Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[pcbothwel]

I have for Beal options -

Boston - some combination of White/Brogdon/picks
Miami - Herro/Lowry
Dallas - salary plus their pick this year
Philly - Tobias Harris and picks
Orlando - Isaac plus picks
Maybe the Clippers?
Maybe the Knicks?

Those are all nice places to call home except maybe Orlando and I'm not sure how Beal feels about Dallas. Clippers and Knicks could cobble together packages that are probably good enough. I'd take any of these deals as long as 'picks' is one good first rounder or multiple first rounders if they're coming from a team like Boston or Philly.

Hopefully the new GM just tells him that we're going to rebuild and the list of teams that will actually want him will start to shrink if he waits another year. And if the COVID magnet is down for another 30 games, this list is half as long already.

On the general board trade thread, someone proposed a Jrue for Beal trade to give the Bucks a legit shot-creation perimeter option since Middleton no longer appears to be that guy. I thought it made a fair bit of sense from Milwaukee's perspective.

We have no need for Jrue here (he is even older than Beal) but it's an idea that may be interesting as part of a 3-way deal. If any of those scenarios you proposed above, if the team would prefer to receive Jrue instead of Beal, that may be feasible.

For example, how about this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st

Miami trades: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st
Miami receives: Jrue

Milwaukee trades: Jrue
Milwaukee receives: Beal

i dont see why Miami would want Jrue over Beal. Beal is 3 Full years younger and cant actually make a damn basket in a playoff game. Miami's issues are generating offense, and Jrue has a 40-game sample size of playoff games over the last 3 years with a TS of 47%...

I love the return though. Pick 18 this year gives us a legit prospect and that 2027 pick (Top 5 protected) could EASILY be in the lotto. In 2027, Beal and Butler will be in their mid & late 30's, and Pat will be in his 80's.

[nate33]

I have for Beal options -

Boston - some combination of White/Brogdon/picks
Miami - Herro/Lowry
Dallas - salary plus their pick this year
Philly - Tobias Harris and picks
Orlando - Isaac plus picks
Maybe the Clippers?
Maybe the Knicks?

Those are all nice places to call home except maybe Orlando and I'm not sure how Beal feels about Dallas. Clippers and Knicks could cobble together packages that are probably good enough. I'd take any of these deals as long as 'picks' is one good first rounder or multiple first rounders if they're coming from a team like Boston or Philly.

Hopefully the new GM just tells him that we're going to rebuild and the list of teams that will actually want him will start to shrink if he waits another year. And if the COVID magnet is down for another 30 games, this list is half as long already.

On the general board trade thread, someone proposed a Jrue for Beal trade to give the Bucks a legit shot-creation perimeter option since Middleton no longer appears to be that guy. I thought it made a fair bit of sense from Milwaukee's perspective.

We have no need for Jrue here (he is even older than Beal) but it's an idea that may be interesting as part of a 3-way deal. If any of those scenarios you proposed above, if the team would prefer to receive Jrue instead of Beal, that may be feasible.

For example, how about this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st

Miami trades: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st
Miami receives: Jrue

Milwaukee trades: Jrue
Milwaukee receives: Beal

i dont see why Miami would want Jrue over Beal. Beal is 3 Full years younger and cant actually make a damn basket in a playoff game. Miami's issues are generating offense, and Jrue has a 40-game sample size of playoff games over the last 3 years with a TS of 47%...

I love the return though. Pick 18 this year gives us a legit prospect and that 2027 pick (Top 5 protected) could EASILY be in the lotto. In 2027, Beal and Butler will be in their mid & late 30's, and Pat will be in his 80's.

My thinking is that Miami's time horizon is the same as Jimmy Butler's, so the age difference between Jrue and Beal is irrelevant to them. Also, Jrue is a bit cheaper. And finally, this deal doesn't result in Miami giving up Herro, so with Herro still in the fold, I think they'd prefer the defense of Jrue over the additional offense of Beal.

