The 2017 NBA Draft Thread

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Actually I think with the new D league situation I think EG might buy some seconds. he made a really good call on McCellan, and Tomas being a pretty decent prospect might just lure him in to playing big in the second round.

I hope you are right. The first teams to make good use of the new situation will have an advantage. & of course, it will drive up the price of R2 picks.

But not this year; this year it would be good to buy all of Philly's R2 picks!

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Honestly I would have loved to cut Ochifu but to be honest I admire EG for sticking with him, loyalty means something! But he will be gone. To many better options. IMO.

Had nothing to do with loyalty. Had to do with being up against cap/tax.

We were at @ $103m last year before Ochefu/House/McClellan. Only reason they were here.

It's a plus that McClellan could actually play reasonably well!

[NatP4]

another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

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another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

[NatP4]

another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

[Ruzious]

another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

I think you have the wrong measurements on Beacham. At the combine, his wingspan was just a hair over 6'10, and he was 6'6.25 without shoes, so give him 6'7.5. He also played with Connaughton - who's still in the NBA - and Colson - who hopefully will make it in the NBA next year. Notre Dame definitely likes 3's. One guy drives, and he's got 4 guys trying to get open behind the 3 point line. Sounds like Golden State style. Beachem just wasn't productive enough in college to make me think he's a pro prospect. I love Colson - the best 6'5 center in the nation.

[80sballboy]

another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

I see the Ariza 3& D thing, but he has to put on weight. At 6-8, 201, he's going to get pushed around but do love his length and athletic ability. And yes, I did watch him play. Sounds like the scouts feel he underachieved in college and has tenacity issues.

[NatP4]

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

I think you have the wrong measurements on Beacham. At the combine, his wingspan was just a hair over 6'10, and he was 6'6.25 without shoes, so give him 6'7.5. He also played with Connaughton - who's still in the NBA - and Colson - who hopefully will make it in the NBA next year. Notre Dame definitely likes 3's. One guy drives, and he's got 4 guys trying to get open behind the 3 point line. Sounds like Golden State style. Beachem just wasn't productive enough in college to make me think he's a pro prospect. I love Colson - the best 6'5 center in the nation.

Yep that's exactly how they play. But he's got the physical profile of a NBA wing, and projects as an elite shooter, those players always have a place in the NBA.

He's shown potential defensively and as a rebounder, just disappears sometimes .

I did have the measurement wrong, DE has him at 6"8, 6"10.25 wingspan. Thought he was longer than that

[NatP4]

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

I see the Ariza 3& D thing, but he has to put on weight. At 6-8, 201, he's going to get pushed around but do love his length and athletic ability. And yes, I did watch him play. Sounds like the scouts feel he underachieved in college and has tenacity issues.

I didn't say you didn't watch him play, I said PIF did. He's a 39% career 3pt shooter.

Your analysis sounds spot on, he has issues being aggressive and influencing the game outside of his jumpshot.

[80sballboy]

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

I see the Ariza 3& D thing, but he has to put on weight. At 6-8, 201, he's going to get pushed around but do love his length and athletic ability. And yes, I did watch him play. Sounds like the scouts feel he underachieved in college and has tenacity issues.

I didn't say you didn't watch him play, I said PIF did. He's a 39% career 3pt shooter.

Your analysis sounds spot on, he has issues being aggressive and influencing the game outside of his jumpshot.

Uggh, I was just pointing out I watched him play. That's all. A lot of people on this board just go by stats, which don't always tell the true story of an athlete at the collegiate level.

[gambitx777]

Honestly I would have loved to cut Ochifu but to be honest I admire EG for sticking with him, loyalty means something! But he will be gone. To many better options. IMO.

Had nothing to do with loyalty. Had to do with being up against cap/tax.

We were at @ $103m last year before Ochefu/House/McClellan. Only reason they were here.

It's a plus that McClellan could actually play reasonably well!

You could have cut him mid season and filled in with a vet min deal for someone more useful and not gone over the tax especially once we got 2 mill of instant relief form moving Nicholson. But I think loyalty set in and I respect that. But still would have loved saunders or some one from china.

[gambitx777]

Actually I think with the new D league situation I think EG might buy some seconds. he made a really good call on McCellan, and Tomas being a pretty decent prospect might just lure him in to playing big in the second round.

I hope you are right. The first teams to make good use of the new situation will have an advantage. & of course, it will drive up the price of R2 picks.

But not this year; this year it would be good to buy all of Philly's R2 picks!

