Wiz Sign Alonzo Gee, Pg 2 (WAS: We've got a situation here:)

[Wizards2Lottery]

I have no prob with Gee but don't you guys think he's just another somewhat lesser version of Thornton? I don't know...the both seem to play that same type of brutish game. Not much of a skillset between either player.

I'm with closgoo...I'm hoping for an Al T trade because I don't see the point in having both players.

I could be wrong but I thought Gee hit the three ball really well. Thornton doesn't really have a consistent perimeter game.

[Wizardspride]

Gee is alot better attacking the rim than Thornton. As horrible as Thornton shot is, i still think is better than Gee's unless Gee has magically improved. i would pick Gee over Thornton because Thornton has reached his full potential..especially regarding the mental side of basketball.
Gee would really have to show me that he can hit the three ball and show Gilbert like dedication to shooting three's after practice.

I might be wrong but I remember Gee hitting the three ball and looking like he had a pretty decent stroke too.

[closg00]

Another Blog-piece on Gee with 120 responses. It's interesting that Spurs fans are much more active on sites other than RealGM.
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/alonzo-g ... mer-league

[RickRoll_inDC]

Gee is alot better attacking the rim than Thornton. As horrible as Thornton shot is, i still think is better than Gee's unless Gee has magically improved. i would pick Gee over Thornton because Thornton has reached his full potential..especially regarding the mental side of basketball.
Gee would really have to show me that he can hit the three ball and show Gilbert like dedication to shooting three's after practice.

I might be wrong but I remember Gee hitting the three ball and looking like he had a pretty decent stroke too.

Gee went 7-9 in 180 minutes over 11 games last year. It's a really small sampling and is also less than one three attempt per game. OTOH, it is 1 attempt per 10 minutes of PT.

At least he has the cajones to put up a three pointer here and there.

[fishercob]

Another Blog-piece on Gee with 120 responses. It's interesting that Spurs fans are much more active on sites other than RealGM.
http://www.48minutesofhell.com/alonzo-g ... mer-league

I like the fact that in this age, there's a decent chance that Gee has actually seen this video. Hopefully he's taken the criticisms to heart and improved on his weaknesses.

[Hoopalotta]

From the Post's comments section:

melodious_thunk:
Time and time again, Ernest Grunfeld shows that he is at least three full steps ahead of the competition.

To wit: Ernest soberly eyeballed Gee last spring and correctly surmised that, at this stage of his career, Gee was not worth a future partially guaranteed contract. Sadly the Spurs had to pay him guaranteed money before figuring out same. Is it now clear that Ernest is a man you NEVER want to play poker with? Even if he only had a pair of 3's and he would still cause a man with a royal flush to fold!

Once again, Ernest Grunfeld gets his man at a price and time of HIS choosing, leaving the haters to simply stare in amazement as they tacitly acknowledge that "he done good"!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... to-re.html



This guy's a legend.

Actually, considering the sale of the team wasn't yet complete during the previous Gee saga, it could well be that there was no green light from ownership to offer any sort of 2011 contract at that point.

As to the current Gee-get, it would seem we're in a transitory slot with the roster considering the load of flawed and or untested pieces we've got on the wing. I'd be quite surprised if January's "guaranteed contract day" came and went without someone having been cut or traded.

Basically, it's....

SF - Howard/Thornton/Young/Martin/Gee
SG - Arenas/Hinrich/Young/Gee
PG - Wall/Hinrich/Arenas

We be rollin' deep.

It is highly probable that at least someone from that perimeter amalgam will be pinched with a whammy to the hammy or what have you, but you'd figure that they'd consider a guy or two expendable if Gee's a' get a serious look.

Personally, I would make Thornton available. He's a good bloke and he brings toughness and some burst, but he's a terrible fit as a fourth/fifth option to finish off plays as a spot up shooter in the halfcourt. Our first, second and third option guys just create situations where the ball needs to be flushed out and hit from deep with failure to execute there just sees them being chawed on by help defenders. I don't see that dynamic changing other than to become even more critical as chemistry is developed.

