Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[gambitx777]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an indescribably bad trade. Beal plus two unprotected 1st rounders for guys who are, at best, average starters in this league?

I like the idea of a Beal for Barton + filler trade. But leave it at that. No picks. No Faried.

For the money Barton is 1000 times a better value than beal, you have to smoke screen them in to giving up a good young player on a good cheap deal. Sure I would trade beal for barton, but they won't,
I would do beal, 2017 first and anderson, for Barton and Hickson.
But The problem is we need decent starters, we get 3 starting caliber players, and yes do we give up some picks sure. Obviously you offer 1 unprotected first and see if they take it. But I don't think they do that. I also don't see how that is an incredibly bad trade.

[pcbothwel]

I agree that Will Barton is playing much better than Beal so far this season and that his contract is great, but Barton is 2 1/2 years older despite coming out his Sophomore year in the same draft class. Barton's first 3 years (22-24) were pretty terrible and he wasnt half the player Beal was despite Beal being younger (19-21).

I know we have fun in the trade thread, but I dont see any way we trade Beal.

[dckingsfan]

I agree that Will Barton is playing much better than Beal so far this season and that his contract is great, but Barton is 2 1/2 years older despite coming out his Sophomore year in the same draft class. Barton's first 3 years (22-24) were pretty terrible and he wasnt half the player Beal was despite Beal being younger (19-21).

I know we have fun in the trade thread, but I dont see any way we trade Beal.

I am kind of the opposite on this one. Beal has developed slowly, is oft injured and is going to want a max contract. I don't see any way we shouldn't (though we won't) trade him.

[Dark Faze]

If you really want a Beal trade that would probably be equal value and be very plausible--Brad for the Wolves pick this year (top 2 protected) and Kevin Martin as filler would probably get it done--they'd be fine with Brad over anyone but Simmons and Ingram imo

personally I'd say no as a wiz fan though

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

[nuposse04]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

Value might be ok player wise, no way I'd give up that many picks. I'd expect Gallinari coming back if I was giving up multiple 1sts.

I don't really see how Faried helps in any other area then rebounding. He's a bad defender and has little offensive game outside of being a glorified garbage man. He's on a decent contract I suppose. Would probably work better next to a center that could stretch it out further from the basket then Gortat.

[gambitx777]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

That was the point. We re giving up a lot of value in future picks and a young star like Beal. But we are 100% making the team better. Like you said Barton is Solid, and I think he fits better with Wall than Beal does. Faried, would work really well with Wall and Porter. Hickson is a 100% upgrade over Blair and Hump as a back up big, and Hump can have his minutes cut since Faried will be getting a lot more minutes.

[nate33]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

CCJ, I'm shocked that you of all people would be so enthusiastic about giving away two unprotected 1st round picks. Let's not overlook that this team is currently not even a playoff team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What do you guys think about this.
WIZ TRADE: NENE, Beal, 2017 unprotected, 2019 top 3 protected.
DEN TRADE: Faried, Hickson, Barton.
They get two highly unprotected first rounders, and a potentail star SG to go with their new PG. We fix our front court issues and we don't lose our KD dream either. Plus we not only fix our front court issues, but we find a cheap beal replacement. Is Farid the Stretch 4 we always wanted, no but he makes the team better, faster, and less soft and he can be moved easily if need be.

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

CCJ, I'm shocked that you of all people would be so enthusiastic about giving away two unprotected 1st round picks. Let's not overlook that this team is currently not even a playoff team.

2017 draft is next draft, when presumably this team will be revamped. I don't care about 2019.

Getting Barton at his price is huge. On top of that Faried is a legit, over-the-rim PF. He made Team USA for a reason--high energy.

Nene is toast. Beal is overrated and soon will be overpaid. This move hopefully moves Washington into the playoffs and makes Washington a real player in KD2DC, something looking high unlikely right now.

Barton and Faried are in their prime. Porter and Oubre are improving. Wall is a near superstar and Gortat is a quality C.

I'm all for this.

[nate33]

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

CCJ, I'm shocked that you of all people would be so enthusiastic about giving away two unprotected 1st round picks. Let's not overlook that this team is currently not even a playoff team.

