Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

deneem4 · Post #381 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:10 pm

Nivek wrote:If Gay is the PF, who's going to rebound the ball?

Seriously???...if gay is shooting, the defense pf is out the hole guarding him...and okafor can go head to head with almost any center in rebounding...

Nivek · Post #382 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Nivek wrote:If Gay is the PF, who's going to rebound the ball?

Maybe this guy? http://www.basketball-reference.com/nbd ... ja01d.html

Sorry.

Lol

Nivek · Post #383 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:21 pm

deneem4 wrote:
Nivek wrote:If Gay is the PF, who's going to rebound the ball?

Seriously???...if gay is shooting, the defense pf is out the hole guarding him...and okafor can go head to head with almost any center in rebounding...

How stupid of me. I apologize for my lack of insight. Also, I'm glad to learn that the Wizards will need to play only offense once they trade for Gay. Quite a relief.

deneem4 · Post #384 » by **deneem4** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:40 pm

Rudy averages 6 rebounds(same as nene) a game with zach and marc who average 20 together...imagine not having 2 of best rebounding big man downlow...
Singleton can guard pf if needed

jivelikenice · Post #385 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:31 am

Outside of the debate of Rudy, I do like the idea of trading Crawford. There's just something off. He was late to shoot around after Néne basically called him and Seraphn out. Then after a big game off the bench, he's had an on and off again Injury. In between that he is singlehandedly loses a game to the Nets with an epic collapse, after which point his coach calls him out. Then the next game he plays very limited minutes around trying to play hero ball again versus the Heat. Then he sits out again and now he shows up as a tradeable asset.

Big picture, his value is high and he should be moved. This is the best he's played and he's up for an extension after next season. Do you really want to tie up MLE type of $ on him? His game requires him to dominate the ball...on a non playoff team will he accept being 3rd in line after Wall and Beal? I don't think he would, whereas on a more established team he would know his place in the pecking order.....

Post #386 » by **nate33** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:55 am

deneem4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:If anything, Singleton is more of a PF than Gay is.

Yea i know but on offense the wiz can use gay as the mismatch as pf and have singleton on the wing like a sf...he shot 34% last yr from the 3...with gay penatrating it can make for some nice kick outs... (if gay somehow thinks to pass)

How exactly are you going to do that?

"Hey, excuse me Mr. Opposing Coach. I would like for you to have your big slow PF guard Rudy Gay and put your quick SF on Chris Singleton, even though both of us know that Chris Singleton can't create off the dribble and shoots south of 30% from 3-point range."

It doesn't work that way. The opposition will put a SF on Gay and a PF on Singleton. You can't create mismatches just by labeling Gay the PF.

Nivek · Post #387 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:16 am

deneem4 wrote:Rudy averages 6 rebounds(same as nene) a game with zach and marc who average 20 together...imagine not having 2 of best rebounding big man downlow...

Excellent point. Gay does average just half a rebound less per game than Nene. That's impressive considering that Gay has gotten only 12.7 more minutes per game than Nene. Imagine how many more rebounds Gay might get if a game went to overtime or something. WOW!

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #388 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:25 am

Well 2 guys being mentioned out there as potentially acquirable that should be considered for differing reasons. Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins.

Gay is a top caliber SF who is in his prime (26), is proven, is a local guy from Baltimore, and still has star potential entering a new market. Cousins is a young (22) big with proven chemistry with our pg. He has well documented "issues", but could also bring some attitude this team lacks on the court.

For a team with an admitted inability to sign any high caliber free agents, and a spotty track record in the draft at best, acquiring 2 players like this via trade could be the most plausible route this team has to get out of the cellar.

I'm looking something along the lines of Crawford, Vesely, Ariza, draft picks for Gay, and a Seraphin/Singleton + draft pick package for Cousins.

We come away with a starting 5 of Wall, Beal, Gay, Nene, Cousins, with a bench featuring Okafor, Booker, Webster, Price. I like that team, and bring in a top caliber coach it is a top 3 team in the east and a team that can compete with anyone assuming Nene can rehab his foot and get in shape this offseason and return to form.

pickIBL · Post #389 » by **pickIBL** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:38 am

I'm not feeling "gay"

sorry. At this point best to get the books in order and get the next two drafts right because it is going to take that long. Hopefully Wall get healthy and develop. I think you can only make your books even worse and dig in further... best for the FO to figure out who they want to draft. If you want to talk trades anything to clean up the books and find under the radar prospects makes sense. Snag Jordan Hamilton out from the Nuggets before they figure out what they got. Or get the draft rights to Ante Tomic from Utah or something. Go draft your stars to go along with Wall and find the role players to go with them by making smart moves.

