Political Roundtable Part XXV

[Pointgod]

An old image that feels relevant as I file my taxes:

That represents voting for Republicans in general. Don’t know why people would choose to actively screw themselves by voting for these morons.

[dobrojim]

Until someone leaked his taxes and discovered how badly he lies about his wealth. And that a large percentage is shady investors from Russia.

When looking at his wealth, if the NYT knows anything then a large percentage of his wealth is due to
sketchy tax dodges re his family's personal taxes and Pop's business. His income, yes, from Russian and
other foreign sources.

[Wizardspride]

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[TGW]

So in a matter of a month, two local democrats have shown how racist the Democratic Party is. One taking pictures in blackface with his friend dressed in a KKK costume; the other calling Prince Georges County, the county I live in and was raised in, a ni@@er district. The Democrats are actually trying to defend Northram.

Disgusting. And I'm expected to vote for Biden, who fought to uphold separate but equal policies? Yea, ok.

I know nothing about the Herring blackface incident but if you're
referring to Northam, I think your characterization is a little harsh.
Not that wearing blackface isn't racist and shouldn't be condemned.
It is and it should. But compare how he responded to the
revelation of this (his) behavior/event from several decades ago
to that of say DJT. Also compare his policies on racial matters to those
of GOPers. There is no comparison. One regularly makes coded or even open
appeals to the sorts of people who for example think that having a black friend proves
that they're not racist. The other was embarrassed, remorseful and apologetic.

(Speaking as a white person who maybe should just keep his
mouth shut on matters in this realm).

I don’t know why you bother trying to argue with TGW. What’s going on in Virginia is a complete **** and extremely complicated. The guy doesn’t understand nuance at all.

A white man put on blackface (on several occasions mind you) and tried to do the moonwalk on stage during his "apology" (and would have done it like an imbecile if it wasn't for his wife). Yea, that's really a nuanced situation.

Keep capin' for racists, Pointgod. You're not much better than Northram and Lisanti.

[Pointgod]

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Let us never forget there are posters in this thread that pushed this conspiracy. I’m calling out STD, Nate and TGW.

[TGW]

^Why are conservatives so obsessed with AOC?

There are 435 congressmen in the House, but right wingers follow this child around constantly looking for a reason to undercut her.

She isn't important....

let it go. Geeeez.

Ummm, what? She's very important. She's one of the most followed and well known politicians in America. She speaks for an entire generation (millennials). The GOP's obsession is ridiculous, but it's definintely strategic. AOC is a rising star in politics, and they don't have one.

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Let us never forget there are posters in this thread that pushed this conspiracy. I’m calling out STD, Nate and TGW.

Induveca as well.


I had to call out some fb posters for pushing that crap.

[Pointgod]

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Let us never forget there are posters in this thread that pushed this conspiracy. I’m calling out STD, Nate and TGW.

Induveca as well.


I had to call out some fb posters for pushing that crap.

And remember no matter how much we told them it was bull and provided evidence it was a lie, they wouldn’t listen. As far as I’m concerned this shows why these posters shouldn’t be taken seriously on any matter.

[gtn130]

Yeah there’s no mea culpa, they all just move on to the next right wing hit job without a moment’s hesitation.

[Ruzious]

Yeah there’s no mea culpa, they all just move on to the next right wing hit job without a moment’s hesitation.

And the same with the Comet PingPong restaurant. The failure to somehow not understand the whole thing was a horrible lie and therby perpetuating the lie led to a crazy person coming there with an assault weapon ready to shoot up the place and more recently someone tried to burn the place down. Perpetuating that lie... there are no excuses for that and never will be so don't even try - I don't know if I'll ever forgive - I certainly won't forget it. It was too close to home.

[Jamaaliver]

Ex-Trump White House lawyer calls Mueller 'hero,' says probe is no witch hunt



Ty Cobb, the veteran Washington attorney who represented the White House as special counsel Robert Mueller ramped up his investigation into Russian meddling, said he considers the man leading the probe “an American hero” and does not share President Donald Trump’s view that the Russia inquiry is a politically motivated hoax.

“I don't feel the same way about Mueller,” Cobb said in an extensive interview for the latest episode of ABC News' podcast The Investigation. “I don't feel the investigation is a witch hunt.”

Cobb maintains a belief that his report will spare the president from any serious political harm. Cobb said he believes Mueller has already revealed the bulk of the findings that the investigation will produce through the sentencing memos and “speaking indictments” issued against a group of 34 defendants that include Russian hackers and the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

John Dowd, another veteran defense attorney on Trump’s team, told "The Investigation" podcast recently that he considered the special counsel probe “one of the greatest frauds this country's ever seen.”

“Yeah. I don't share that view,” Cobb said.

ABC News

[Ruzious]

Ty Cobb shows it is possible to fight with integrity. This WH has never understood that.

[dckingsfan]

^Why are conservatives so obsessed with AOC?
There are 435 congressmen in the House, but right wingers follow this child around constantly looking for a reason to undercut her.

She isn't important....

let it go. Geeeez.

She represents the Rs best chance to keep the Senate, turn purple seats in the house and keep POTUS. Sadly, the Rs aren't stupid... they will keep beating up the GND until people run from it.

[Ruzious]

^Why are conservatives so obsessed with AOC?