2017 draft is next draft, when presumably this team will be revamped. I don't care about 2019.

Getting Barton at his price is huge. On top of that Faried is a legit, over-the-rim PF. He made Team USA for a reason--high energy.

Nene is toast. Beal is overrated and soon will be overpaid. This move hopefully moves Washington into the playoffs and makes Washington a real player in KD2DC, something looking high unlikely right now.

Barton and Faried are in their prime. Porter and Oubre are improving. Wall is a near superstar and Gortat is a quality C.

I'm all for this.

I think Beal and Barton are comparable, and Barton is no doubt cheaper. So that's an upgrade. But it's not like Barton's contract will last forever. In 2 years, his contract is up so any advantage he has over Beal is lost.

I'm not a huge fan of Faried. He's undersized defensively and doesn't stretch the floor offensively. His individual numbers are solid, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he's had a dramatically negative +/- in each of the last 3 seasons. You don't win today with PF's who can't stretch the floor. Currently, the Nuggets are 8.5 points per 48 worse than the opposition when Faried is on the floor. Faried is an upgrade over the nobodies we have at PF right now, but I think we could find a better fit for less money in free agency this summer. $12M a year should land us a guy like Ryan Anderson or Terrence Jones.

So basically, you are giving up 2 unprotected 1st, at least one of which (this one) looks to be a lotto pick. And the only real upgrade is that you save money at starting SG for 2 seasons.

[AFM]

Barton is much better than Beal this season



Surprised he's such a better rebounder as well

[Ruzious]

This is an outstanding trade idea, gambitx777.

--Barton's IMO better than Beal; and, he will make only about 1/3 of what Brad makes moving forward.
--Faried has one thing this team lacks, explosive energy needed to finish at the rim. He would feed off Wall and Gortat.
--Hickson's a better Drew Gooden. He's not a bad player sub.

This deal improves the team a great deal and really trades away very little. I actually doubt the Nuggets would go for this.

CCJ, I'm shocked that you of all people would be so enthusiastic about giving away two unprotected 1st round picks. Let's not overlook that this team is currently not even a playoff team.

2017 draft is next draft, when presumably this team will be revamped. I don't care about 2019.

Getting Barton at his price is huge. On top of that Faried is a legit, over-the-rim PF. He made Team USA for a reason--high energy.

Nene is toast. Beal is overrated and soon will be overpaid. This move hopefully moves Washington into the playoffs and makes Washington a real player in KD2DC, something looking high unlikely right now.

Barton and Faried are in their prime. Porter and Oubre are improving. Wall is a near superstar and Gortat is a quality C.

I'm all for this.

You have to look at fit - even if you think you're getting value. Faried and Gortat would not fit together because neither has a jump shot. Compared to Faried, Gortat is Steph Curry. And his lack of D has consistently been a major problem in Denver.

It's the kind of trade that solidifies you as a .500 team and takes away options to improve. Being a perennial .500 team shouldn't be the team's goal.

[nate33]

Barton is much better than Beal this season



Surprised he's such a better rebounder as well

I've been pretty aggressively anti-Beal lately, but there are some mitigating circumstances that make the comparison between the two players much closer than those numbers look. First of all, Beal was better than Barton in each of the last 3 seasons. Beal happens to be having his worst season ever, but I seriously doubt he peaked at 21. I suspect that it's a small sample size fluke coupled with bad coaching. And Barton is probably playing a bit above his true baseline as well. Secondly, Beal is 3 years younger than Barton. Barton is unlikely to improve much from now, whereas Beal will. Finally, Beal has turned it up in the playoffs 2 years in a row - showing a higher ceiling that we've seen from Barton.

If they had the same contract, I'd take Beal. I suspect most GM's would too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, I'm shocked that you of all people would be so enthusiastic about giving away two unprotected 1st round picks. Let's not overlook that this team is currently not even a playoff team.

2017 draft is next draft, when presumably this team will be revamped. I don't care about 2019.

Getting Barton at his price is huge. On top of that Faried is a legit, over-the-rim PF. He made Team USA for a reason--high energy.