Nivek · Post #390 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:01 am

By what criteria is Gay a top caliber SF? He's below average at everything except steals and points, and the only reason he's above average in points is because he shoots so often.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #391 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:06 am

Nivek wrote:By what criteria is Gay a top caliber SF? He's below average at everything except steals and points, and the only reason he's above average in points is because he shoots so often.

I think he'd be a good fit for this team. I also like the scoring balance... Wall can distribute to Beal, Gay, Nene, and Cousins.

Nivek · Post #392 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:21 am

What makes him a good fit? He misses shots, doesn't rebound and doesn't pass. You want the Wiz paying him $19 million in a couple years for his defense?

deneem4 · Post #393 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:36 am

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:If anything, Singleton is more of a PF than Gay is.

Yea i know but on offense the wiz can use gay as the mismatch as pf and have singleton on the wing like a sf...he shot 34% last yr from the 3...with gay penatrating it can make for some nice kick outs... (if gay somehow thinks to pass)

How exactly are you going to do that?

"Hey, excuse me Mr. Opposing Coach. I would like for you to have your big slow PF guard Rudy Gay and put your quick SF on Chris Singleton, even though both of us know that Chris Singleton can't create off the dribble and shoots south of 30% from 3-point range."

It doesn't work that way. The opposition will put a SF on Gay and a PF on Singleton. You can't create mismatches just by labeling Gay the PF.

Last season he was shooting 35% from 3...he cant create his own shot but he's athletic and can drive...plus if singleton is getting chased by a pf on the perimeter...whos left in the hole by himself?...a 7ft banger named okafor...

deneem4 · Post #394 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:42 am

Nivek wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Rudy averages 6 rebounds(same as nene) a game with zach and marc who average 20 together...imagine not having 2 of best rebounding big man downlow...

Excellent point. Gay does average just half a rebound less per game than Nene. That's impressive considering that Gay. Has gotten only 12.7 more minutes per game than Nene. Imagine how many more rebounds Gay might get if a game went to overtime or something. WOW!

And nene cant play those extra 12mins because of health issues...which we really need him to...and nene only averages 7 rebounds a game in his career so its not like hes goin to be a15+ rebounding guy....but u can imagine rudy without 2 great big men downlow grabbing 20+ rebounds and he can easliy change that 6rebs to 10

Nivek · Post #395 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:45 am

My imagination isn't that good.

gambitx777 · Post #396 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:53 am

gay is over paid and under preforming. He should be getting about 12-14 mill the way hes playing. But, by the end of his deal he will be making 19.3. he is not worth that. Thats how we got in to this mess, by over paying players. I say no way! IMO

deneem4 · Post #397 » by **deneem4** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:57 am

Nivek wrote:My imagination isn't that good.

But your a wizards fan? Something not adding up...

dangermouse · Post #398 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:05 am

Getting Gay is tempting.

Hope my dad isnt reading this over my shoulder....

But enough with the homo jokes, the only guy i'd trade for him is Nene. Nene + Ariza? I know Crawford is Crawford but he surely has some value more than a throw in for Gay if we are giving them Nene. But it does give the Griz what they want, depth.

Using Oka's contract to get him doesnt sit well with me when you look at all those big contracts in a few years.

Still dunno. I like what Nene brings even if he is injury plagued at the moment. And hes cheaper. And not really that much older.

Nivek · Post #399 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:09 am

deneem4 wrote:
Nivek wrote:My imagination isn't that good.

But your a wizards fan? Something not adding up...

Being a Wizards fan may be a symptom.

On the other hand, I just imagined Wall with Ray Allen's jumper and Crawford with MJ's efficiency and defense, and Nene with Kareem's health. These things are just as likely to happen as Gay ever averaging even 8 rebounds per game. Unless the league makes the games longer, or if he goes to play in the D-League.

Nivek · Post #400 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:12 am

dangermouse wrote:Getting Gay is tempting.

Hope my dad isnt reading this over my shoulder....

But enough with the homo jokes, the only guy i'd trade for him is Nene. Nene + Ariza? I know Crawford is Crawford but he surely has some value more than a throw in for Gay if we are giving them Nene. But it does give the Griz what they want, depth.

Using Oka's contract to get him doesnt sit well with me when you look at all those big contracts in a few years.

Still dunno. I like what Nene brings even if he is injury plagued at the moment. And hes cheaper. And not really that much older.

I didn't like the trade to get Nene, and I think the Wizards should explore moving him for more long-term assets. But I wouldn't trade him for Gay. Too expensive and not good enough.