Andray Blatche - Resurgence Thread ( Merged )

[dlts20]

Why does everyone act like Coaches are cool? I hated some of my Coaches in HS and I wish I could tell them to get the hell out my face. Sometimes, the players dont like the coach and its genuine. Its not that the player is bad. We may start to hear that all the players have a problem with him, just like they started to do in Detroit. I heard him & Billups use to fight about stuff alot

[Ruzious]

Why does everyone act like Coaches are cool? I hated some of my Coaches in HS and I wish I could tell them to get the hell out my face. Sometimes, the players dont like the coach and its genuine. Its not that the player is bad. We may start to hear that all the players have a problem with him, just like they started to do in Detroit. I heard him & Billups use to fight about stuff alot

It really doesn't matter if you like your coaches or not. All that matters is you respect them as authority figures and follow their instructions.

[Cramer]

Why does everyone act like Coaches are cool? I hated some of my Coaches in HS and I wish I could tell them to get the hell out my face. Sometimes, the players dont like the coach and its genuine. Its not that the player is bad. We may start to hear that all the players have a problem with him, just like they started to do in Detroit. I heard him & Billups use to fight about stuff alot

It really doesn't matter if you like your coaches or not. All that matters is you respect them as authority figures and follow their instructions.

Ruz, you and I are clearly from a different generation.

[LyricalRico]

^ Looks like I am, too. I"m technically "Gen-Y" but I tend to think more like a Baby Boomer. My first reaction to what happened last night was "eff Blatche, let's get this dope outta here and draft Favors". And after I've had some time to think about it...I still feel that way. Blatche, McGee, Young - they all need to be gone next year. Even if the team decides to make a coaching change, they still need to make the knucleheads somebody else's problem. I"m done with them.

"Can't win with 'em. Can't do it. Won't do it." - Mike Singletary

[dlts20]

lyrical, lets not go crazy. This kid may be a 20 & 10 guy and only gets paid 3mil per for the next 2 years. That would be the worst move in history to get rid of him. MJ, Magic, and Elways have gotten coaches fired. Its not alwyas the players fault. The guy may truly be riding him or something. Also, Pippen refused to go back in the game just because he didnt get the ball on a last second play and thats 10x worst. I think its an overreaction anyways, is my point. So what if this happened. Its just a little spat, suspend him for 1 game if you want (even though I wouldnt), and then keep it moving. I just dont see the huge deal that people want to make it out to be. It was an argument. People fight and make up all the time. Theyve already done it themselves a few times. They will probably be fine

[keynote]

Players of all stripes and talent levels have butted heads with coaches. Magic, Jordan, Kobe and Pippen have all been accused of being coach killers and/or malcontents

That being said, there's a professional way to register your discontent with a coach. And, players have to be cognizant of their bargaining position and worth to the organization as a whole. A young prodigy like Magic is in a better position to talk to the FO about a coach than a 5th year guy on a 16-game hot streak.

As for Flip's track record with malcontents, here's a summary courtesy of Y! Sports/Fanhouse:

As FanHouse's Tom Ziller mentions, being Flip Saunders' most disappointing player in his coaching career is fairly impressive. Considering he's coached Isaiah Rider, Stephon Marbury(notes), Anthony Peeler, Dennis Scott, Rod Strickland, and Latrell Sprewell that's quite an accomplishment. Not necessarily the thing you want to achieve, but it's good to make an impression, I suppose.

[Kyrama]

Why does everyone act like Coaches are cool? I hated some of my Coaches in HS and I wish I could tell them to get the hell out my face. Sometimes, the players dont like the coach and its genuine. Its not that the player is bad. We may start to hear that all the players have a problem with him, just like they started to do in Detroit. I heard him & Billups use to fight about stuff alot

There's a difference between fighting in private about something and doing it during a game.