I guess that's all up in the air based on what Gee shows, though. If he can shoot 3-balls anything like he did for us last year, he's definitely beating Thornton out, but it's more than likely that there was a certain fluke factor at play. If not, he could easily be cut.

I also second the idea that Gee was colossally stoopid to swing back to Santa Ana and get buried on that bench rather than showcase himself here. Somebody would have given him a guaranteed contract with how he was playing; quite possibly a multi-year deal too.

[pineappleheadindc]

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Wiz have posted a video interviewing Alonzo Gee. He says he's glad to be back.

FYI

[go'stags]

Love Gee, glad to see him re-signed.

And I'd just like to point out that Thorton's string of mediocre games has coincided with Wall being out.

[dopeismarcus]

Welcome back Gee!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd rather sign Gee, waive Hudson and then potentially trade Nick Young.

I agree with all of the above except for trading Nick.

I want to hang on to NY for a bit.

I think the move needs to be to trade Thornton once Howard returns. I also think Nick has value as a scorer. I like Thornton's defense a lot, but Howard is better and that makes Al expendable at SF, particularly with Gee onboard for the long haul

Cartier Martin's another guy on the fence, but I like his shot making and overall game.

[hands11]

I guess this means less time for Cartier? I've always liked Cartier (mostly because he looks like Antonio Daniels). It was a good move to cut Lester Hudson instead of Cartier.

Well, in another post I was saying it was likely that Hudson would be deactivated so Yi could come back. So they cut him instead. So where do that leave us ?

Is Gee going to be active ?

Wall, Gil, AT, Dray, McGee
Kirk, NY, Martin, Booker, Armstrong
Gee, Seraphin

Yi injured
Howard injured
Hamady

Man, I really was hoping we would have gotten to see more of Seraphin while he was active but something is going to have to give when Yi comes back now. And then again for Howard before to long. Looks like Seraphin will be the one to get deactivated.

Guess Martin 6-7 220 and Gee 6-6 220 will battle it out from now till sometime in December.

Gee received a non-guaranteed deal with the Wizards, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. The team would have until early January to determine whether or not to keep him for the rest of the season. The source added that Gee's signing is not related to the health of Josh Howard, who has yet to play this season while recovering from left knee surgery. Howard is still on schedule to come back some time in December.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd rather sign Gee, waive Hudson and then potentially trade Nick Young.

I like that plan - except for the waiving of Hudson. He could come in handy.

What would be REALLY cool is if he got waived becasue he's the reason Eva Longoria is leaving Tony Parker.

Come to think of it - why did they cut him?

Supposedly, Tony Parker's been cheating with the wife of Brent Barry. He's also allegedly been texting a British model, and maybe doing more. I remember last year there was a French singer or something who he was allegedly involved with, but Parker denied and threatened to sue her. Rumor mills on hoops websites are worst than the Enquirer....

So, as far as we know, Gee didn't tap Eva. But I bet some of the other teammates might have a go here soon. Parker's having a great year but to mess around with a teammates' wife is a no no.

[hands11]

I have no prob with Gee but don't you guys think he's just another somewhat lesser version of Thornton? I don't know...the both seem to play that same type of brutish game. Not much of a skillset between either player.

I'm with closgoo...I'm hoping for an Al T trade because I don't see the point in having both players.

Its going to be a one month battle. Should be good for competition.

This put more pressure on Martin, AT and even Nick.

I see the tradable players are AT, Yi, Martin, Gee and even Nick still though he has played better.

There may be enough there to trade for something good. AT, Yi and Nick at least have some value.

[hands11]

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2010/1 ... ndex.html#

Wow. What is that behind Flips left ear ?

[WizStorm]

From the Post's comments section:

melodious_thunk:
Time and time again, Ernest Grunfeld shows that he is at least three full steps ahead of the competition.

To wit: Ernest soberly eyeballed Gee last spring and correctly surmised that, at this stage of his career, Gee was not worth a future partially guaranteed contract. Sadly the Spurs had to pay him guaranteed money before figuring out same. Is it now clear that Ernest is a man you NEVER want to play poker with? Even if he only had a pair of 3's and he would still cause a man with a royal flush to fold!

