2021 Draft Thread - Part II

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Kispert goes 11 to the Hornets.
Garuba 18 to OKC.

Awful. Passing on Garuba to take Tre Murphy would be the most unimaginative, short sighted move I could think of.
Also... Springer going 30, Petrusev 42, and Queta 60!!!

I agree. There are several players similar to Murphy that will go later. Garuba is a harder to find type of player that can give you a competitive advantage. Not that Murphy isn't good and a needed type of player - it's just that you can get players lower in the draft that do what he does. Garuba adds some physical toughness that Murphy doesn't.

Me too. If you like a guy who is going to go further down in the draft, then trade down. Let's assume for a moment that no one is taking Murphy in the teens. In that case, if you like him, if you are sure that he's better than other people think, trade down -- in fact, it doesn't even matter what extra asset you get in the trade. As long as it's something, you still come out ahead.

Let's say you think OKC might want a certain guy at 18. Let them know you're going to take that guy. If they want him, they can swap their #18 for your #15 -- & throw in their #36 -- or, hell, even their #55. That way at least you get something extra out of the deal (e.g. Sam Hauser?).

If you are so hung up on Murphy that it's him or no one, then you're a bad GM. OTOH, if you're not hung up on him, but you pass on Garuba even though you're pretty sure he's a better player overall -- but you must must must have a wing, then... you're an even worse GM.

Never be "all in" on anybody. It leads to tunnel vision. In fact, that's my one concern about Tommy. I'm worried that he has a tendency to go "all in" on certain players. He even used the expression after the '19 draft, saying "we were all in on Rui."

[Ruzious]

Awful. Passing on Garuba to take Tre Murphy would be the most unimaginative, short sighted move I could think of.
Also... Springer going 30, Petrusev 42, and Queta 60!!!

I agree. There are several players similar to Murphy that will go later. Garuba is a harder to find type of player that can give you a competitive advantage. Not that Murphy isn't good and a needed type of player - it's just that you can get players lower in the draft that do what he does. Garuba adds some physical toughness that Murphy doesn't.

Me too. If you like a guy who is going to go further down in the draft, then trade down. Let's assume for a moment that no one is taking Murphy in the teens. In that case, if you like him, if you are sure that he's better than other people think, trade down -- in fact, it doesn't even matter what extra asset you get in the trade. As long as it's something, you still come out ahead.

Let's say you think OKC might want a certain guy at 18. Let them know you're going to take that guy. If they want him, they can swap their #18 for your #15 -- & throw in their #36 -- or, hell, even their #55. That way at least you get something extra out of the deal (e.g. Sam Hauser?).

If you are so hung up on Murphy that it's him or no one, then you're a bad GM. OTOH, if you're not hung up on him, but you pass on Garuba even though you're pretty sure he's a better player overall -- but you must must must have a wing, then... you're an even worse GM.

Never be "all in" on anybody. It leads to tunnel vision. In fact, that's my one concern about Tommy. I'm worried that he has a tendency to go "all in" on certain players. He even used the expression after the '19 draft, saying "we were all in on Rui."

Right. It's possible Murphy goes as high as 15 (yikes), but he's a 1 dimensional player. Players like his teammate Hauser (sorry, I've probably mentioned him too many times), Weiskamp, Kessler Edwards, and Isaiah Livers (shoutout to NatP4 on him) will all go later (maybe significantly later) and could be just as good as him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This draft is one in which I am pretty neutral. The only strong opinion I have is that the number one overall pick is not going to be the best player in the draft. He is the prohibitive number one but I don’t think he is the best player in the draft.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Intuitively, the names that popped in my head of players Who are going to be better than most people imagine are Bones Hyland, Josh Primo, Day’Ron Sharpe and Sharife Cooper.

I think I’ll be satisfied with whoever Wizards draft at 15.

A trade down would be terrific.

If you ask me which two players I want right now I would say Jared Butler and Sharife Cooper. Butler is a super strong character guy.

It is inevitable that both Bradley Beal and Russell Westbrook will be moved. However, the smartest thing to do would be to draft their replacement players and allow them to be tutored by two of the best.

I think the Wizards should resign Rolo. Captain Hook is deadly. If he gets too good of a contract offer elsewhere then he’s got to go but otherwise I hope he’s resigned.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Trade for Grant is gonna make the draft a real bummer.

Won't be the first time....

[Benjammin]

How many times has a Boulez/Wizards draft night not been a disappointment? Kenny Green being the poster child for that.

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[miller31time]

How many times has a Boulez/Wizards draft night not been a disappointment? Kenny Green being the poster child for that.

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This is true. I could so easily see us trading Beal for a top-3 pick and not selecting one of Cunningham, Mobley or Suggs. Because Wizards.

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This is kind of an interesting test of where the Wizards are at.

Essentially, if Tommy trades away our R1 pick to acquire a mediocrity like Grant, there is no future for this franchise at all. We might as well fold our tents, shut down this Board, & find some other lost cause to embrace.

