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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#361 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:17 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Dat, Andray was born in August, 1986.

He is young.

He is big.

He is skilled.

I think he's got too much size, too many moves under the basket, and far too good a contract to trade him away. Maturity and character issues aside, I'm seeing a future with him at C and McGee at PF. That future is bright.

Let him stay stuck on stupid at least another 1 or 2 before you even think of trading him.

Nick Young, on the other hand, is a guy I'd trade. He can much more easily be replaced than Blatche.

I agree with your entire post except for being willing to trade Nick Young.

I'm not nearly as down on him as some of you guys are.

Then again, I'm pretty patient when it comes to young players.


FWIW I'd like to wait and see on Young, too, unless the Wizards could package him for a star at SG like Vince Carter.
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Post#362 » by keynote » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:55 am

I'm not suggesting that we ship Blatche on the first thing moving out of town. But, we've been talking this "wait and see" talk with him for a while now. If he puts in another inconsistent season, then I think the "on the cusp" tag will have finally worn off. So to me, there's a window where Blatche will net his maximum trade value, before it starts to wane.

If EG decides to stick with Blatche, I won't complain: he's a capable part of a playoff-quality roster rotation. But, I'm more comfortable with trading Blatche this year than I was last year, what with (a) his continued display of bad habits, and (b) our acquisition of another young project.
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Post#363 » by doclinkin » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:58 am

Dat2U wrote:If I had to rate the Wizards prospects thus far I'd say this is the order:

1. C Javale McGee
2. PF/C Andray Blatche- He's likely to continue to tease and tantalize for years to come.
3. SG Nick Young - He's another tease & tantalize type prospect who will likely never fully put it together. He can definitely score, but is he willing to do anything else?
4. SF Dominic McGuire - he's got all the requiste gifts you'd want to see in a potential defensive stopper on the perimeter. Long, athletic, quick feet and the willingness to hustle. His best attribute right now is probably rebounding. He just needs some court time in the regular season to develop confidence that he can truly play at this level.
5. PF/C Oleksiy Pecherov - he does show alot of effort in chasing rebounds, he often comes up empty handed in that regard.
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Andray Blatche may be our best option in terms of trade bait.
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Dominic McGuire has the ability to be a solid defensive role player down the line. His offense is what's holding him back. I'm willing to give him another year to develop the confidence to get there.
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Oleksiy Pecherov is a bust.


I agree with your order, but have a slightly more positive outlook on all of them. Surprise surprise, right?

1. JVMcG. Really is a surprising package of long and fast. With his mother running the show he's gonna demand and command a pretty sizeable contract once his rookie deal is up. Even young and confused though, he's already threatening Etan's job. His huge hands and ups make him like a funnel over the basket and turn shotjacking misses into accidental assists. If he were on a young rebuilding team he'd be in the conversation for rookie of the year. Wouldn't win, but he'd be in there.

2. I expect Blatche will continue to steadily improve, albeit more slowly than we'd like. He needs better actual strength and better conditioning, but he's just started to work out. It takes a couple years to really see long term integrated muscle and fitness at a high level. He's remarkably coordinated for his size, but not a natural athlete. His best motivation seems to be potential embarrassment, since he'll be playing a ton with Brendan out I fully expect him to try harder, prepare better. He can go one of two ways, he can lean out and get swifter as you suggest, or he can hit the plates and hulk out a bit. Either or both will help. He needs better strength to finish with confidence around the basket.

It's a positive sign though that the coach is riding him about it. Dave Johnson (or was it Buck?) one of them said every day in practice Eddie asks Dray "Is it a blessing or a curse?" talking about his talent and potential. In other words: can you live up to the expectations? If he knows people are watching and counting on him, it may keep him focussed. Having players younger than him will make him take the veteran role. He doesn't want to disappoint his teammates whatever his tendency to make bad decisions on his own. Remember he didn't play organized ball until midway thru highschool and at age 22 he's the 2nd youngest on the team. Even the college kids don't have a real impact in the league until their 3rd year. Last year was the first time he earned consistent play time and he played pretty well.

Andray Blatche at age 25 will be a solid and skilled rotation player. It's possible he may not have the internal drive and ability to max out his ultimate potential, but in part because his high end possibilities are a pretty tall shelf to reach.

