Political Roundtable Part XVII

[stilldropin20]

Jesus the Republicans really don't have any shame. So is anyone going to call out Trump on directing the Justice Department to settle personal grievances? The Justice department must remain independent of the President.

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It goes waaaaaaaaay beyond that my non-american friend. waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond. Where are you from anyway?

Numerous investigations have been re-launched.

Some never ended and were ongoing like the tie-in and pay-to-play of the Uranium One deal, The Clinton foundation, and the WJC Foundation, Bill Himself, and HRC herself. And that's just Uranium One. The Daily beast and The Hill have done all the leg work on this via the FOI ACT as the Obama DOJ leftovers (AKA deep state) have stone walled both congress and the current DOJ appointees. remember those "bad russians" that CNN has told us about for 1.5 years!!??? lol. yeah them. HRC, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, Holder, Mccabe, OBAMA, all signed off on the Uranium One deal which sold 20% of our uranium as well as uranium rich mines in Kazakhstan to Russia so that Russia could corner the market on Uranium. While hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton foundation from the middle east and russia with direct ties to the Uranium One deal.

And yes the current DOJ is taking another fresh look at the HRC email. Destruction of evidence. Her use of "bleach bit" on her "personal" server (that was used for government business and contained tons of classifies info and documents) after that server was subpoenaed. Yes, she is guilty of "destruction of evidence."

And then HRC directed her entire team to smash their government issue blackberries phones (again after they were subpoenaed). Also "destruction of evidence." At this point the destruction of evidence charges also becomes "obstruction of justice."

And all of that was covered up by the outgoing "Obama" DOJ. All so HRC could win.

And at the same time HRC, the DNC, and the FBI and paid for the steele dossier which fabricated Russian ties to Trump...because a russian attorney "promised dirt" on HRC at 20 minute meeting. The main stream media was in on it and ran with it for 18 straight months.

so guess what happens now!!!!!!!! thats right. the tides they are a turnin'!!!!

now we are going to march a bunch of HRC staffers and people she barely knew and met maybe once or twice up to capital hill. we are going to march them up to capital Hill and put them in interviews with the FBI and see who flinches. Let's see who points fingers and names names now

Huma Abedin and weiner's turn. Then the douchebags who made coffee for them. Wait for the inconsistencies and let the games begin.

here's what I predict. Every damn one of them will plead the 5th. or "do not recall." So we will have to just go with the paper trail. and bring the bring out the grand juries.

All i know is I got the appetite for it. I dont think its petty. And I want to see "justice" served.

Tell me how that Benghazi investigation worked out for Republicans. Nothing will come of any of these investigations. Also how can any of these investigations be considered fair since they are being directed by Hillary Clinton's former presidential opponent? Also for someone that believes in crazy conspiracy theories you don't think the timing of this is suspect considering the **** going on in the whitehouse?

fair!!!!!!!!!?????
so. you thought this was suppose to be fair, huh? I mean YOU of all people? YOU, actually thought any of this was fair? 93% negative coverage of Donald Trump by the entire main stream media over the course of 13 straight months is fair, huh? I mean. you felt that was fair? This whole "russia gate" collusion investigation is fair huh? That's fair, right?

On second thought, are you sure that you old enough to use this site? I'll tell you what. You thought all of that was not only fair but "just and righteous." And in that light, 2018 is about to show you just how fair the justice department is. Spoiler alert: there is nothing fair about it. The leaders are political appointees. emphasis on "political." Strap in kiddo. 2018 is going to be a bumpy ride for ya.

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One thing that maybe raising Trump's "floor" of support is the strong economy. There does seem to be even some improvements at the lower ends of the workforce.

One thing that will make it really hard for him in 2020(other than that is terrible at being president) is he has fewer voters he can convince to support him. Whatever Trump's level of hard-core support, he has at least(maybe twice) as many people who would vote for anyone other than Roy Moore over him.
All the Democratic nominee has to do is convince Obama voters who sat out voting for Clinton to show up.

