muscle memory take over.

Wall hasn't honed his scoring ability anywhere close to the degree those guys have, he doesn't have the muscle memory to begin with.

I'm trying to think of a comparison for point guards who were very good at running an offense, but NOT good as #1 options late in games. Kidd?

Kidd is the closest comp. Rondo is up there. Mark Jackson, back in the day.

I hope he can be something in between Rondo and Westbrook. Westbrook worked really hard and eventually developed a deadly midrange game. And by midrange, I'm talking 14-17 feet, not 20 feet. Wall is trying, but it's just not there yet. And he shoots too many from 19-21 feet rather than 14-17. I would also like to see Wall convert near the basket with more efficiency. He has missed a ton of layups over the last 10 games or so.

I do like that Wall has become at least marginally credible as a 3-point shooter. That 3-point set shot is something that doesn't make me cringe nearly as much as his off-balance fade-to-the-right long-2's

Did you see that nice floater. Not my favorite shot but he nailed it.

Yeah, he needs to do what Westbrook does loser to the basket. Westbrook just jumps so high he gets a really clean look. Not sure if Wall can do that or not. Probably need to change his release point to something higher to do it from there.

kirubel94 · Post #363 » by **kirubel94** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:30 am

To be honest Wall shouldn't even have been put in that position. He plays too many minutes and the bench gives the team no support. But he does have to come up big when we he has the chance. With that said, he is making progress, and i hope and pray that that they will acquire some bench help and most importantly a capable back up PG.

dlts20 · Post #364 » by **dlts20** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:06 am

yeah, Im not worried about Wall. Its just the last stop in the development process. He'll hit it one day and will be clutch after that. What we need more then anything right is atleast one of the big injuried 3 to get back and prefferbly 2 of them

jivelikenice · Post #365 » by **jivelikenice** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:45 am

Went back and watched the last minute again and I I don't fully understand the Wall criticism. He was clearly fouled the last play. It wasn't a "have to swallow your whistle" type of call. He clearly grabbed his arm which caused Wall to lose the ball on an otherwise decisive move that got him a midrange shot in one of his comfort spots. Refs just don't respect us yet. The layup Faried blocked was a good defensive play. When teams only have to guard 3 of your starters, players can collapse. And he found Ariza for a wide open three. Now he did rush the layup off the Rice steal so that one can be criticized, but the others weren't as egregious.

That being said, I still think he needs to improve as an end of game scorer, but his improvement over the last 40-50 games has been outstanding.

Knighthonor · Post #366 » by **Knighthonor** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:59 am

JWizmentality wrote:Remember what clutch was like?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA[/youtube]

I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

Knighthonor · Post #367 » by **Knighthonor** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:13 am

Honestly can we get some F***ing good news on this board regarding the Wizards?!

I would like that.

Stern should give these lower end teams a bit more so they can have a chance to compete.

jivelikenice · Post #368 » by **jivelikenice** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:14 am

Knighthonor wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Remember what clutch was like?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA[/youtube]

I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

The standards here are so low.....

dlts20 · Post #369 » by **dlts20** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:19 am

Knighthonor wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Remember what clutch was like?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA[/youtube]

I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

IDK about that. I think Wall can definitely be better. Gil was great but he was primarily just a scorer. Horrible on D to the point where he didnt even care and he had no PG skills until "after" he wasnt the same player anymore. If he had been open to the PG skills while healthy then he couldve been arguably the best Offensive player in the league but he wasnt that. On top of that he went from killing people on the drives to just shooting all jumpers which made him ineffieciant. I think Wall will surpass him. Talent wise then Gil is probably the best but when it comes to getting the most out of the talent, it will be Wall and I think that will put him over Gil

Knighthonor · Post #370 » by **Knighthonor** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:31 am

jivelikenice wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Remember what clutch was like?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA[/youtube]

I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

The standards here are so low.....

I hear people saying this all the time here, but nothing to back it up. the wizards were totally better during the Gil Era.
Gil was 1 of the top scorers in the league at one point during the Wizard's season.