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IMO, Milwaukee cuts us out of that deal -- i.e. prefers Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo & the picks to Beal.

[nate33]

IMO, Milwaukee cuts out of that deal -- i.e. prefers Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo & the picks to Beal.

There's no way in the world that Milwaukee would prefer future picks and Jovic to Beal. Milwaukee is trying to win now before Giannis elects to depart. Lowry is over-the-hill and won't help at all in that endeavor; and nor will the picks.

I don't know if Milwaukee would prefer Beal over Jrue, but I do know they would prefer Beal over Jovic, Lowry and picks.

[pcbothwel]

Nate. They need someone to take the usage off of Jimmy as he ages. Jrue is starting to age quickly.
And they were last in the league in Pts/game. They NEED a legit scorer.
Either way, we end up with the same haul.

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IMO, Milwaukee cuts out of that deal -- i.e. prefers Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo & the picks to Beal.

There's no way in the world that Milwaukee would prefer future picks and Jovic to Beal. Milwaukee is trying to win now before Giannis elects to depart. Lowry is over-the-hill and won't help at all in that endeavor; and nor will the picks.

I don't know if Milwaukee would prefer Beal over Jrue, but I do know they would prefer Beal over Jovic, Lowry and picks.

Fair point.
But, my unstated premise was that Milwaukee is in something of a pickle.

They were just eliminated in R1.
They have only 8 guys on their roster for next year.
Those 8 salaries alone get them to within $4.3m of the lux tax.

Replace Jrue w/ Beal, & they are $7m into lux tax territory for 8 players. Hard to see why they'd want to make a move like that.

[nate33]

Nate. They need someone to take the usage off of Jimmy as he ages. Jrue is starting to age quickly.
And they were last in the league in Pts/game. They NEED a legit scorer.
Either way, we end up with the same haul.

Those are fair points. I'm not sure who they would prefer between Beal and Jrue. My main point is that the Jrue situation at least adds an interesting wrinkle to any Beal trades. The possibility exists that our trade partner may prefer Jrue over Beal, and if that's the case, we might be able to accommodate them. Obviously, it doesn't really matter from our perspective. The return is the same.

[nate33]

IMO, Milwaukee cuts out of that deal -- i.e. prefers Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo & the picks to Beal.

There's no way in the world that Milwaukee would prefer future picks and Jovic to Beal. Milwaukee is trying to win now before Giannis elects to depart. Lowry is over-the-hill and won't help at all in that endeavor; and nor will the picks.

I don't know if Milwaukee would prefer Beal over Jrue, but I do know they would prefer Beal over Jovic, Lowry and picks.

Fair point.
But, my unstated premise was that Milwaukee is in something of a pickle.

They were just eliminated in R1.
They have only 8 guys on their roster for next year.
Those 8 salaries alone get them to within $4.3m of the lux tax.

Replace Jrue w/ Beal, & they are $7m into lux tax territory for 8 players. Hard to see why they'd want to make a move like that.

My guess is that Milwaukee runs it back with minimal changes, but possibly with a new coach. It's real tough to see how they can trade any of Middleton, Lopez or Jrue and end up with a better team than they have now.

[nate33]

I have for Beal options -

Boston - some combination of White/Brogdon/picks
Miami - Herro/Lowry
Dallas - salary plus their pick this year
Philly - Tobias Harris and picks
Orlando - Isaac plus picks
Maybe the Clippers?
Maybe the Knicks?

It's interesting when you think about it. A month ago, I thought most Beal trades were far fetched. But as soon as a team gets eliminated from the playoffs they have a tendency to panic and suddenly those Beal trades look plausible.

I never would have considered Beal to Milwaukee a week ago, but now it's interesting. Beal to Dallas is certainly plausible (if Dallas had anything to trade). And Beal to the Clippers is plausible.