Once again, Ernest Grunfeld gets his man at a price and time of HIS choosing, leaving the haters to simply stare in amazement as they tacitly acknowledge that "he done good"!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... to-re.html



This guy's a legend.

Actually, considering the sale of the team wasn't yet complete during the previous Gee saga, it could well be that there was no green light from ownership to offer any sort of 2011 contract at that point.

The issue last year was never about EG not matching the partially guaranteed deal, it was that EG allowed Gee to become a free agent in the 1st place for the Spurs to even offer such a deal. My issue at the time had nothing to do with Gee the basketball player or with the Wizards not matching the Spurs offer, it was that it should never have gotten to that point. Bottom line, both Flip and EG wanted to keep Gee on a talent deprived team and EG let a deadline pass before extended Gee an offer that would have kept Gee on the Wizards for the rest of the season. With the deadline passed, Gee became a free agent and allowed the Spurs to swoop in with a deal. No matter how the EG defenders want to spin the saga, it was a goof plain and simple and brought into question his managerial and organizational skills.

I'm glad to see another opportunity for Gee in DC and hope all works out. He seemed to flourish in Flip's schemes and seemed very motivated to take advantage of the opportunity he was handed to be an everyday player in the league. I certainly hope he can recapture some of that magic and force his way into the team's future plans.

[Hoopalotta]

Yeah, I'm hardly an Ernie lover, but you'll have to excuse me if I'm not convinced that we have a holistic understanding of what went on behind the scenes, contractually speaking. At the end of the day, Gee could have stayed here but he refused our offer to finish out 2010 on guaranteed money and decided on San Antonio. Point blank, he wanted to leave. That says a lot and we don't know what all kinds of communications went on before that point.

Maybe the complaints here were spot on, but it wouldn't be the first time that a torrent of reflexive and gratuitous bitching was birthed out of faulty intel on this very message board, hard as it is to believe.

[closg00]

From the Post's comments section:

melodious_thunk:
Time and time again, Ernest Grunfeld shows that he is at least three full steps ahead of the competition.

To wit: Ernest soberly eyeballed Gee last spring and correctly surmised that, at this stage of his career, Gee was not worth a future partially guaranteed contract. Sadly the Spurs had to pay him guaranteed money before figuring out same. Is it now clear that Ernest is a man you NEVER want to play poker with? Even if he only had a pair of 3's and he would still cause a man with a royal flush to fold!

Once again, Ernest Grunfeld gets his man at a price and time of HIS choosing, leaving the haters to simply stare in amazement as they tacitly acknowledge that "he done good"!

In Grunfeld We Trust!!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... to-re.html



This guy's a legend.

Actually, considering the sale of the team wasn't yet complete during the previous Gee saga, it could well be that there was no green light from ownership to offer any sort of 2011 contract at that point.

The issue last year was never about EG not matching the partially guaranteed deal, it was that EG allowed Gee to become a free agent in the 1st place for the Spurs to even offer such a deal. My issue at the time had nothing to do with Gee the basketball player or with the Wizards not matching the Spurs offer, it was that it should never have gotten to that point. Bottom line, both Flip and EG wanted to keep Gee on a talent deprived team and EG let a deadline pass before extended Gee an offer that would have kept Gee on the Wizards for the rest of the season. With the deadline passed, Gee became a free agent and allowed the Spurs to swoop in with a deal. No matter how the EG defenders want to spin the saga, it was a goof plain and simple and brought into question his managerial and organizational skills.

I'm glad to see another opportunity for Gee in DC and hope all works out. He seemed to flourish in Flip's schemes and seemed very motivated to take advantage of the opportunity he was handed to be an everyday player in the league. I certainly hope he can recapture some of that magic and force his way into the team's future plans.

This is what happened, the historical revisionism by team-Ernie is embarrassing. I am glad that we were able to get Gee back. Next, trade AT.

