Discussing Other Teams' Moves

[Illuminaire]

MHD,

Big men are hard to get, and McGee isn't terrible, just annoying. If we're trading him, it needs to be for something more concrete than a top-8 protected pick... starting centers are worth their weight in designer clothing, and McGee was still moderately effective despite a laundry list of faults.

[mhd]

MHD,

Big men are hard to get, and McGee isn't terrible, just annoying. If we're trading him, it needs to be for something more concrete than a top-8 protected pick... starting centers are worth their weight in designer clothing, and McGee was still moderately effective despite a laundry list of faults.

True, but when Tyson Chandler gets 15 million a year, what's McGee going to get. He's not worth close to the contract he'll get. I'd rather bid on Biedrins when he gets amnestied. I'd rather pay Biedrins 4-6 million per year for the next 3 years, and have another relatively high pick in this upcoming draft. Big Men who are dominators like Gasol, Amare, etc. are truly rare. McGee is a glorified garbage man. You can't give him the ball down low and expect and creating for others (his assist rate is atrocious) or score. Its time to sell high on McGee. Biedrins with a PG like Wall feeding him easy buckets can get back to that double double machine he was. He's also still very young.

[B-easy]

If paul goes to Lakers that increases the chances that Wall has of becoming an all star.

[LyricalRico]

I'm really surprised that a Western Conference team (HOU) got in on a deal to help make the Lakers better. If Bynum stays healthy, they are the best team in the league. I guess McHale helped Boston a couple years ago and now he's helping LA?



And where is Odom going? NOH or HOU?

[LyricalRico]

True, but when Tyson Chandler gets 15 million a year, what's McGee going to get. He's not worth close to the contract he'll get. I'd rather bid on Biedrins when he gets amnestied. I'd rather pay Biedrins 4-6 million per year for the next 3 years, and have another relatively high pick in this upcoming draft. Big Men who are dominators like Gasol, Amare, etc. are truly rare. McGee is a glorified garbage man. You can't give him the ball down low and expect and creating for others (his assist rate is atrocious) or score. Its time to sell high on McGee. Biedrins with a PG like Wall feeding him easy buckets can get back to that double double machine he was. He's also still very young.

Great post.

[Rafael122]

The Lakers actually lowered their cap about $13 million with the move, still $7 million over the luxury tax.

And they could amnesty Walton as well.

[verbal8]

The Lakers actually lowered their cap about $13 million with the move, still $7 million over the luxury tax.

And they could amnesty Walton as well.

I think either Walton or Artest(aka Meta World Peace) will get amnestied. I think they are getting Okafor back.

The Hornets aren't getting a bad package, but it does lack the impact player I would expect. I think they would have been better off with something around Rondo.

[Illuminaire]

NOH is getting the mediocre non-playoff team special, just enough parts to not entirely suck, but not a single franchise building block among them.

It's... pretendously short sighted. I love it though, because if Otis Smith isn't an idiot, that takes Paul off the table as a PG that Howard can go play with. (If)

[LyricalRico]

The Hornets aren't getting a bad package, but it does lack the impact player I would expect. I think they would have been better off with something around Rondo.

Here's the latest package I'm reading:

Scola
Martin
Dragic
Odom
NYK first (via HOU)

Is that better than Rondo+JO (which is all that BOS could have offered)? Maybe so, depending on how you rate Rondo. Scola and Martin are starters, Dragic still has potential, and the last year of Odom's deal is only partially guaranteed. If they are also dumping Okafor's contract, that's not a bad package at all. Certainly not ideal, but not bad IMO.

The biggest shock to me is that HOU stepped in and facilitated the whole thing. Scola+Martin+Dragic+pick (and you help a rival team) for...Gasol? I'm still wrapping my head around that.

[Rafael122]

New Orleans will have two first round draft picks one of which will be a high lottery pick. And the 2012 draft will be a deep one. I think Hornets will bounce back quickly but probably won't be a playoff team.

Houston, again. It's like they are competing and rebuilding at the same time. Just go with one and roll with it.

Lakers have no height at all. Even if they get Okafor, who are their other bigs? They are going to get beaten on the boards every night.

[LyricalRico]

Lakers have no height at all. Even if they get Okafor, who are their other bigs? They are going to get beaten on the boards every night.

They still have Bynum, or am I missing something?

[Rafael122]

They do but who's the back up? Derrick Caracter? Please. And Bynum is not only suspended for the first five games, he's also injury prone.

They need to flip Artest or Walton or amnesty one of them and get themselves a big.

[Illuminaire]

We could trade them Blatche for a bag of jelly beans and some pokemon cards.

[sfam]

Lakers have no height at all. Even if they get Okafor, who are their other bigs? They are going to get beaten on the boards every night.

They still have Bynum, or am I missing something?

Many are guessing that Bynum will be flipped for Howard in the very near future. That would be one heck of a team. Sure, they'd need fillers for the other slots, but this puts them right up there as a Miami competitor.

[dangermouse]

and its dead.

good.

[no D in Hibachi]

This deal ticks me off…albeit it’s on hold, but...what was the whole point of the lock out? Star players still get what they want and destroy small market teams in the process; big markets still get outrageously lopsided deals and hoard all the stars. Gasol and Odom are good players, but they’re older. Neither are top 25 players. Paul is the best PG in the league and in his prime. The Hornets completely took it in the ass. Kevin bleeping Martin? He’s the Shareef Abdur Rahim of SG’s, good stats, will never win anything.