And if the Sixers, Celtics or Heat have a bad showing in the 2nd round where they are unable to score, I'm sure Beal will start to look interesting to them too.

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There's no way in the world that Milwaukee would prefer future picks and Jovic to Beal. Milwaukee is trying to win now before Giannis elects to depart. Lowry is over-the-hill and won't help at all in that endeavor; and nor will the picks.

I don't know if Milwaukee would prefer Beal over Jrue, but I do know they would prefer Beal over Jovic, Lowry and picks.

Fair point.
But, my unstated premise was that Milwaukee is in something of a pickle.

They were just eliminated in R1.
They have only 8 guys on their roster for next year.
Those 8 salaries alone get them to within $4.3m of the lux tax.

Replace Jrue w/ Beal, & they are $7m into lux tax territory for 8 players. Hard to see why they'd want to make a move like that.

My guess is that Milwaukee runs it back with minimal changes, but possibly with a new coach. It's real tough to see how they can trade any of Middleton, Lopez or Jrue and end up with a better team than they have now.

Another look & I realize the Bucks are in a much tougher spot than I had recognized: they were in the luxury tax in both '21-22 & this last season. I don't see a way they can stay out of tax territory this year.

The repeater penalties are going to be astronomical. & their market is... Milwaukee.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

As far as a Beal trade goes. Unless Beal knows for sure that this will be a rebuild (we trade Porzingis). I don't think he will want to move (quite yet).

Brad wants to become Bullets/Wizards all-time leading scorer and pass the Big E Elvin Hayes next season.

I agree.

Maxey is quicker, younger, and IMO better than clutch turnover Beal.

Brad was plenty clutch in 2022-23... with his shooting. But yeah he and Tatum were the highest turnover guys in the clutch I believe.

I'm comparing Maxey now to what Beal was about 5 years ago. In a couple years Maxey will put up similar if not better numbers; even though he already does.

In the same ways Dat2U just sees talent, some of the time I think I foresee something. Maxey is like SGA and Trae Young and D'Aaron
Fox. They're quicker than Bradley Beal. Jalen Brunson is better in the lane. Bradley has a killer step-back and his midrange shot is pure. Beal lacks the most elite handle and quickness. I think he's merely very good

Going all the way back to the day he was drafted I recall saying trade back for Lillard. Well, I was wrong. I didn't even expect a very good player from Beal. Right now I'm just hating his contract.

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There's no way in the world that Milwaukee would prefer future picks and Jovic to Beal. Milwaukee is trying to win now before Giannis elects to depart. Lowry is over-the-hill and won't help at all in that endeavor; and nor will the picks.

I don't know if Milwaukee would prefer Beal over Jrue, but I do know they would prefer Beal over Jovic, Lowry and picks.

Fair point.
But, my unstated premise was that Milwaukee is in something of a pickle.

They were just eliminated in R1.
They have only 8 guys on their roster for next year.
Those 8 salaries alone get them to within $4.3m of the lux tax.

Replace Jrue w/ Beal, & they are $7m into lux tax territory for 8 players. Hard to see why they'd want to make a move like that.

My guess is that Milwaukee runs it back with minimal changes, but possibly with a new coach. It's real tough to see how they can trade any of Middleton, Lopez or Jrue and end up with a better team than they have now.

Having just been eliminated pretty handily in R1, while looking at very hefty 3d-year luxury tax penalty payments, don't you think they have quite a strong incentive to make some big changes?

In any case, it's hard to see how they would be able to addd the extra $12m Brad would cost over Jrue. All of that will be money in the luxury tax -- the $12m might cost @$30m, no?

[DCZards]

Having just been eliminated pretty handily in R1, while looking at very hefty 3d-year luxury tax penalty payments, don't you think they have quite a strong incentive to make some big changes?

In any case, it's hard to see how they would be able to addd the extra $12m Brad would cost over Jrue. All of that will be money in the luxury tax -- the $12m might cost @$30m, no?