[WizarDynasty]

Blatche is a veteran and has given a hell of a lot more to the wiArds than flip has. Flip didn't call out jamison butler or arenas but all of a sudden he doesn't show blatche any veteran respect. Blatche had a bad ankle and went on the record saying that he would play through his injury. That what a hero does. Saunder's apparently has no social skills for not giving praise to a player like blatche playing through injury.
Saunders had the same lack of social skills problem in detroit which why he got fired. Saunders better figure it real quick.
You best recognize when your star player is playing through pain and aint about to hear nit picking whining for him to play even harder through the injury he is trying to mask so he can be there for gis team. I am proud of blatche he is only imitating his predecessor KG.
And I may be one of the few here who recognize how lucky we are to have a warrior two way basketball bigman that plays with passion in dc. Saunders goes before blatche in a heart beat.
Saunders and blatche need to evolve a system of how far to push blatche when he's injured. Blatche is definitely one of my fav players in the league as you all know from nack in the day when I defended him against attacks in the hall of fame thread. We don't need any more wins just a top three pick. Keep it blatche. Blatche's success in the future will heavily be determined by if we can draft a number two or number one option two way play for him to play alongside next year.
Let mcgee get the minutes. Mvgee gets better and we still lose. A win win situation.

[DaRealHibachi]

^^^
Flip called out CB, AJ and Arenas several times... Stop pulling things out of your ass dude...

If Dray wanted the coaching staff to take it easy on him for his injury, he should've notified them, or simply not played... It's not like we're trying to make the playoffs or anything, we have nothing to play for this at this moment... If Dray was in any kind of pain, he should've sat out the game...

Blaming Flip for riding him when he isn't giving any effort has nothing to do with Dray being injured...

Flip isn't the greatest coach ever, but the hate around here is obnoxious... damn... Every coach has flaws, what the hell makes Flip worse than any other coach we could've had...??? Look around the NBA, not one coach is perfect....

[P'Oed]

Hasn't given Blatche veteran respect? Whaaaaat? Flip said himself that they run 60% of the offense through hi. The guy has a real shot to make something of himself and he's blowing it over the same stupid crap that made him a nobody in the first place.


Was at the game last night and didn't even notice he wasn't playing until about midway through the second (probably because of the 3 pitchers I drank at Hooters before the game....). That being said, I can't say I'll miss this guy if he's absent from our near future.

[Backbreaker!]

Hey its been awhile since I posted in here but I wanted to see what everyone's reaction to Andray's tantrum was. I think this whole thing is pretty sad and if he doesn't man up quickly, I'd like to see him traded away (if anyone will have him).

[P'Oed]

Why does everyone act like Coaches are cool? I hated some of my Coaches in HS and I wish I could tell them to get the hell out my face. Sometimes, the players dont like the coach and its genuine. Its not that the player is bad. We may start to hear that all the players have a problem with him, just like they started to do in Detroit. I heard him & Billups use to fight about stuff alot

It really doesn't matter if you like your coaches or not. All that matters is you respect them as authority figures and follow their instructions.

Ruz, you and I are clearly from a different generation.

It's not like this is the first coach that has ever disliked Andray Blatche....So when does it start becoming BLATCHE'S fault?

[Cramer]

It's not like this is the first coach that has ever disliked Andray Blatche....So when does it start becoming BLATCHE'S fault?

Ummmm, I don't think we're wondering when it becomes Blatche's fault.....we're saying IT IS Blatche's fault.

We're on the same page here....

[Ironpanthr]

^^^
Flip called out CB, AJ and Arenas several times... Stop pulling things out of your ass dude...

If Dray wanted the coaching staff to take it easy on him for his injury, he should've notified them, or simply not played... It's not like we're trying to make the playoffs or anything, we have nothing to play for this at this moment... If Dray was in any kind of pain, he should've sat out the game...

Blaming Flip for riding him when he isn't giving any effort has nothing to do with Dray being injured...

Flip isn't the greatest coach ever, but the hate around here is obnoxious... damn... Every coach has flaws, what the hell makes Flip worse than any other coach we could've had...??? Look around the NBA, not one coach is perfect....

Agree with this. Flip did let the established vets slide from time to time, but he certainly gave Caron a mouthful when he desired to bogard the end of that Mavericks game (geez, that feels like so long ago).