Back up your claim that he was bad. Prove it. Besides the comeback and the off the court issues, he was fine. :roll:

jivelikenice · Post #371 » by **jivelikenice** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:41 am

Why don't you back up your claim that I think he was bad? I'm just not hung up on the good old days with Gil that resulted in one 2 nd rd sweep. I appreciate what he did and he gave us an exciting entertaining 4 years before the injuries settled in, but its been done for a long time. And I can understand not getting over an MJ/Kobe/Lebron, but Gil? LOL. Just speaks to how bad the Wiz have been historically.

hands11 · Post #372 » by **hands11** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:56 am

jivelikenice wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Remember what clutch was like?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA[/youtube]

I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

The standards here are so low.....

I know. Its sad.

Hidden Eye · Post #373 » by **Hidden Eye** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:56 am

Wall and Ariza lost the game for the Wizards the 4th quarter they made no shots saw all misses from the play by play...

Kanyewest · Post #374 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:29 am

I'm not sure why Singleton was out there to close the game. They should have gone with Rice.

truwizfan4evr · Post #375 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:32 am

I want to tank so bad....... This is not a team built for long term success.

WizKid25 · Post #376 » by **WizKid25** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:10 am

A few have touched on it. But Wall will be fine in the clutch. It's the natural progression of stars. Kobe had to go through it. LeBron had to go through it. Durant had to go through it. Harden is going through it now. Not saying Wall is any of those guys. But if they had to learn, players like Wall do too. Plus, Wall has had so many other areas to focus on since coming into the league (and limited court time to do so because of injuries) that he couldn't just step right in and work on being clutch, especially not on a bad team. It'll come. These are all good experiences for him, and, if history is any indication, he will learn from them like others have and they will make him better. Unfortunately, it could take two or three years before he really gets it down. First, he has to show he can be clutch. Then he has to do it consistently. Then he has to do it in the playoffs. We're a long way from that. But I'm a firm believer that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Post #377 » by **nate33** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:06 pm

WizKid25 wrote:A few have touched on it. But Wall will be fine in the clutch. It's the natural progression of stars. Kobe had to go through it. LeBron had to go through it. Durant had to go through it. Harden is going through it now. Not saying Wall is any of those guys. But if they had to learn, players like Wall do too. Plus, Wall has had so many other areas to focus on since coming into the league (and limited court time to do so because of injuries) that he couldn't just step right in and work on being clutch, especially not on a bad team. It'll come. These are all good experiences for him, and, if history is any indication, he will learn from them like others have and they will make him better. Unfortunately, it could take two or three years before he really gets it down. First, he has to show he can be clutch. Then he has to do it consistently. Then he has to do it in the playoffs. We're a long way from that. But I'm a firm believer that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

I think experiences like this help to show Wall how much more work he still has in front of him. But at the same time, I think the sentiment of this post is right. Wall has not been entirely successful in his first few years in the league, but these failures are helping to make him a mentally stronger player. I think Wall at age 26 or so will be a better player because of these struggles now. It's kind of the opposite of the Kyrie Irving situation. I think Irving had too much early success and is now resting on his laurels.

Illmatic21 · Post #378 » by **Illmatic21** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:21 pm

John Wall ‏@John_Wall 9h
I gotta do better at end of games and make big plays....#wizplayoffs !!

sashae · Post #379 » by **sashae** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:32 pm

hands11 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:I honest doubt the Wiz will ever get a superstar like Prime Gil ever again.

The standards here are so low.....

I know. Its sad.

His swag was phenomenal. I loved watching Gil in his prime, because you knew he could hit shots like those at any time, from anywhere. I mean come on, do we forget this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcajwfVHTYI[/youtube]

Or this?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBdik__FgI[/youtube]

Everyone was left with a bad taste in their mouth about the Gil era after Gungate, but his injury was an utter tragedy for the team and the game of basketball.

MikeTheKid · Post #380 » by **MikeTheKid** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:45 pm

Im so desperate for bench help I wouldnt be mad if the Wiz called Royce White, 1 more knucklehead wouldn't hurt for good ole EG lololol