I don’t see why the Bucks would look to make “big changes” when they won more regular season games than any team in the NBA. And that’s with Middleton playing just 33 games.

You could argue that if Giannis hadn’t missed 3 games (he played just 10 mins in one of them) the Bucks would be advancing and not the Heat.

The lux tax is another matter…I wouldn’t rule out them trading Jrue or Middleton. Beal would be a great fit next to Giannis.

[9 and 20]

As great as Giannis is, I have a hard time seeing Beal and Mrs. Beal signing off on going to Milwaukee. It would be a great fit for him though.

[AFM]

As great as Giannis is, I have a hard time seeing Beal and Mrs. Beal signing off on going to Milwaukee. It would be a great fit for him though.

You never know. The real chance of winning a championship could definitely be a factor. And I think playing next to Giannis would be great for Beal's career. He's not a no. 1 guy.

[gambitx777]

The bucks have nothing at all to offer us for Beal.
Middleton is an expiring if he picks up the player option. But is Beal that big of an upgrade over him? Idk but they don't have the contracts to make that trade until the deal line and they can trade a first till 2028. Bucks are really bad trad partners cuz they would have to gut the team to get Beal and they can't even do that till the deal line. I less you trade Middleton which isn't easy to do in the summer cuz if he gets wind of that he's just gonna bolt.
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[pcbothwel]

Having just been eliminated pretty handily in R1, while looking at very hefty 3d-year luxury tax penalty payments, don't you think they have quite a strong incentive to make some big changes?

In any case, it's hard to see how they would be able to addd the extra $12m Brad would cost over Jrue. All of that will be money in the luxury tax -- the $12m might cost @$30m, no?

I don’t see why the Bucks would look to make “big changes” when they won more regular season games than any team in the NBA. And that’s with Middleton playing just 33 games.

You could argue that if Giannis hadn’t missed 3 games (he played just 10 mins in one of them) the Bucks would be advancing and not the Heat.

The lux tax is another matter…I wouldn’t rule out them trading Jrue or Middleton. Beal would be a great fit next to Giannis.

Now that I think about, I think I would stay put if I’m the bucks. They can open up a max spot next offseason. Jaylen Brown?

[payitforward]

Who owns the Bucks?
You guys are spending his money with great abandon!

[Dat2U]

Fair point.
But, my unstated premise was that Milwaukee is in something of a pickle.

They were just eliminated in R1.
They have only 8 guys on their roster for next year.
Those 8 salaries alone get them to within $4.3m of the lux tax.

Replace Jrue w/ Beal, & they are $7m into lux tax territory for 8 players. Hard to see why they'd want to make a move like that.

My guess is that Milwaukee runs it back with minimal changes, but possibly with a new coach. It's real tough to see how they can trade any of Middleton, Lopez or Jrue and end up with a better team than they have now.

Having just been eliminated pretty handily in R1, while looking at very hefty 3d-year luxury tax penalty payments, don't you think they have quite a strong incentive to make some big changes?

In any case, it's hard to see how they would be able to addd the extra $12m Brad would cost over Jrue. All of that will be money in the luxury tax -- the $12m might cost @$30m, no?

They have to keep Giannis happy. Taking a step back, cutting salary and retooling is not an option unless they are willing to let Giannis walk.

[nate33]

You could argue that if Giannis hadn’t missed 3 games (he played just 10 mins in one of them) the Bucks would be advancing and not the Heat.

Let's not forget what actually happened though. They won one of the games he missed and lost all the games he played.

I think the big issue in the series was coaching. Bud puts together a great system, but he is notoriously inflexible. He just never made the adjustments to counter the things Spo was doing. In particular, they never really doubled Butler to force him to give up the ball.

I think it's almost a sure thing that Bud is gone. I think the take will be that they have what it takes to win a title if they have better playoff coaching. So basically, they're going to run it back with the same personnel.