Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Induveca]

Because the 1st 2 preseason games tells you everything you need to know.

No mostly because I haven't been a fan of either Porter or Mahinmi for their entire careers. They are what they are...

Which tells me you outright ignore the fact Otto was arguably our 3rd best player last season and Mahinmi quarterbacked a very good defense as Indiana's starting C. I didn't like the fact Mahinmi got $16 mil but he's not bad player, in fact he was one of the best defensive C's in the league last year.

Which is why I'm happy to trade Porter while he still has value.

[Dark Faze]

Which is why I'm happy to trade Porter while he still has value.

Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

[Dat2U]

Which is why I'm happy to trade Porter while he still has value.

Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

Your letting your bias cloud your judgement with that outright nonsensical response.

[Dark Faze]

Which is why I'm happy to trade Porter while he still has value.

Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

Your letting your bias cloud your judgement with that outright nonsensical response.

I think you're now letting YOUR bias cloud your judgement.

Who on earth is going to make a trade for Otto Porter as a player to tip the scales in their favor to support a strong playoff run? Seriously? Would a team like the Clips give up any assets of value to upgrade from Mbah Moute for Porter? Sure, they'd love to make that swap, but when it comes down to it they wouldn't actually offer us anything good? Would they offer a first to secure him? Of course not.

You're going to get some meh roleplayer offers for him. Players like Ben McLemore, MCW--guys seen as not having much of a future.

You wouldn't actually get guys who are seen as having upside. You're not getting Crowder for him. You're not getting Norman Powell.

Like that's my legit unbiased take. What's your unbiased take on his value? I'm not being at all sarcastic about this. I want to know the sort of players you think he could fetch in a deal, which says something of his market value.

[Sluggerface]

Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

Your letting your bias cloud your judgement with that outright nonsensical response.

I think you're now letting YOUR bias cloud your judgement.

Who on earth is going to make a trade for Otto Porter as a player to tip the scales in their favor to support a strong playoff run? Seriously? Would a team like the Clips give up any assets of value to upgrade from Mbah Moute for Porter? Sure, they'd love to make that swap, but when it comes down to it they wouldn't actually offer us anything good? Would they offer a first to secure him? Of course not.

You're going to get some meh roleplayer offers for him. Players like Ben McLemore, MCW--guys seen as not having much of a future.

You wouldn't actually get guys who are seen as having upside. You're not getting Crowder for him. You're not getting Norman Powell.

Like that's my legit unbiased take. What's your unbiased take on his value? I'm not being at all sarcastic about this. I want to know the sort of players you think he could fetch in a deal, which says something of his market value.

He's an above average starting caliber wing that can play multiple positions. Those players don't grow on trees.

[AFM]

Tony Wroten was just cut. He's better than Burke.

[nate33]

No mostly because I haven't been a fan of either Porter or Mahinmi for their entire careers. They are what they are...

Which tells me you outright ignore the fact Otto was arguably our 3rd best player last season and Mahinmi quarterbacked a very good defense as Indiana's starting C. I didn't like the fact Mahinmi got $16 mil but he's not bad player, in fact he was one of the best defensive C's in the league last year.

Which is why I'm happy to trade Porter while he still has value.

I think Porter is the kind of guy who will continue to be more valuable than his perceived value. A guy like Beal gets a max contract. A guy like Porter, who might well be a more effective player than Beal (and absolutely is more effective if you factor injuries) is likely to get something like $8-12M a year on his new contract.

I wouldn't trade him. I think he will be able to steal some minutes at PF, so that even as Oubre develops, there will be plenty of minutes available for Porter.

[AFM]

When Sato bumps Beal out of the starting lineup, can we trade Beal for Carmelo and play him at the 4?

We'll have a true all star at SG and can move Morris to the bench.

[Dark Faze]

He's an above average starting caliber wing that can play multiple positions. Those players don't grow on trees.

Above average starting caliber wing going by what metric though? Because he didn't even have a league average per and he played enough minutes to not just dismiss that stat.

[ozthegap]

I say trade beal and Monroe at the deadline for a real pf and plug sato in at the 2. He should be adjusted to the nba game by than and Beal has pretty much proven he is what he's going to be.

[AFM]

Trade Monroe? Yes I'm drunk but what you mean fam?

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Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

Your letting your bias cloud your judgement with that outright nonsensical response.

I think you're now letting YOUR bias cloud your judgement.

Who on earth is going to make a trade for Otto Porter as a player to tip the scales in their favor to support a strong playoff run? Seriously? Would a team like the Clips give up any assets of value to upgrade from Mbah Moute for Porter? Sure, they'd love to make that swap, but when it comes down to it they wouldn't actually offer us anything good? Would they offer a first to secure him? Of course not.

You're going to get some meh roleplayer offers for him. Players like Ben McLemore, MCW--guys seen as not having much of a future.

You wouldn't actually get guys who are seen as having upside. You're not getting Crowder for him. You're not getting Norman Powell.

Like that's my legit unbiased take. What's your unbiased take on his value? I'm not being at all sarcastic about this. I want to know the sort of players you think he could fetch in a deal, which says something of his market value.

Dude, you are completely cracked. Otto Porter is already one of the best young 3's in the league, and he certainly has upside -- lots of it. He got better last year from the year before, and the 2d half last year from the 1st half.

That's how Otto Porter is seen by anyone who knows how to analyze the value of players; it's certainly how he's seen around the league. As to your "legit unbiased take", which I speculate consists mostly of looking at whether a guy scores a lot of points and, you know, has thunderous dunks on highlight reels, I'd call that your "primitive take."

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He's an above average starting caliber wing that can play multiple positions. Those players don't grow on trees.