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so on th esame night 2 new investigations get re-opened...on that same night...the clinton's have a fire at their house. In a bedroom no less. These two. lol. these two. You cant make this stuff up. I will bet anyone on here that at some point, the answer to a question under oath will be that the item (or evidence) was "was lost in the fire on january 4th 2018."

If the FBI has half a brain cell, they immediately get to the clinton house and inventory all the "stuff" lost in the fire.

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[FAH1223]

One thing that maybe raising Trump's "floor" of support is the strong economy. There does seem to be even some improvements at the lower ends of the workforce.

One thing that will make it really hard for him in 2020(other than that is terrible at being president) is he has fewer voters he can convince to support him. Whatever Trump's level of hard-core support, he has at least(maybe twice) as many people who would vote for anyone other than Roy Moore over him.
All the Democratic nominee has to do is convince Obama voters who sat out voting for Clinton to show up.

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more of your "fair" justice department hard at work. As of 12-13-2017( 20 days ago). Rod Rosenstien's wife was Bill Clinton's Attorney? Really? This cant be right.

I will concede this much to the libs on this board. trump is a total effing bafoon for not cleaning the entire house of the DOJ at the very top. At least the 10 top guys had to change. And he needed a pure loyalist at AG. Sessions is something else. Wow!

But...at the same time...this bafoon may have stumbled into a genius non move where by leaving them in place they have tangled themselves further into a web that will be easier to expose. A keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of thing.

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[stilldropin20]

One thing that maybe raising Trump's "floor" of support is the strong economy. There does seem to be even some improvements at the lower ends of the workforce.

One thing that will make it really hard for him in 2020(other than that is terrible at being president) is he has fewer voters he can convince to support him. Whatever Trump's level of hard-core support, he has at least(maybe twice) as many people who would vote for anyone other than Roy Moore over him.
All the Democratic nominee has to do is convince Obama voters who sat out voting for Clinton to show up.

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ahhhh....you guys might be waking up. #whowouldathinkit ?

maybe? just maybe we can get on with real political talk permanently like these issues? As soon as Wizardpride, Jwiz, and pointgod get off the childish CNN driven mindless bull crap about russiagate then then i can drop my schtick and we can converse like adults? about real issues. real problems. and real politcal theory and solutions.

[closg00]

One thing that maybe raising Trump's "floor" of support is the strong economy. There does seem to be even some improvements at the lower ends of the workforce.

One thing that will make it really hard for him in 2020(other than that is terrible at being president) is he has fewer voters he can convince to support him. Whatever Trump's level of hard-core support, he has at least(maybe twice) as many people who would vote for anyone other than Roy Moore over him.
All the Democratic nominee has to do is convince Obama voters who sat out voting for Clinton to show up.

Even Trump building-upon the Obama economy won't be enough for him to win re-election because his personality is toxic. I would still wager that he does not seek re-election after declaring himself the greatest President in U.S. history (If Mueller doesn't bring him down first)

[dckingsfan]

Well from a simplistic perspective, of course the US is going to run a trade deficit with Canada considering that it's more than 10 times the size of the country. The US is also almost 3 times the size of Mexico. The Mexican middle class hasn't grown like expected but overall NAFTA has benefited all three countries. If you want to know why it hasn't benefited the USA just look to the recent tax bill. The US is setup so corporations and the top 1% reap disproportionate economic benefits while not reinvesting into it's citizens.

It may be simplistic but - shouldn't the trade deficits sinusoidal around zero and not $150B? And relative size shouldn't matter - right?

And this doesn't account for wages (your comment that corporations and the 1% reap the largest reward) - which is unrelated to the trade deficit.

Are you saying that the deficit is good and we shouldn't do anything about it? It is sustainable and our trade partners are right?

I am puzzled as to why you wouldn't want to see an adjustment to this agreement and why the obfuscation by Mexico and Canada is okay?

Well I'm not American so I don't have some sense of placing the blame on America's economic woes on trade deals. I'm looking at this from a purely objective economic standpoint. One thing that anti free trade people don't acknowledge is that America has a trade surplus when it comes to services. This is undoubtedly a good thing and you would think more politicians would emphasize the need to capatilize on this competitive advantage but the grievance politics of convincing people they're being screwed by trade deals that most of them don't understand gets votes.