3. Nick Young can score, even when guarded. Fade away, split the D on the trap, pull-up and score. He still hasn't finished in traffic much. At times this team can't make a basket to save their life. A bail-out scorer is a necessary role -- especially with Gil injured. You put more pressure on the opponent to work at the defensive end, it affects their energy level at the offensive end as well. Ditto your own team. It's up to the coaches to know when to use that 6th man type weapon, especially if Nick doesn't have the judgment to know for himself. But it's a positive weapon to have. I just wanted him playing next to Daniels though who can figure out when to feed him the ball.

4. EJ thinks enough of Dom that he's been playing him at 2-guard every game this preseason for at least a few minutes. Offense will come once opponents forget about him and leave him open shots, but that won't happen until Nick is oncourt and Dom is at SF next to a real point guard, (or Juan on a good night). He's built the lean fitness that Dray needs, that's a good thing, and with his new baby he seems suddenly mature enough to treat this thing like a fulltime job. I still want him to build muscle to finish at the rim, but his rebounding is prodigious, a game changing skill and a need o this team.

5. Reserving judgment on Pech. While lowering expectations. He had one year while swiss-cheesed with injury, and was injured over the summer as well. If he's injury prone well yeah he won't even play in Europe, but if not, still there's room for the size and that single skill if he develops consistency. He still has to improve a ton to even be a defensive upgrade for Jamison, which iis a damning statement. But he's cheap and tall, and better than many a 15th man.

Overall my feeling is the youth on the Whites team has the raw athletes to compete with any starting team out there. And lose most match-ups, true, but they can run uptempo and score and tire 'em out, and can outperform many a bench just on enthusiasm.

On offense anyway their roles are clear, with good synergy, a few minutes a night:
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JDix -- the veteran version, with better judgment in a PG role.
Nick -- running ahead of the outlet pass and finishing on the break, but starved of the ball until he's in the right spot.
Dom -- defending the better perimeter player and poaching rebounds from the bigs.
Dray -- too tall for most 4's/ too quick for most Bigs. A decent passer for a Big (to Nick and McGee) and a solid rebounder when he decides that's his role.
JVMcg -- cleaning up any shotjacking from the perimeter, catching passes from Juan, Dom, Dray.

All can run the outlet, most can pass. You have inside and outside bailout scorers (Nick and JVMcg) surrounded by roleplayers. The Defense has holes, but a ton of size and athletics in every position (except PG). A few plays per game they'll make good stops by accident. Already Javale changes shots by proximity alone. And every good shotblocker needs a rebounder behind them for all the non-deflected shots that miss anyway because of altered trajectory and fear. Dray + Dom can fill that role, and even Dom can block shots.

And incidentally if they decide to keep him, the three useful skills Dee Brown has shown are: 1) pesky defense running around players feet like a yapping chihuahua and disrupting the ballhandlers; 2) pushing uptempo to feed JaVale (if nobody else); 3) rebounding long bounces. It's an overlooked (pun) aspect of his gameplay in preseason. He's not scared to dart in among the trees and dig out a ball, and can still get upcourt first even if he snatched a loose ball in the paint. Can't hit the broad side of a barn most times, and doesn't pass like a true point, but he is fast-- so far that's as advertised.

The risk of course being if we keep both Dee and Juan we may go ultra-small for a shot of 'energy'. Then stick with it a little too long. I'd rather live with Nick's mistakes.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#364 » by ZonkertheBrainless » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:38 am

Wow, how about Dee Brown pushing the ball ahead of everybody, pulling up with three defenders in front of him, and making a sweet bounce pass... behind Blatche and right to the other team's player? Ugh. What a waste of speed.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#365 » by LyricalRico » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:38 pm

keynote wrote:I'm not suggesting that we ship Blatche on the first thing moving out of town. But, we've been talking this "wait and see" talk with him for a while now. If he puts in another inconsistent season, then I think the "on the cusp" tag will have finally worn off. So to me, there's a window where Blatche will net his maximum trade value, before it starts to wane.