Above average starting caliber wing going by what metric though? Because he didn't even have a league average per and he played enough minutes to not just dismiss that stat.

PER isn't an especially useful stat, because it overvalues shooting -- if you shoot 31% on 2-pointers, for example, your PER goes up with every shot you take, all those misses included. You think 31% shooting on 2s helps a team? How about if a player shoots 22% on 3pt shots -- you think the more he does it the more he helps win games (i.e. the better a player he is)? That's what PER says. Hence, because PER overvalues shooting, it undervalues guys who don't shoot a lot -- no matter how high a % they shoot!

Yet, all the same, what you write is BS -- Otto is not a volume shooter, but his PER is still in the top 40% of SFs who played 20+ minutes a game last year.

If you use WS/40, he's 14th among those guys (there are about 70 of them). If you use (Dat -- don't read the rest of this sentence ) WP48, his performance last year put him among the top SFs in the league. If he does it 2 years in a row (and especially if he improves this year) that's where I'll rank him firmly.

[Sluggerface]

He's an above average starting caliber wing that can play multiple positions. Those players don't grow on trees.

Above average starting caliber wing going by what metric though? Because he didn't even have a league average per and he played enough minutes to not just dismiss that stat.

Actually, we can dismiss it, because PER isn't that good of a metric. PER may be better than your average box score quick take, but it's 2016. We have much better metrics.

[Ruzious]

He's an above average starting caliber wing that can play multiple positions. Those players don't grow on trees.

Above average starting caliber wing going by what metric though? Because he didn't even have a league average per and he played enough minutes to not just dismiss that stat.

PER isn't an especially useful stat, because it overvalues shooting -- if you shoot 31% on 2-pointers, for example, your PER goes up with every shot you take, all those misses included. You think 31% shooting on 2s helps a team? How about if a player shoots 22% on 3pt shots -- you think the more he does it the more he helps win games (i.e. the better a player he is)? That's what PER says. Hence, because PER overvalues shooting, it undervalues guys who don't shoot a lot -- no matter how high a % they shoot!

Yet, all the same, what you write is BS -- Otto is not a volume shooter, but his PER is still in the top 40% of SFs who played 20+ minutes a game last year.

If you use WS/40, he's 14th among those guys (there are about 70 of them). If you use (Dat -- don't read the rest of this sentence ) WP48, his performance last year put him among the top SFs in the league. If he does it 2 years in a row (and especially if he improves this year) that's where I'll rank him firmly.

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

[ozthegap]

Trade Monroe? Yes I'm drunk but what you mean fam?

Aargh. I think I was half asleep and just saw the article title about Monroe possibly being traded. I meant Morris.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hate to break it to you but you're not getting much for him without including a first

He's a free agent in the summer and he's not going to be some difference maker for a team looking to make a playoff push

Your letting your bias cloud your judgement with that outright nonsensical response.

I think you're now letting YOUR bias cloud your judgement.

Who on earth is going to make a trade for Otto Porter as a player to tip the scales in their favor to support a strong playoff run? Seriously? Would a team like the Clips give up any assets of value to upgrade from Mbah Moute for Porter? Sure, they'd love to make that swap, but when it comes down to it they wouldn't actually offer us anything good? Would they offer a first to secure him? Of course not.

You're going to get some meh roleplayer offers for him. Players like Ben McLemore, MCW--guys seen as not having much of a future.

You wouldn't actually get guys who are seen as having upside. You're not getting Crowder for him. You're not getting Norman Powell.

Like that's my legit unbiased take. What's your unbiased take on his value? I'm not being at all sarcastic about this. I want to know the sort of players you think he could fetch in a deal, which says something of his market value.

Nice dust up!

I think this coach, Sato, and Oubre's emergence are POSSIBLY factors that are going to stunt Porter's numbers/growth. Seems like a trend early on.

OTOH, Porter is a BALLER. Dude has the same thing Rip Hamilton had. HIGH basketball IQ, economy of motion, more toughness than his size would suggest, and IMO the heart of a champion.

I would rather see Porter stay than Beal. Otto's better IMO. But I could be way off and Beal has already gotten paid. I won't offer anything else but we shall see ...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Before relegating Porter to a bench role, there is probably a good Nerlens Noel trade out there.

Think is not original on my part. Didn't someone else mention Covington included from Philadelphia?

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...I think this coach, Sato, and Oubre's emergence are POSSIBLY factors that are going to stunt Porter's numbers/growth....

At this point in the run up to the season, hope and fantasy are the most active factors in most fan's minds -- not just this year but every year & not just Wizards fans but every team's fans. Why not?

Kelly Oubre's only 20; he's just gotten started. There's every chance for him to be a terrific player, and he's had a couple of good pre-season outings. But at this point he's still an unproven young guy w/ pretty much the same problems he had last year, no off hand for starters.

Otto Porter is a way better player than Oubre right now; in fact, he's a terrific player. Getting better season after season, and he's only 23. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he turned out to be our best player this year. In fact, I think it's pretty likely.

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Otto for Covington and Richaun Holmes? Is that crazy? And will PIF verbally eviscerate me for asking?

Remember, Otto's set to get paid next year.

philly would decline

I'm sure Philly would love to have Otto; any team in the league would. And they'd give those 2 guys for him in a NY minute!

Holmes is looking good in pre-season, but it's way too early to tell how that will translate. He wasn't very good last year in 700 minutes. Covington isn't particularly good either, and he's 25; not likely he'll develop much.

That said, both those guys are terrific players to have on your roster -- they are better than Nicholson and Smith, they make $2m combined, and Holmes, who's got some upside, is under Philly's control for 3 years. The Colangelos, who IMO aren't competent GMs, would likely trade Holmes. Our problem is we have nothing to trade.