There are 435 congressmen in the House, but right wingers follow this child around constantly looking for a reason to undercut her.

She isn't important....

let it go. Geeeez.

Ummm, what? She's very important. She's one of the most followed and well known politicians in America. She speaks for an entire generation (millennials). The GOP's obsession is ridiculous, but it's definintely strategic. AOC is a rising star in politics, and they don't have one.

She's a rookie high round pick with boom or bust potential. So far in her rookie year, she's shown signs of brilliance, and she's made some rookie mistakes. Has a lot of value on her rookie contract but not yet worthy of a max deal.

[dckingsfan]

^Why are conservatives so obsessed with AOC?

There are 435 congressmen in the House, but right wingers follow this child around constantly looking for a reason to undercut her.

She isn't important....

let it go. Geeeez.

Ummm, what? She's very important. She's one of the most followed and well known politicians in America. She speaks for an entire generation (millennials). The GOP's obsession is ridiculous, but it's definintely strategic. AOC is a rising star in politics, and they don't have one.

She's a rookie high round pick with boom or bust potential. So far in her rookie year, she's shown signs of brilliance, and she's made some rookie mistakes. Has a lot of value on her rookie contract but not yet worthy of a max deal.

The near-term value is actually high - as the Rs attack her it takes the spotlight off of Pelosi and has allowed her quietly and efficiently to manage the house. She did a terrific job in the negotiations with Trump.

Pelosi now looks like the adult in the room. So, AOC has had some value

[dckingsfan]

An old image that feels relevant as I file my taxes:

That represents voting for Republicans in general. Don’t know why people would choose to actively screw themselves by voting for these morons.

My take on this is it is more nuanced. There were three parts to the most recent tax bill, personal income tax reductions, corporate tax reductions and repatriation.

They were trying to use the tax cuts as stimulus, which on its face is a good thing. But they kind of swung and missed on all three.

The personal tax rate reductions just hurt bottom line receipts. They really should have just left this one alone (I agree with you here Pointgod).

The corporate tax rate reduction actually did spur both the economy and tax receipts. And it did bring our corporate tax rates down to a competitive level. If they had done this one by itself it would have been a winner and good for all. It would have been even better if they had slowly reduced the rate until it optimized receipts.

Repatriation ended up being a bust although a good idea (no other country taxes overseas profits like we do). But the when and how makes them look like bumbling fools. The when should have happened during a downturn (2008 would have been a perfect time for this). And their should have been limits on the repatriation to be spent on dividends, wages, capital projects or development.

The problem is - the next administration isn't going to learn from this. They will just jack up the rates for everything including repatriation. And that is just as bad.

What really needs to happen is an overhaul of the tax code... but I am off my rocker to think that will ever happen.

[dobrojim]

They were trying to use the tax cuts as stimulus, which on its face is a good thing.

I would take some issue with this. Fiscal stimulus should be held in reserve for recessions.

The GOP has no other (significant/meaningful) economic policy. No matter what the
situation is, they will always promote tax cuts.

[dckingsfan]

They were trying to use the tax cuts as stimulus, which on its face is a good thing.

I would take some issue with this. Fiscal stimulus should be held in reserve for recessions.

The GOP has no other (significant/meaningful) economic policy. No matter what the situation is, they will always promote tax cuts.

You make a good point. A stimulus should be used primarily in an economic downturn.

But then you have to look at the battle that Pelosi is having with the rest of her party on PAYGO. I would say that this issue isn't limited to the Rs.

And the corporate tax cuts were a significant and meaningful tool to spur the economy. If they had only done that - they would have looked terrific (especially if they had gradually lowered the rates).

And if they had also used the repatriation in the right way, that would have also been significant and meaningful.

So, as much as I want to bury the Rs because they failed - I don't want to lose track of the things that did right - or should I say, I hope the Ds don't lose track of this... just raising rates across the board is also not helpful.

[Ruzious]

An old image that feels relevant as I file my taxes:

That represents voting for Republicans in general. Don’t know why people would choose to actively screw themselves by voting for these morons.

My take on this is it is more nuanced. There were three parts to the most recent tax bill, personal income tax reductions, corporate tax reductions and repatriation.

They were trying to use the tax cuts as stimulus, which on its face is a good thing. But they kind of swung and missed on all three.

The personal tax rate reductions just hurt bottom line receipts. They really should have just left this one alone (I agree with you here Pointgod).

The corporate tax rate reduction actually did spur both the economy and tax receipts. And it did bring our corporate tax rates down to a competitive level. If they had done this one by itself it would have been a winner and good for all. It would have been even better if they had slowly reduced the rate until it optimized receipts.

Repatriation ended up being a bust although a good idea (no other country taxes overseas profits like we do). But the when and how makes them look like bumbling fools. The when should have happened during a downturn (2008 would have been a perfect time for this). And their should have been limits on the repatriation to be spent on dividends, wages, capital projects or development.

The problem is - the next administration isn't going to learn from this. They will just jack up the rates for everything including repatriation. And that is just as bad.

What really needs to happen is an overhaul of the tax code... but I am off my rocker to think that will ever happen.

Instead, this President who is hell-bent on reducing regulations signed a tax law that has added layers of confusion into the tax code - which has required mountains of regulations for Treasury to write - proposed regs, temporary regs, and final regs that probably aren't really final.

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