Agree 100%. Blatche has to show that he's "arrived" this year. Otherwise he's fair game in the trade market IMO. The thing is, I think he's still young enough and his deal is reasonable enough that he'll still carry enough value to tip the scales in a deal for a star.

If EJ plays it right, we could indeed find a silver lining in the Haywood injury. Not in wins and losses but in seeing what Blatche and McGee have to offer this team. Eddie can't be afraid to give McGee minutes if Blatche/Etan aren't getting it done. And if McGee does end up stealing minutes from Blatche, that will be the most damning evidence of all that Dray isn't ready for the big-time. It would really put into question his mentality because he should see this as a chance to bury the rookie on the bench and confirm his place among the starters.

All of that being said, I'm still not in a rush to trade Blatche. I'd much rather use Nick Young and our future picks to dump Etan/Songaila and use Blatche as a PF/C off the bench for the rest of his contract. At worst, Blatche will be a 7 and 5 guy off the bench who will block some shots, dish some assists, and has the potential to explode for 15-20 in any given game. That's better than any of our current reserve bigs.
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Post#366 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:25 pm

doclinkin wrote:
I agree with your order, but have a slightly more positive outlook on all of them. Surprise surprise, right?

1. JVMcG. Really is a surprising package of long and fast. With his mother running the show he's gonna demand and command a pretty sizeable contract once his rookie deal is up. Even young and confused though, he's already threatening Etan's job. His huge hands and ups make him like a funnel over the basket and turn shotjacking misses into accidental assists. If he were on a young rebuilding team he'd be in the conversation for rookie of the year. Wouldn't win, but he'd be in there.

2. I expect Blatche will continue to steadily improve, albeit more slowly than we'd like. He needs better actual strength and better conditioning, but he's just started to work out. It takes a couple years to really see long term integrated muscle and fitness at a high level. He's remarkably coordinated for his size, but not a natural athlete. His best motivation seems to be potential embarrassment, since he'll be playing a ton with Brendan out I fully expect him to try harder, prepare better. He can go one of two ways, he can lean out and get swifter as you suggest, or he can hit the plates and hulk out a bit. Either or both will help. He needs better strength to finish with confidence around the basket.

It's a positive sign though that the coach is riding him about it. Dave Johnson (or was it Buck?) one of them said every day in practice Eddie asks Dray "Is it a blessing or a curse?" talking about his talent and potential. In other words: can you live up to the expectations? If he knows people are watching and counting on him, it may keep him focussed. Having players younger than him will make him take the veteran role. He doesn't want to disappoint his teammates whatever his tendency to make bad decisions on his own. Remember he didn't play organized ball until midway thru highschool and at age 22 he's the 2nd youngest on the team. Even the college kids don't have a real impact in the league until their 3rd year. Last year was the first time he earned consistent play time and he played pretty well.

Andray Blatche at age 25 will be a solid and skilled rotation player. It's possible he may not have the internal drive and ability to max out his ultimate potential, but in part because his high end possibilities are a pretty tall shelf to reach.

3. Nick Young can score, even when guarded. Fade away, split the D on the trap, pull-up and score. He still hasn't finished in traffic much. At times this team can't make a basket to save their life. A bail-out scorer is a necessary role -- especially with Gil injured. You put more pressure on the opponent to work at the defensive end, it affects their energy level at the offensive end as well. Ditto your own team. It's up to the coaches to know when to use that 6th man type weapon, especially if Nick doesn't have the judgment to know for himself. But it's a positive weapon to have. I just wanted him playing next to Daniels though who can figure out when to feed him the ball.

4. EJ thinks enough of Dom that he's been playing him at 2-guard every game this preseason for at least a few minutes. Offense will come once opponents forget about him and leave him open shots, but that won't happen until Nick is oncourt and Dom is at SF next to a real point guard, (or Juan on a good night). He's built the lean fitness that Dray needs, that's a good thing, and with his new baby he seems suddenly mature enough to treat this thing like a fulltime job. I still want him to build muscle to finish at the rim, but his rebounding is prodigious, a game changing skill and a need o this team.