Regardless of whether Flip had been too lenient on some and too strict on others, I couldn't agree more with what he said in his press conference. You can be pissed at the coach, but don't quit on your teammates. That's a party foul, my friends. Granted we've only heard Flip's side and Andray is now on the radio saying all of this didn't actually happen the way Flip is saying, but if Flip's truth is the real truth, but to decide that you aren't going to play cause you don't feel like hearing it, would be awfully diva-ish. Would it really surprise you if Blatche turned out to be a male diva -- a divo if you prefer? Between this and the "if I put up good numbers next year I'll feel underappreciated because of my salary" statement, I wouldn't find it all that shocking if a successful Blatche ends up being a bit of a headcase. Again, I hope Blatche is telling the truth, even though I'd hate to think of what that means about our coach.

And for what it's worth, I think we will be seeing a great deal of "Successful Blatche." Kid has all the talent in the world and I'm glad he's on this team. I just hope he doesn't get in the way of himself like so many other woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't athletes before him.

EDIT: I sure hope what Blatche is saying on the radio right now is true. I'd hate to think that Flip is a liar, but I'd really hate to believe our newly minted 20-10 guy would do something like what Flip alleges occurred.

[daSwami]

This Blatche situation really irritates me because this franchise (the Pollins specifically) has a history of being blinded by self-righteous indignation that ultimately leads to knee-jerk decisions that doom the franchise to long-term failure. The only question remains is for which under-sized over-aged veteran will we be trading him. Our only hope is that EG can pull off another Caron-for-Kwame miracle trade.

Plus, such a trade (if it happened) would be antithetical to all the moves that have preceded it, which would imply that whatever "re-building" plan EG was using before the trade deadline has been scrapped in favor of the old model.

Blatche is finally producing up to his potential and he's still a a few years from his prime. Plus, his contract is a bargain. Getting rid of him would be a mistake.

[dobrojim]

Blatche and arenas finally get to payback the entire nba for letting both of them slip to the second round. Arenas and !latche should punish all the 30 teams that didn't draft them.

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punish 29 that didn't draft them and one that DID!

[keynote]

Apparently, Blatche is being interviewed by Wise. A friend sent me this synopsis:

AB is being interviewed by Mike Wise now. He says he takes 55% of the blame for what happened. It was a misunderstanding. Flip says coaches asked him if he wanted to play after being sent to the bench. AB denies that any coach asked him that.

Just said he doesn't deserve any further discipline b/c he didn't do anything wrong (of course he actually said, "I didn't do nuffin").

He traveled w/the team to Indiana. He hasn't been told whether or not he's playing tonight. One of the coaches (Randy Whitman) told him he owes his teammates an apology. AB replied he doesn't b/c he never said he didn't want to play.

Said he was sitting on the bench w/a heat pack on ready to play.

Said he deserves an apology b/c they have disrespected his name.

[Ruzious]

Apparently, Blatche is being interviewed by Wise. A friend sent me this synopsis:

AB is being interviewed by Mike Wise now. He says he takes 55% of the blame for what happened. It was a misunderstanding. Flip says coaches asked him if he wanted to play after being sent to the bench. AB denies that any coach asked him that.

Just said he doesn't deserve any further discipline b/c he didn't do anything wrong (of course he actually said, "I didn't do nuffin").

He traveled w/the team to Indiana. He hasn't been told whether or not he's playing tonight. One of the coaches (Randy Whitman) told him he owes his teammates an apology. AB replied he doesn't b/c he never said he didn't want to play.

Said he was sitting on the bench w/a heat pack on ready to play.

Said he deserves an apology b/c they have disrespected his name.

Ya can't have it both ways. If he says it's 55% his fault and then says he didn't do anything wrong... what the hell is he saying?

[jimij]

He's saying he was wrong to ignore Saunders in the first place but he's absolutely refuting the allegation that he quit on his teammates and that he repeatedly told coaches he didn't want to play.

I said it in the other thread, but from watching it from a relatively close distance, Blatche sure as hell didn't look like a guy who thought he wasn't going to be playing the rest of the night. He certainly deserves blame for blowing off the coach in the first place, but IMO Flip is the one taking this to an entirely different level both after that game and apparently again today.

[BigA]

This is being staged between Flip and Dray. Flip wants to get fired and Dray wants to be traded.