I think the thing that will save us here is this is leading to ever team having a D league team and ted loves shiny new toys a brand new D league team all his and the prospect of that might lure him in to making EG buy in on round two!

[gambitx777]

I would like to leave this note right here, While yes you can see intangibles and flashes of things while watching guys play, Stats are set in stone, and while looking at who they did them aginst, means a lot, depending. Its important to watch these guys play, because stats can miss lead you and make you thing a guy who just doesn't play hard or has no BBIQ can actually play, but going with the if you actually watched him play line (which I use too) can miss lead you into thinking a dude who has potential is much further along that he really is, (jan Vesley in 2011)

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[NiteOwl]

Unless there is a point guard that they are in love with, I want the player with the highest 3 pt shooting percentage available - with preference given to players that shot 4 or more per game. That is a critical skill in today's NBA - should be able to find a Steve Novak/Bo Bo type player with good scouting. I would rather draft someone with one elite skill than someone that "projects" to be a rotation player. Maybe too much to ask deep in the 2nd round.

[80sballboy]

Sounds like a rookie free agent; late bloomer?
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/wizards-2017-nba-draft-prospect-profile-pf-devin-robinson-florida?utm_content=buffere1518&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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another name to watch is VJ Beachem from Notre Dame. Has a consistent best in the nation 40% 3pt shooting stroke with a frame like Trevor Ariza. has all the physical tools, was just inconsistent in influencing games outside of his jumpshot.

But he will be an elite 3pt shooter in the NBA.

I doubt it, because I doubt he will be in the NBA.

Other than shoot 36% on college 3-point attempts, he brings not a thing: doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, doesn't block, doesn't shoot the 2 well, doesn't get you steals, etc. etc. etc. Only other good thing is that he doesn't turn it over much.

Nor is 36% "best in the nation." What's up w/ that?
He "has all the physical tools" -- ???? Huh?

Now, Ariza, to whom you compare him for some reason, wasn't much good in college either. But that was as a freshman, not after 4 years.

So, what makes you think he'll be NBA "elite" anything ever?

Don't get me wrong -- he might make a good living playing basketball somewhere on the planet. See the world, etc. Nothing wrong with that!

Yeah I get it PIF you gotta do the condescending thing, but I actually watch college basketball instead of google stats.

But VJ beachem shot 42% from 3 his sophomore year and 45% his junior season, and if you actually watched basketball, you would know that his strength is spot up shooting, his sophomore and Junior seasons he played with Jerian Grant and Demetrius Jackson(both NBA draft picks) who were excellent at attacking the basket and finding open jumpshooters(which will be his game in the NBA)

Also if you watched him play, you would know that he has a 7"=+ wingspan and is 6"9 with a high NBA caliber release. Best shooting stroke in the entire country.

But you don't watch him, you just googled his shooting % his sernior year, congrats

Actually, rereading, I do see that my tone left something to be desired. Sorry about that, nat.

But, even granting Beachem the 40% you want for him on 3s -- in fact even granting him the "best shooting stroke..." -- it's still hard to see him in the NBA. There's just too much stuff he doesn't do well at all.

If you look at someone like Kyle Korver, for example, he got 8 boards per 40 minutes as a college senior. He got steals, he got assists.... Yes, he's a "specialist," but you don't give up everything else altogether when he's on the floor.

Of course, the world is full of exceptions to the rule, isn't it? So, hey, I could be wrong.

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Sounds like a rookie free agent; late bloomer?
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/wizards-2017-nba-draft-prospect-profile-pf-devin-robinson-florida?utm_content=buffere1518&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

DR projects Robinson @ #49, in which case he wouldn't be there when we picked. He does look like a good value player at that spot.

Actually, there are a whole bunch of guys in that part of the draft who look like outstanding value. The more picks we have the better. Keep in mind that with the new 17-player rule, we have 6 more roster spots -- even after we re-sign Porter & pick up Sheldon's option (but dropping Ochefu).

Guys in that part of R2 typically made $543K last year. I don't know whether that will change this year, but 3-4 guys like Robinson, Morris, Thornwell & Williams-Goss would leave us room to sign a backup PG & 1-2 other guys, no?

If there's a Mcaw, Brogden, Zubac, Hernangomez, Ferrell, Felder, Ulis among those guys... well, it's obvious.

[80sballboy]

If they make the pick, let's hope he turns out better than Aaron White though options weren't great in 2015.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/25225369/nba-draft-round-2-grades

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