5. Reserving judgment on Pech. While lowering expectations. He had one year while swiss-cheesed with injury, and was injured over the summer as well. If he's injury prone well yeah he won't even play in Europe, but if not, still there's room for the size and that single skill if he develops consistency. He still has to improve a ton to even be a defensive upgrade for Jamison, which iis a damning statement. But he's cheap and tall, and better than many a 15th man.

Overall my feeling is the youth on the Whites team has the raw athletes to compete with any starting team out there. And lose most match-ups, true, but they can run uptempo and score and tire 'em out, and can outperform many a bench just on enthusiasm.

On offense anyway their roles are clear, with good synergy, a few minutes a night:
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JDix -- the veteran version, with better judgment in a PG role.
Nick -- running ahead of the outlet pass and finishing on the break, but starved of the ball until he's in the right spot.
Dom -- defending the better perimeter player and poaching rebounds from the bigs.
Dray -- too tall for most 4's/ too quick for most Bigs. A decent passer for a Big (to Nick and McGee) and a solid rebounder when he decides that's his role.
JVMcg -- cleaning up any shotjacking from the perimeter, catching passes from Juan, Dom, Dray.

All can run the outlet, most can pass. You have inside and outside bailout scorers (Nick and JVMcg) surrounded by roleplayers. The Defense has holes, but a ton of size and athletics in every position (except PG). A few plays per game they'll make good stops by accident. Already Javale changes shots by proximity alone. And every good shotblocker needs a rebounder behind them for all the non-deflected shots that miss anyway because of altered trajectory and fear. Dray + Dom can fill that role, and even Dom can block shots.

And incidentally if they decide to keep him, the three useful skills Dee Brown has shown are: 1) pesky defense running around players feet like a yapping chihuahua and disrupting the ballhandlers; 2) pushing uptempo to feed JaVale (if nobody else); 3) rebounding long bounces. It's an overlooked (pun) aspect of his gameplay in preseason. He's not scared to dart in among the trees and dig out a ball, and can still get upcourt first even if he snatched a loose ball in the paint. Can't hit the broad side of a barn most times, and doesn't pass like a true point, but he is fast-- so far that's as advertised.

The risk of course being if we keep both Dee and Juan we may go ultra-small for a shot of 'energy'. Then stick with it a little too long. I'd rather live with Nick's mistakes.


doc, with Dixon showing more PG skills and with McGuire being able to defend the perimeter and rebound I could envision this lineup being pretty effective:

Dixon, McGuire, Butler, Jamison, and McGee

Surround Butler and Jamison with two athletes who can rebound and get tip ins or dunks, and also have Juan Dixon who can score in bunches. McGee and McGuire both compete on the defensive end and just the effort should generate some transition baskets for the Wizards.
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Post#367 » by keynote » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:29 am

doclinkin wrote:
I agree with your order, but have a slightly more positive outlook on all of them. Surprise surprise, right?

2. I expect Blatche will continue to steadily improve, albeit more slowly than we'd like. He needs better actual strength and better conditioning, but he's just started to work out. It takes a couple years to really see long term integrated muscle and fitness at a high level. He's remarkably coordinated for his size, but not a natural athlete. His best motivation seems to be potential embarrassment, since he'll be playing a ton with Brendan out I fully expect him to try harder, prepare better. He can go one of two ways, he can lean out and get swifter as you suggest, or he can hit the plates and hulk out a bit. Either or both will help. He needs better strength to finish with confidence around the basket.


See, it's the lack of conditioning that bothers me more than anything else. I don't expect a 22 year old to be as savvy, as skilled, or as strong as a 27 year-old. But there's no excuse for Blatche's lack of cardiovascular conditioning. Wizards veterans are fitness fiends--Jamison, Haywood, Butler, Gil, and Daniels are all highly conditioned athletes. Songaila ain't quick, but he's rarely winded. There's no excuse for Blatche to show up for mini-camp out of shape.

It's possible he may not have the internal drive and ability to max out his ultimate potential, but in part because his high end possibilities are a pretty tall shelf to reach.


Unfortunately, I'm starting to think it's *likely*. :(
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Post#368 » by Induveca » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:24 am

The biggest bonus to me, is his father was an NBA player. His mother was a WNBA player (he is the only son of a WNBA player to ever make it to the NBA).