The worst part of it is that the Hornets did this terrible deal under the direction of the NBA. They gift wrapped the Lakers the championship. How does this trade show any form of independence? All they see is that if they stack the Lakers it’ll bring in tons of money. The hypocrisy is nauseating, the league, who cried and cried about equality and competitive balance, gave the biggest and best franchise a horrendously lopsided deal, while basically destroying a lifeless basketball market in the process. I’d bet good money that the Hornets are contracted after this season. Who wants to watch the awful product they’ll throw out on the floor? No one will buy the franchise since it’s probably worth less than $100M. The NBA will quietly and without much press fold away the Hornets and say their hands are clean.

Now Howard will be passive aggressive with the Magic until they trade him to LA for Bynum. This super team cycle will just perpetuate with LA/NY/Miami/Chicago indefinitely. There is really no hope for the little teams. This smells so rotten and just caters to every NBA naysayer that the league is rigged. Worst of all I’ll have to listen to the idiot Laker fans at work flap their gums about how awesome their awesome superstar Lakers are!!

[mhd]

This deal ticks me off…albeit it’s on hold, but...what was the whole point of the lock out? Star players still get what they want and destroy small market teams in the process; big markets still get outrageously lopsided deals and hoard all the stars. Gasol and Odom are good players, but they’re older. Neither are top 25 players. Paul is the best PG in the league and in his prime. The Hornets completely took it in the ass. Kevin bleeping Martin? He’s the Shareef Abdur Rahim or SG’s, good stats, will never win anything.

The worst part of it is that the Hornets did this terrible deal under the direction of the NBA. They gift wrapped the Lakers the championship. How does this trade show any form of independence? All they see is that if they stack the Lakers it’ll bring in tons of money. The hypocrisy is nauseating, the league, who cried and cried about equality and competitive balance, gave the biggest and best franchise a horrendously lopsided deal, while basically destroying a lifeless basketball market in the process. I’d bet good money that the Hornets are contracted after this season. Who wants to watch the awful product they’ll throw out on the floor? No one will buy the franchise since it’s probably worth less than $100M. The NBA will quietly and without much press fold away the Hornets and say their hands are clean.

Now Howard will be passive aggressive with the Magic until they trade him to LA for Bynum. This super team cycle will just perpetuate with LA/NY/Miami/Chicago indefinitely. There is really no hope for the little teams. This smells so rotten and just caters to everyone NBA naysayer that the league is rigged. Worst of all I’ll have to listen to the idiot Laker fans at work flap their gums about how awesome their awesome superstar Lakers are!!

Gasol is a top 25 player. Odom is a top 40 player. CP3 has knee problems. I would never have done that deal if I were LA.

[sfam]

This deal ticks me off…albeit it’s on hold, but...what was the whole point of the lock out? Star players still get what they want and destroy small market teams in the process; big markets still get outrageously lopsided deals and hoard all the stars. Gasol and Odom are good players, but they’re older. Neither are top 25 players. Paul is the best PG in the league and in his prime. The Hornets completely took it in the ass. Kevin bleeping Martin? He’s the Shareef Abdur Rahim of SG’s, good stats, will never win anything.

The worst part of it is that the Hornets did this terrible deal under the direction of the NBA. They gift wrapped the Lakers the championship. How does this trade show any form of independence? All they see is that if they stack the Lakers it’ll bring in tons of money. The hypocrisy is nauseating, the league, who cried and cried about equality and competitive balance, gave the biggest and best franchise a horrendously lopsided deal, while basically destroying a lifeless basketball market in the process. I’d bet good money that the Hornets are contracted after this season. Who wants to watch the awful product they’ll throw out on the floor? No one will buy the franchise since it’s probably worth less than $100M. The NBA will quietly and without much press fold away the Hornets and say their hands are clean.

Now Howard will be passive aggressive with the Magic until they trade him to LA for Bynum. This super team cycle will just perpetuate with LA/NY/Miami/Chicago indefinitely. There is really no hope for the little teams. This smells so rotten and just caters to every NBA naysayer that the league is rigged. Worst of all I’ll have to listen to the idiot Laker fans at work flap their gums about how awesome their awesome superstar Lakers are!!

This does smell rotten. But really, there's nothing you can do to force someone to stay in Cleveland, for instance. I think this is endemic to the NBA. Bottom line, a team like Washington just has to be smarter to get to the top - Detroit proved this is possible. They have to use the draft to build a core, and frankly, luck in to at least a second tier superstar. I think we have this with Wall. Now we just need to do everything right for the next 3-5 years...

[no D in Hibachi]

So basically you're telling me Washington will need to defy odds, strike gold, and basically win the lotto again or they'll never get a superstar to pair with Wall? Might as well trade him now…

I'm not saying Lebron can't leave Cleveland, or Melo can't leave Denver, etc. What I'm saying is that holding teams hostage and forcing them to basically trade, as Bill Simmons puts it, "a two dollar bill for change" is reprehensible. I just saw first hand out here how Melo single-handedly destroyed the Nuggets season and forced them to take spare parts in a trade. That's the way it is so I'm not going to cry foul too badly for this.

But, the NBA trading Chris Paul to the Lakers and taking back an awful package, without even acquiring draft picks is flat out cheating. It's criminal in fact. It's a scandal. There is really no defense they have for the trade and I'm ashamed for Stern and the NBA it was executed, albeit briefly.

[FAH1223]

Lakers are probably better for not making this trade. I personally think they're just fine the way their constructed and just need a young PG to add to their core.

them getting CP3 decimates their big advantage i.e. their frontline which would make the Western conference a race between DAL, OKC, and MEMPHIS..