The deficit is driven by the consumption of goods and cars. I assume Americans enjoy having cheap cars and products to consume. There's always the opportunity to renegotiate trade deals but Trump doesn't want a fair trade deal he wants a deal which is lopsided in favour of America but he can't even explain why the deficits are bad. Again this is a very simple explanation but even countries with trade surpluses are experiencing lower economic growth than the US.

First, it is a combination of goods and services that are measured - and to which I am referring.

And Trump may want an unfair agreement - but Mexico and Canada don't want to change the agreement at all (I guess that is a duh since they are reaping the major benefits).

My point is that our trading partners have intentionally blocked any measures that would make the agreement fairer (consistently through the Bush and Obama administrations as well).

So, I think in this case - Trump is probably more right than wrong. Although, I think we are probably screwed long-term on this because termination is worse than the agreement as it stands.

[I_Like_Dirt]

If termination is worse than the agreement, perhaps the agreement isn't actually bad? Wanting a better one is certain understandable and even admirable, but it's tough to argue it's a bad deal when you're better off with it than without it. And this is on pure financial grounds, too. America reaps other benefits as well from having trade partners that also benefit from the trade deal. I mean, it isn't like there aren't already issues with immigration along the Mexico border anyway. Attack the Mexican economy, and you'd better recoup enough money to pay for the added headache along the border and pay for a wall or whatever (and it's pretty clear that such a cost would be pretty outrageous, as Trump has been so kind to demonstrate), because if you don't, well, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. Heck, a more stable and wealthier Canada also helps for several strategic reasons. And you the deal also benefits the USA? Improve on it? Sure. Consider trashing it? Yeah.... not so much.

As for Canada and Mexico not wanting to renegotiate, from what I've seen they haven't been against renegotiating, but just not renegotiating along the lines that Trump has outlined. It's a fight with debatable potential rewards and loads of risks in the process, but it's being doing for political reasons.

[I_Like_Dirt]

While he has a die-hard base his popularity is historically low for a president. The Dems could nominate a Cheeseburger in 2020 and win. Assuming Trump doesn't eat the cheeseburger, or it has an email scandal.

Disagree. Most of Hillary's campaign was essentially her staying quiet and implying that she wasn't Trump. But the thing is, people ascribe that to Hillary, which is only have true. It wasn't just her making that decision. There is a strong belief amongst the Dems that such a strategy is true, and it's now shifted to essentially winning is anyone but Hillary. The reality is that any candidate is going to be the target of some sort of right wing media propaganda. That's just the reality. There is a difference between being unpopular and people deciding they like you less than the alternative so they're going to vote for the other alternative. People don't just hate Trump, they hate government, and that's dangerous but also something that needs to be taken into consideration here. The Democrats need more than simply "not Hillary" to win in 2020.

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Strap in kiddos.

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The closed door testimony of Fusion GPS Execs was devastating to Trump and Repubs are engaged in a propaganda war against all entities who have damaging information about Trump and his corrupt inner-circle forth-coming, this is all about creating a false narrative ahead of future indictments and damaging testimony....and it works will with deplorables. Fortunately, the uncovered facts will not be weighed or judged by the "Alternative Facts" Fox New echo chamber.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html

[stilldropin20]

Boom Baby!!! Boom baby!!!! Boom baby!!! Boom Baby!!! Boom baby!!!

Apple returns!!! Apple returns!!!! Brings 200 Billion with them. Can you say repatriation of trillions!!!??????

I said this tax cut would reurn trillions to the US economy for 8 straight months. DOnald Trump campaigned on it. And the money is and has been returning.

As time passes, here's what liberals should begin to ask themselves: Was there any better man for this job!!!??? Was there anyone better??? anyone?? anywhere??

NO one could have pulled this off. No one. This man will go down as GOAT president of the modern era. There is no way around it.