[dobrojim]

How many times has a Boulez/Wizards draft night not been a disappointment? Kenny Green being the poster child for that.

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Jan Vesely?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Watch on YouTube

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We are soon going to find out if Tommy is son of Ernie come draft night

[badinage]

This is kind of an interesting test of where the Wizards are at.

Essentially, if Tommy trades away our R1 pick to acquire a mediocrity like Grant, there is no future for this franchise at all. We might as well fold our tents, shut down this Board, & find some other lost cause to embrace.

And this is why Beal must go now.

He’s pushing for stars or near-stars or who-he-thinks-can-play guys to help him. But it’s unlikely that path brings success — unless TS can magically turn Westbrook into Simmons, and maybe Bertans and Someone (+ maybe a pick) into Someone Else Really Good Who Is Also Youngish. And maybe he can; he’s proven himself pretty crafty so far.

But you don’t deal Rui and Deni for the likes of Jerami Grant. For the likes of Anthony Davis, sure. A bonafide star. Or for a Michael Porter Jr. A guy on the verge. But nothing less than that.

Tommy Shepp has tried to win now and also build patiently for the future. And this week, it would appear, is revealing the folly of that. One or the other — but not both.

That’s why this is such a critical and important off-season — the biggest in years; the kind of off-season that affects the next three to five.

I want a future. And that is why Beal has to go. He’s not bigger than the team.

It’s a shame. But this is where we are now.

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How many times has a Boulez/Wizards draft night not been a disappointment? Kenny Green being the poster child for that.

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I think Juwan Howard is the poster child for draft disappointment. Can't do much worse than have your GM publicly lament having to pick you. John Nash came out, after we drafted Howard, and said he wished he could have drafted Jason Kidd instead. Ice cold, John Nash. Hilarious, but cold as ice.

Joke is on us, though, since Abe had to shell out $100 mil for Howard after the Heat shenanigans. It was maybe kinda worth it to hear the boos for Howard a few years later though, lol. Full circle, Juwan.

Being a DC basketball fan is to know pain.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Kispert goes 11 to the Hornets.
Garuba 18 to OKC.

Awful. Passing on Garuba to take Tre Murphy would be the most unimaginative, short sighted move I could think of.
Also... Springer going 30, Petrusev 42, and Queta 60!!!

I agree. There are several players similar to Murphy that will go later. Garuba is a harder to find type of player that can give you a competitive advantage. Not that Murphy isn't good and a needed type of player - it's just that you can get players lower in the draft that do what he does. Garuba adds some physical toughness that Murphy doesn't.

I'm on board with Garuba. If he's still there at 15 I'd be very happy with Garuba. Love the way he plays, and he's got upside.

I'm going with him and Jared Butler as my personal choices at 15. I think both will be able to contribute right away and still have good upside, high character, high IQ, team oriented, high motor, ability to defend and desire to defend, play the right way, court vision.

Who I want if we keep 15. 1A. Garuba or 1B. Butler. And that's my final answer.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

On a side note, if we do stay in the draft my preferred course of action is trade down with McBride and Wieskamp as my top targets. Plus I'd love to add a 2nd round big, either Sharpe or Queta.


But, I'm expecting us to trade 15 for a vet.

[Benjammin]

How many times has a Boulez/Wizards draft night not been a disappointment? Kenny Green being the poster child for that.

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Jan Vesely?

They drafted Kenny Green instead of Karl Malone because they needed a SF. So Vesely instead of perhaps Klay or Kawhi, as good as they have been, doesn't reach that level.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm on board with Garuba. If he's still there at 15 I'd be very happy with Garuba. Love the way he plays, and he's got upside.

I'm going with him and Jared Butler as my personal choices at 15. I think both will be able to contribute right away and still have good upside, high character, high IQ, team oriented, high motor, ability to defend and desire to defend, play the right way, court vision.

Who I want if we keep 15. 1A. Garuba or 1B. Butler. And that's my final answer.

Let's get it on record.

Ok everyone, if they stay at 15, who's your pick? Gotta be someone with reasonable chance to be on the board. And not who you think they'll pick, but who YOU want.

Give a 1st and 2nd choice.

I got Garuba & Butler.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Wizards brought in Kispert ....

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/former-gonzaga-wing-corey-kispert-talks-meeting-wizards?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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If we're keeping the band together: Trey Murphy
If we're blowing it up: I think I'd find it hard to pass up on Jalen Johnson's potential if available, but if he slips to 15 the background on his character probably wasn't good. We'll say Garuba.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Did the Wizards workout Jalen Johnson?

I have questions about his stability and character. His numbers, athletic ability and his defensive motor, I have zero problems with. Jalen Johnson plays like he MIGHT BECOME an NBA All Star.

Kispert is a really safe pick. So is Butler.

That said if the Wizards go to the dark side I think Jalen Johnson will be a very impactful player. He’s better than Advidja and he’s good at the things Rui isn’t prone to do. Johnson battles defensively and he’s bouncy like Gafford.