When a lot of these guys talk to their parents after the game they get soccer mom type advice (run faster, hustle!!!). I suspect throughout the entire preseason/summer camp McGee is getting far more interesting, blunt advice from his parents. His family may prove to be better coaches than EJ will ever be, and best part he'll be attentive and not get offended.

If there was ever a kid we need not worry about being a headcase or not putting in his work, it would likely be McGee. From what I've seen early on, up until yesterday he has already improved by leaps and bounds.

Good pick (fingers crossed). Let's hope he drives Blatche to improve, and keep his golden child status with the team. Also, I fully expect Nick Young to blossom into a Richard Hamilton type player. Let's hope EJ figures out how to run some Reggie Miller type screen plays for him. IMO it's all he needs to be a big success.
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Post#369 » by Induveca » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:28 am

keynote wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
I agree with your order, but have a slightly more positive outlook on all of them. Surprise surprise, right?

2. I expect Blatche will continue to steadily improve, albeit more slowly than we'd like. He needs better actual strength and better conditioning, but he's just started to work out. It takes a couple years to really see long term integrated muscle and fitness at a high level. He's remarkably coordinated for his size, but not a natural athlete. His best motivation seems to be potential embarrassment, since he'll be playing a ton with Brendan out I fully expect him to try harder, prepare better. He can go one of two ways, he can lean out and get swifter as you suggest, or he can hit the plates and hulk out a bit. Either or both will help. He needs better strength to finish with confidence around the basket.


See, it's the lack of conditioning that bothers me more than anything else. I don't expect a 22 year old to be as savvy, as skilled, or as strong as a 27 year-old. But there's no excuse for Blatche's lack of cardiovascular conditioning. Wizards veterans are fitness fiends--Jamison, Haywood, Butler, Gil, and Daniels are all highly conditioned athletes. Songaila ain't quick, but he's rarely winded. There's no excuse for Blatche to show up for mini-camp out of shape.

It's possible he may not have the internal drive and ability to max out his ultimate potential, but in part because his high end possibilities are a pretty tall shelf to reach.


Unfortunately, I'm starting to think it's *likely*. :(


Blatche is too busy partying in South Beach during the offseason.
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Post#370 » by keynote » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:11 am

According to Ivan, McGee might be in the running for the starting role(!):
Etan Thomas, back after missing all of last season with a heart ailment, started the first four games of the preseason and was expected to assume the role in Haywood's absence, but when asked yesterday if Thomas would be the starting center against New Jersey on Oct. 29, Jordan said, "Don't know yet."

McGee was a surprise starter in the Wizards' 96-80 loss to New Orleans on Friday, and he responded with 15 points, two rebounds and two blocked shots in 21 minutes. McGee also collected a fan in Hornets all-star point guard Chris Paul, who said McGee belongs "in that Dwight Howard category" of athleticism after McGee blocked one of Paul's shots in the third quarter.
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Jordan said he still likes the veteran Thomas's force, Blatche's skill and versatility and Songaila's shooting ability and knowledge of the offense. But McGee forced Jordan to pay him more attention in the Wizards' second preseason game against Memphis, an 89-80 win in which McGee scored 20 points on 8-of-12 shooting with eight rebounds and three blocks. McGee had two uneven performances against Detroit and New Orleans before Jordan decided to give McGee a look with the starters.

"Like I said, 'Knock, knock. Somebody is at the door, guys,' " Jordan said. "The opportunity is going to be there. If it opens up, be careful. Watch out, because he's progressing."



I doubt he'll actually end up starting, but it looks like he might be playing his way into the rotation.
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Post#371 » by MJG » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:32 am

Heh I like the list of the positives of each of the candidates:

+ McGee: athleticism
+ Songaila: shooting ability, smarts
+ Blatche: skill set, versatility
+ Etan: FORCE!

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Post#372 » by doclinkin » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:29 pm

keynote wrote:
See, it's the lack of conditioning that bothers me more than anything else. I don't expect a 22 year old to be as savvy, as skilled, or as strong as a 27 year-old. But there's no excuse for Blatche's lack of cardiovascular conditioning. Wizards veterans are fitness fiends--Jamison, Haywood, Butler, Gil, and Daniels are all highly conditioned athletes. Songaila ain't quick, but he's rarely winded. There's no excuse for Blatche to show up for mini-camp out of shape.