You guys should also be asking yourselves. Why is MSM so dedicated to remove this man from office?? Why are ridiculous liberal politicians so afraid of this man!!!

Let's say this again, African American unemployment is down to its lowest % since 1972!!!!!!!

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The closed door testimony of Fusion GPS Execs was devastating to Trump and Repubs are engaged in a propaganda war against all entities who have damaging information about Trump and his corrupt inner-circle forth-coming, this is all about creating a false narrative ahead of future indictments and damaging testimony....and it works will with deplorables. Fortunately, the uncovered facts will not be weighed or judged by the "Alternative Facts" Fox New echo chamber.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html

Shocked that SD20 is eating this up.

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The closed door testimony of Fusion GPS Execs was devastating to Trump and Repubs are engaged in a propaganda war against all entities who have damaging information about Trump and his corrupt inner-circle forth-coming, this is all about creating a false narrative ahead of future indictments and damaging testimony....and it works will with deplorables. Fortunately, the uncovered facts will not be weighed or judged by the "Alternative Facts" Fox New echo chamber.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html

you could not be anymore wrong. Schiff has been leaking any and all potentially damaging "testimony" as he goes. I mean any smidgeon of it. And thats because there is nothing there. If there was a "there" there. Schiff would be whistling dixie with his ice skates on. Instead, he's visibly extremely frustrated every time you see him. Because he is not getting anything.

Meanwhile, all the chatter is about the incestigation team itself. a fully weaponized outgoing leftover DOJ. its getting exposed for what it is. Charges are going to be brought up against The writer of the Dossier. And that writer will name names. He has to. The alliance between Britain and the US is important. They wont provide cover for this jackass. he will have to answer for his lies. Specifically, "did anyone direct you to write any kind of lies in this dossier." Those answers will be his get out of jail free card. He'll play it. You bet your azz he'll play it.

[stilldropin20]

^^^

You know at some point you guys have to reconcile your logic.

For the past 13 months 3-4 of you have been all over this "hacked election" false narrative. Your narrative was that "russia" meddled in our election.

1. But the only hacking anyone can provide is fake Steele dossier filled with lies.
2. The DNC paid for it.
3. The outgoing Obama FBI paid for it.
4. Fusion GPS was the lackey (legal firewall go-between) who was hired by Obama, HRC, and the DNC.
5. Bruce Ohr's wife actually worked for Fusion while Bruce himself was #4 at the FBI and an investigator.
6. And the entire intent of this Dossier was to make Donald trump lose the election.
7. and the worst part is that this dossier almost solely was used to obtain a FISA warrant and spy on Donald trump and his campaign team.
8. What's especially weird is that the big bad "Russians" that met with Trump Jr and Kushner for 20 minutes met with Fusion GPS ON THE SAME DAY. Double-agent anyone? Set up anyone????
9. So anyone with half a brain can see that it was indeed Fusion GPS and Steele as the true colluders. And it was HRC, THe DNC, and Obama himself that paid Fusion GPS in 2015 and 2016.
10. This would be a good time to remind everyone that Obama re-election campaing was paying Fusion GPS 1 million per year in both 2015 and 2016.

There is your "collusion." there it is in a nut shell. everyone knows it. Even you. And thats why charges against the author are being brought against him. Start there and follow the evidence where ever it takes you. And I do mean where ever.

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The closed door testimony of Fusion GPS Execs was devastating to Trump and Repubs are engaged in a propaganda war against all entities who have damaging information about Trump and his corrupt inner-circle forth-coming, this is all about creating a false narrative ahead of future indictments and damaging testimony....and it works will with deplorables. Fortunately, the uncovered facts will not be weighed or judged by the "Alternative Facts" Fox New echo chamber.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html

Yep. Pretty obvious what this is about.

Sen Grassley got called out by the FUSION GPS founders and he's throwing a hissy fit.

I mean Grassley HIMSELF SAID HE HAD NO PROBLEM RELEASING THE TRANSCRIPTS ...so the FUSION GPS founders are just holding him to his word.

If you're a "collusion skeptic" with an open mind you'll at least give these guys some props for being willing to put themselves out there.

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