Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

gambitx777 · Post #381 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:05 am

So the suns cut rivers? Who honestly would have been their starting point guard at this point lol. man we complain about our team but **** the suns are a mess.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #382 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:56 pm

gambitx777 wrote:So the suns cut rivers? Who honestly would have been their starting point guard at this point lol.

You've just seen Rivers play for the Wizards and you're suggesting Rivers starting at point guard would have been a positive? Even for the Suns, this was a smart idea. The Suns are a laughing stock but even they realized that the best way to deal with Rivers is to dump him as soon as possible. The only people who didn't realize that were Rivers' own dad (he actually might have realized that, too, but either way he didn't act on it) and Grunfeld/Brooks.

dckingsfan · Post #383 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:02 pm

OKC is playing really well right now. Adams/Noel at C, wow. It has let George slide over to PF - and he is playing amazing. Having Schroder has let OKC reduce Westbrook's minutes "somewhat". The wings are defending well and they are playing 10 deep.

Just very solid bball right now.

dckingsfan · Post #384 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:25 pm

gambitx777 wrote:So the suns cut rivers? Who honestly would have been their starting point guard at this point lol. man we complain about our team but **** the suns are a mess.

Yep, but they are rebuilding. They need to make decisions on Oubre/Holmes and they most certainly need a starting caliber PG. They will have a high draft pick in this next draft. And two draft picks next year.

It "seems like" they are at least 3 years out from getting into the playoffs in the west. 3 picks and a couple of free agents?

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Player             19-20
Devin Booker       $27,250,000 
Ryan Anderson      $15,600,000 
T.J. Warren        $10,810,000 
Deandre Ayton       $9,562,920 
Josh Jackson        $7,059,480 
Mikal Bridges       $4,161,000 
Elie Okobo          $1,416,852 
De'Anthony Melton   $1,416,852 
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Post #385 » by **nate33** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:48 pm

Houston signs Austin Rivers.

I actually kinda like the move. Rivers' style of game is probably more compatible with Houston than anyone else. One thing he does fairly well is get off shots in isolation. That's basically all Houston does on offense.

I'm not sure if he'll be successful there, but I like his chances there better than anywhere else.

payitforward · Post #386 » by **payitforward** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:58 am

It's amazing how many chances you get if you were a lottery pick.

I assume they'll drop Michael Carter-Williams, whose option they haven't picked up. He's another example of the above.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #387 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:08 am

nate33 wrote:Houston signs Austin Rivers.

I actually kinda like the move. Rivers' style of game is probably more compatible with Houston than anyone else. One thing he does fairly well is get off shots in isolation. That's basically all Houston does on offense.

I'm not sure if he'll be successful there, but I like his chances there better than anywhere else.

Just out of curiosity, what is Rivers’ game?

Dribble the air out of the ball, try to drive and, when unable to turn the corner, bail yourself out by passing to a covered teammate in a bad spot with the shot clock running down?

FAH1223 · Post #388 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:57 am

Spurs and Wiz were both 11-14 and among the worst in the NBA defensively

Pop is making adjustments, Spurs have held a bunch of teams under 100 lately and they don't have any All NBA defenders compared to having some last year..they have steadily climbed up the standings/defensive ranks

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I_Like_Dirt · Post #389 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:00 pm

nate33 wrote:Houston signs Austin Rivers.

I actually kinda like the move. Rivers' style of game is probably more compatible with Houston than anyone else. One thing he does fairly well is get off shots in isolation. That's basically all Houston does on offense.

I'm not sure if he'll be successful there, but I like his chances there better than anywhere else.

I'm sure Chris Paul will be ecstatic to see him!

gambitx777 · Post #390 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:37 am

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
nate33 wrote:Houston signs Austin Rivers.

I actually kinda like the move. Rivers' style of game is probably more compatible with Houston than anyone else. One thing he does fairly well is get off shots in isolation. That's basically all Houston does on offense.

I'm not sure if he'll be successful there, but I like his chances there better than anywhere else.

I'm sure Chris Paul will be ecstatic to see him!

The saying goes dantoni is like PEDs for point guards. Maybe he can get the best out of him.

But man the Cavs snaking McCaw from gs is dirty lol and I love it.

payitforward · Post #391 » by **payitforward** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Per 40 minutes this season, Kenneth Faried has grabbed 15 rebounds -- 5.1 of them offensive boards! -- while scoring almost 21 points at a TS% of 62.2%.

Which is why Brooklyn only played him 118 minutes & have just bought him out. He's off to the Rockets, proving once again that Darryl Morey is one of the very best NBA GMs.