It's possible he may not have the internal drive and ability to max out his ultimate potential, but in part because his high end possibilities are a pretty tall shelf to reach.


Unfortunately, I'm starting to think it's *likely*. :(


Well there's one real excuse. In all probability he has diminished lung capacity due to scar tissue in his lungs from the bullet wound that passed three inches away from his heart. The oxygen load of a long-limbed 7 footer is already beyond what most people have to handle. Some part of a player's natural 'motor' is physiology, they have the capacity to work. That's why I say Dray's coordinated but not necessarily athletic.

Caron Butler is a natural athlete, you see how quickly he leans up just by changing his diet. Daniels, ditto. Jamison can't do anything about those duckpin legs of his but takes muscle well everywhere else. And as far as operation under oxygen debt, Take a look at a biomechanical marvels like Michael Phelps or Lance Armstrong, these guys have larger torso depth and length for their overall body size. Some people are just built to take on work. Bigs are often more easily winded.

Add to that the bullet wound, and possibly a tendency to keloid (dark skinned brothers seem to be more susceptible to scar tissue) and yeah he's got excuses. You can still develop better fitness and overcome the hurdle with fanatical dedication, (See Thomas, Etan, and his cracked sternum. He's pretty far along in his recovery given that they split his shell like a lobster).

Just don't forget the kid lost a year to a DC Bandit with twin holes in his windbag, front and back. And ever since has been steadily on the improve adding more minutes and better PER. If he's late to the weight room having just discovered it,-- fine maybe he'll start to built heft and lean fitness. But (health allowing) no matter what he'll be earning more minutes, which can only help his fitness, and game preparation and mindset. And maturation as a player.

Maybe next offseason he adds a go-to move in the post.
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Post#373 » by nate33 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:18 pm

keynote wrote:According to Ivan, McGee might be in the running for the starting role(!):
Etan Thomas, back after missing all of last season with a heart ailment, started the first four games of the preseason and was expected to assume the role in Haywood's absence, but when asked yesterday if Thomas would be the starting center against New Jersey on Oct. 29, Jordan said, "Don't know yet."

McGee was a surprise starter in the Wizards' 96-80 loss to New Orleans on Friday, and he responded with 15 points, two rebounds and two blocked shots in 21 minutes. McGee also collected a fan in Hornets all-star point guard Chris Paul, who said McGee belongs "in that Dwight Howard category" of athleticism after McGee blocked one of Paul's shots in the third quarter.
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Jordan said he still likes the veteran Thomas's force, Blatche's skill and versatility and Songaila's shooting ability and knowledge of the offense. But McGee forced Jordan to pay him more attention in the Wizards' second preseason game against Memphis, an 89-80 win in which McGee scored 20 points on 8-of-12 shooting with eight rebounds and three blocks. McGee had two uneven performances against Detroit and New Orleans before Jordan decided to give McGee a look with the starters.

"Like I said, 'Knock, knock. Somebody is at the door, guys,' " Jordan said. "The opportunity is going to be there. If it opens up, be careful. Watch out, because he's progressing."



I doubt he'll actually end up starting, but it looks like he might be playing his way into the rotation.

This is typical EG. I'd say the odds are 90% in favor of Etan starting because EJ tends to value experience and familiarity. But there's no need to announce the starting rotation this early unless one player is clearly head-and-shoulders above the rest. Better to give the youngsters inspiration and the vets a reason to avoid complacency.
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Post#374 » by crackhed » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:07 pm

Dat2U wrote:My bottom line:

Javale McGee is a keeper. Although he's extremely raw, he needs to see minutes this year, especially with Wood out of the mix for probably the entire season.

Andray Blatche may be our best option in terms of trade bait. Packaging him with another prosect and some contracts may bring a nice asset into our mix. I just think he's too immature to ever be a consistent threat or to be a real difference maker. Some other GM's will love his talent & skillset though. I believe he may be valued by other teams around the league.

I've never been much of a Nick Young fan and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. At best he may become a Jamal Crawford type without the PG skills but that's a below average SG in my book. He's also trade bait IMO.