Nene is toast. Beal is overrated and soon will be overpaid. This move hopefully moves Washington into the playoffs and makes Washington a real player in KD2DC, something looking high unlikely right now.

Barton and Faried are in their prime. Porter and Oubre are improving. Wall is a near superstar and Gortat is a quality C.

I'm all for this.

I think Beal and Barton are comparable, and Barton is no doubt cheaper. So that's an upgrade. But it's not like Barton's contract will last forever. In 2 years, his contract is up so any advantage he has over Beal is lost.

I'm not a huge fan of Faried. He's undersized defensively and doesn't stretch the floor offensively. His individual numbers are solid, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he's had a dramatically negative +/- in each of the last 3 seasons. You don't win today with PF's who can't stretch the floor. Currently, the Nuggets are 8.5 points per 48 worse than the opposition when Faried is on the floor. Faried is an upgrade over the nobodies we have at PF right now, but I think we could find a better fit for less money in free agency this summer. $12M a year should land us a guy like Ryan Anderson or Terrence Jones.

So basically, you are giving up 2 unprotected 1st, at least one of which (this one) looks to be a lotto pick. And the only real upgrade is that you save money at starting SG for 2 seasons.

All good points, nate.

Let's start with where I agree with you. Faried does not stretch the floor. He is often overmatched defensively. The past three years he's been a net negative for Denver--I think you're right. Here's all the reasons why that doesn't matter: rebounds, effective field goal percentage, foot speed, athleticism. Add that to the Wizards and I believe synergy would take place.

The Wizards have both Gortat and Wall. Gortat is a shot blocker and a good help defender. He is a mobile center. John Wall is probably the fastest in transition. Adding Faried would be a tremendous upgrade. Check the numbers, nate. Faried gives you 12 rebounds per-36. Six more than Dudley. He posted a 21 PER as a rookie.

Barton likewise is a much better rebounder than Beal. He is able to create his own shot and is extremely fast. Barton played well above 20 PER in December.

Just looking at possessions and field goal percentage efficiency I think it greatly improves this team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h9ytxdx

This says +9 wins, nate. This deal tremendously helps the Wizards.

[Jody Smokz]

I didn't realize this many Wiz fans would be looking to move Beal. Do you guys believe he gets a max offer this offseason?

[Ruzious]

I didn't realize this many Wiz fans would be looking to move Beal. Do you guys believe he gets a max offer this offseason?

That's certainly one of the key issues in deciding on whether or not to trade him. The local media guys that I've heard all say he'll still likely get a max deal - which seems insane to me and I think others. Whether or not you think he's that good as a player, this is his 4th year out of 4 years that he's gotten a stress fracture. So, you gotta ask - will sanity take over and the Wiz management understand that nobody else would offer him even close to the max? I don't know the answer to that question.

[Ruzious]

Barton's an interesting thought as a guy to acquire because he's under-valued, but Faried shouldn't be in the trade equation for the Wiz.
Wiz are already have a very good running offense. But their half-court offense is often more painful than the asthmatic bronchitis I'm trying to get through now. Adding a guy who can't shoot will just make their net offense worse, and we already know he's not going to help on defense. With JWall and Gortat our best offensive players - we need shootists everywhere else.

[Jody Smokz]

His leg issues are extremely alarming but with the cap hike and a lot of money to throw around I think some team is going to force the Wizards hand.

[tontoz]

His leg issues are extremely alarming but with the cap hike and a lot of money to throw around I think some team is going to force the Wizards hand.

Other than make spot up 3s he does nothing well offensively. He is a respectable defender but a weak rebounder. If he was drafted outside the top 10 nobody would be thinking he might get the max.

I was in favor of drafting him and optimistic about him at first but now i am hoping he gets traded before the deadline.

[Dark Faze]

the barton thing is dumb--taking a guy who's been meh to bad his whole career and then hyping him up over 30 games worth of production

beal is definitely getting a max in this market--its an awful awful market right now--you can get try to be cute and let him walk and swap him with a guy like Barton but its not a move that a guy like KD would be hyped about at all, and if dude regresses then your team looks like hot ass and Wall will be looking for a way out