(You're up, Dat --

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Eli Babak · Post #392 » by **Eli Babak** » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:55 pm

He's not a good defender and doesn't fit Brooklyn's style of play, but at least they got a 1st and 2nd for eating his contract. He'll help the Rockets since Capela is hurt but very likely he's unplayable in playoffs and out of the league next year (if he wants to play, sure he can be end of the bench player on a min contract).

payitforward · Post #393 » by **payitforward** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:13 am

Eli Babak wrote:He's not a good defender and doesn't fit Brooklyn's style of play, but at least they got a 1st and 2nd for eating his contract. He'll help the Rockets since Capela is hurt but very likely he's unplayable in playoffs and out of the league next year (if he wants to play, sure he can be end of the bench player on a min contract).

Is he not a good defender? That does make a difference. OTOH, he is listed as #45 of 97 in DRPM this year, so wouldn't that tell you he is slightly above average as a defender? Admittedly, since the formula for DRPM isn't public it's hard to know whether to agree or not.

Plus, come to think of it, it's hard to put much faith in that ranking, since he's only played 100+ minutes. How about last year...?

Oh... he's listed as #40 of 87. Well, how about 2016-17...? There you go. He's got a negative rating. You're right. He's not a good defender. BTW, if you are relying on DRPM, can you tell me how it's calculated? I'd like to know.

But, I guess you may not be relying on DRPM? Maybe you're relying on all the many times you've watched Faried play? What's the difference, right? We just found a number that supports your claim. What more could be needed?

As to the playoffs, maybe you are right that it is hard to play a guy who gets you 15 boards per 40 minutes & puts up a .622 TS% -- I mean, he doesn't shoot the 3, so his 20+ points don't really count.

Pretty much every FGA Faried misses he gets back by way of an offensive rebound. Think about that. That can't be a good thing, can it?

One thing is sure -- he's no Mike Scott!

Eli Babak · Post #394 » by **Eli Babak** » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:11 am

I knew you were going to respond something like that!

Rebounding and hustle are obviously his strengths and we'll see how he does in Houston. If he can't thrive with Harden and in D'Antoni's system then he's damned!

dckingsfan · Post #395 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:58 pm

Really too bad about Olidipo… playoffs with Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, 76ers and Celts was going to be interesting... guess it still will but you can count the Pacers out now.

Post #396 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:15 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Really too bad about Olidipo… playoffs with Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, 76ers and Celts was going to be interesting... guess it still will but you can count the Pacers out now.

We'll they're a full 11 games ahead of the current 9th place team, so they have some cushion. And they're far enough under the luxury tax to use any disabled player exception they're granted, plus take back salary in a trade to add a piece or two to stay in the playoff picture.

Of course, even if they make the playoffs, they're no longer a contender to come out of the East without Oladipo. More likely a first round exit, but it'll still be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out for them.

nuposse04 · Post #397 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:33 pm

BRK losing Spencer for some time now too with a thumb injury. Everything is breaking EG and Ted's way for another run at a 1st round exit.

closg00 · Post #398 » by **closg00** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:01 pm

Anthony Davis has requested a trade, the small market teams are doomed to be fodder for the super teams unless they get lucky like the Bucks with a blockbuster lottery pick.

Illmatic12 · Post #399 » by **Illmatic12** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:26 pm

closg00 wrote:Anthony Davis has requested a trade, the small market teams are doomed to be fodder for the super teams unless they get lucky like the Bucks with a blockbuster lottery pick.

Hmm.. wanna have a look at the top 3 seeds in each conference? Only one of the 6 is a big market team (other than Tor, but they are a "small" market in terms of American media)

http://www.espn.com/nba/standings

This isn't because the Pels are in a small market, it's because their FO/ownership is incompetent and has been for years. New Orleans Pelicans record since drafting Anthony Davis in 2012: 240-302

Since drafting Davis, they have been wasteful with their assets and given him no reason to want to stay. NOP has no one to blame other than themselves.

We can't keep bailing out teams that are poorly managed by claiming the struggles are due to their media market. Our own Wizards are a victim of that wrongheaded thinking.

Post #400 » by **nate33** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:31 pm

I don't think this is all that bad for the NBA as long as there is an honest bidding war for Davis and he goes to the team that puts forward the best package (likely Boston). What would bug me is if Davis and his agent hint that they won't resign with any team but LA, forcing New Orleans to make the trade for the poo-poo platter of Ball, Ingram and future late 1st round picks.