Dominic McGuire has the ability to be a solid defensive role player down the line. His offense is what's holding him back. I'm willing to give him another year to develop the confidence to get there.

Oleksiy Pecherov is a bust. A 15th man at best, a victory cigar to be used only in blowouts. A guy that lasts as long as he's under his rookie contract. He possess no real trade value, only as trade filler.

- agree about mcgee. if the reports about his work ethic and coachability are accurate, then ej should give the fella more time on the court.

- imo the coaches should encourage andray to focus on fewer aspects of his game to develop first, and then broaden the skillset afterwards. at the moment the coaches cant rely on him night in night out because he hasnt locked down any part of his game reliably.

- havent given up completely on nick just yet, however he desperately needs to improve his ability to play within the offense and improve his man defense.

- agree about dominic & pech.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#375 » by doclinkin » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:58 pm

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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#376 » by miller31time » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:59 pm

Well at least we'd never lose a tip-off or jump-ball with McGee. That's extra possessions for the Wizards.

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Post#377 » by doclinkin » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:30 pm

moved from last page:


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Check out the height of the ball at the tip. Remember that Hilton Armstrong (#12) is listed at 6'11"...


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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#378 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:09 pm

keynote wrote:According to Ivan, McGee might be in the running for the starting role(!):
Etan Thomas, back after missing all of last season with a heart ailment, started the first four games of the preseason and was expected to assume the role in Haywood's absence, but when asked yesterday if Thomas would be the starting center against New Jersey on Oct. 29, Jordan said, "Don't know yet."

McGee was a surprise starter in the Wizards' 96-80 loss to New Orleans on Friday, and he responded with 15 points, two rebounds and two blocked shots in 21 minutes. McGee also collected a fan in Hornets all-star point guard Chris Paul, who said McGee belongs "in that Dwight Howard category" of athleticism after McGee blocked one of Paul's shots in the third quarter.
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Jordan said he still likes the veteran Thomas's force, Blatche's skill and versatility and Songaila's shooting ability and knowledge of the offense. But McGee forced Jordan to pay him more attention in the Wizards' second preseason game against Memphis, an 89-80 win in which McGee scored 20 points on 8-of-12 shooting with eight rebounds and three blocks. McGee had two uneven performances against Detroit and New Orleans before Jordan decided to give McGee a look with the starters.

"Like I said, 'Knock, knock. Somebody is at the door, guys,' " Jordan said. "The opportunity is going to be there. If it opens up, be careful. Watch out, because he's progressing."



I doubt he'll actually end up starting, but it looks like he might be playing his way into the rotation.



Without any question, beyond any shadow of a doubt, McGee should start.

Blatche needs to play primarily at the 4. Etan needs to be, at best, a part-timer, bringing his "energy" against other second tier guys.

McGee needs minutes. He needs them in a unit with the vets who play under control and he needs them early in the game. Depending on matchups and who has the hot hand, maybe Blatche, maybe Songalia are in it down the stretch...

But, gosh darnit, EJ must start the kid.

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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#379 » by Rafael122 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:14 am

Wow...McGee, dare I say it, might be the one who makes Haywood leave town, or at the least, have him signed and traded somewhere else.

If this kid is exceeding expectations already, you figure either Haywood, Thomas or Songaila will be traded.
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Re: JaVale McGee 

Post#380 » by LyricalRico » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:30 am

Rafael122 wrote:Wow...McGee, dare I say it, might be the one who makes Haywood leave town, or at the least, have him signed and traded somewhere else.

If this kid is exceeding expectations already, you figure either Haywood, Thomas or Songaila will be traded.


No need to trade a defensive 7-footer who'll likely re-sign for peanuts (as center salaries go) so I don't see Haywood being run out of town. Even a McGee that is surpassing expectations is still only a backup when this team is at full strength. But with EJ's penchant for limiting Haywood's minutes, even if McGee were to outpace the wildest expectations he'd still be able to have a significant role as a reserve.

LSBF makes the key point IMO when he says that this pushes Blatche to his natural PF position. That's the biggest thing that the emergence of McGee would do IMO. Why? Because it TOTALLY eliminates small ball and it makes Etan/Songaila immediately expendable.

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