[WizStorm]

Yeah, I'm hardly an Ernie lover, but you'll have to excuse me if I'm not convinced that we have a holistic understanding of what went on behind the scenes, contractually speaking. At the end of the day, Gee could have stayed here but he refused our offer to finish out 2010 on guaranteed money and decided on San Antonio. Point blank, he wanted to leave. That says a lot and we don't know what all kinds of communications went on before that point.

Maybe the complaints here were spot on, but it wouldn't be the first time that a torrent of reflexive and gratuitous bitching was birthed out of faulty intel on this very message board, hard as it is to believe.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't take "behind the scenes" knowledge to know that the Wizards had Gee's rights after signing him to the 1st 10 day contract. The only way that Gee had the option to sign as a free agent with another team is when the Wizards let Gee's 2nd 10-day contract expire before extending the contract for the rest of the season.

These are the facts, there is no spin and no inside knowledge for that sequence of events. Sure you can speculate that Gee made a formal request of the Wizards to not sign him for the rest of the season and the Wizards acquiesced to his demands that made him a free agent. I find that scenario a little far-fetched, especially knowing that Flip made comments in the media that he wanted to keep Gee and was genuinely shocked when the Wizards didn't retain him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yeah, I'm hardly an Ernie lover, but you'll have to excuse me if I'm not convinced that we have a holistic understanding of what went on behind the scenes, contractually speaking. At the end of the day, Gee could have stayed here but he refused our offer to finish out 2010 on guaranteed money and decided on San Antonio. Point blank, he wanted to leave. That says a lot and we don't know what all kinds of communications went on before that point.

Maybe the complaints here were spot on, but it wouldn't be the first time that a torrent of reflexive and gratuitous bitching was birthed out of faulty intel on this very message board, hard as it is to believe.

And what's so bad about reflexive and gratuitous bitching. Sometimes, us haters gotta hate.

Last year I couldn't do anything but bitch about EG before the trades went down. Even though things were getting better and EG had made some really good moves at the time, thoughts of "Ernest's" past few years' performance as Abe's GM were still in my mind when Gee was allowed to/chose to go to SA. I was really upset to see a player who performed extremely well not given a contract for the remainder of the year. The Obertos, Jameses, Boykins (and this season Armstrong) got/get guaranteed money that I thought Gee showed he deserved.

That was last year, however. I've turned the page and moved forward and now see EG in a totally different light under Leonsis. (I'm even seeing Flip in a different light this season). To see them snatch Gee up shows me these guys want to win and they've got a sense of urgency. I am pretty sure Flip wanted Gee back the most.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I'm hardly an Ernie lover, but you'll have to excuse me if I'm not convinced that we have a holistic understanding of what went on behind the scenes, contractually speaking. At the end of the day, Gee could have stayed here but he refused our offer to finish out 2010 on guaranteed money and decided on San Antonio. Point blank, he wanted to leave. That says a lot and we don't know what all kinds of communications went on before that point.

Maybe the complaints here were spot on, but it wouldn't be the first time that a torrent of reflexive and gratuitous bitching was birthed out of faulty intel on this very message board, hard as it is to believe.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't take "behind the scenes" knowledge to know that the Wizards had Gee's rights after signing him to the 1st 10 day contract. The only way that Gee had the option to sign as a free agent with another team is when the Wizards let Gee's 2nd 10-day contract expire before extending the contract for the rest of the season.

These are the facts, there is no spin and no inside knowledge for that sequence of events. Sure you can speculate that Gee made a formal request of the Wizards to not sign him for the rest of the season and the Wizards acquiesced to his demands that made him a free agent. I find that scenario a little far-fetched, especially knowing that Flip made comments in the media that he wanted to keep Gee and was genuinely shocked when the Wizards didn't retain him.

Perspective might be helpful. Like Hoop, I'm not a fan of Ernie. I've called for him being replaced a long time ago. But to make a big deal about letting go a player with as shakey a resume as Gee has is a little bit silly - especially since EG got him back for nothing. He's a 6'6 forward who hasn't accomplished anything in college or the NBA. He's a poor man's Bill Walker. Now, not having Bill Walker is a better EJ complaint. He was picked by the Wiz in the 2nd round and sold. Gee wasn't even good enough to get drafted.