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Re: 2013 NBA Draft--- 2nd Round Draft Options. 

Post#41 » by pancakes3 » Sat Jun 8, 2013 3:01 am

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hands11 wrote:Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.


Not a good sign that he couldn't dunk it on that first pick and roll.
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Post#42 » by AFM » Sat Jun 8, 2013 3:08 am

Bennett would have dunked it.
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Post#43 » by Dark Faze » Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:13 pm

I kind of hope we use all the picks. I'd like Seth Curry as that last one...not sure how can you sleep on a guy with a guaranteed NBA skill in his shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i70bZpNgpM

If he gets stronger I can see him as a better shooting Andre Miller with worse passing.
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Post#44 » by Ruzious » Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:56 pm

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hands11 wrote:Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

I though he was perfectly fine in that video considering the setting. He didn't make any mistakes and made jump shots. His strength/bulk is an issue, but he's dedicating the summer to that.

Speaking of players working out for the Wiz, James Southerland would make a lot of sense as the Wiz 2nd 2nd rounder as a 3 and D 3. He measured surprisingly well at the combine 6'7 without shoes - so make that a bit over 6'8. 221 lbs - though I would have guessed 210. 7'1 wingspan. Had a very good score on the agility drill. The problem is - he's 23, and his stats were only ok before this season. But he shot close to 40% on High Volume of 3's, so he should have more potential than a Cartier Martin. Here, he got a taste of the Monumental media http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000
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Post#45 » by Ruzious » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:00 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I kind of hope we use all the picks. I'd like Seth Curry as that last one...not sure how can you sleep on a guy with a guaranteed NBA skill in his shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i70bZpNgpM

If he gets stronger I can see him as a better shooting Andre Miller with worse passing.

I like Curry to, but he's nothing like Andre Miller as a player. Miller is a pure point guard. Curry pretty much hasn't shown any PG skills. But he can fit with the Wiz as a 2 because they have Wall - who can defend bigger guards.
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Post#46 » by sfam » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:10 pm

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

I really loved Siva's attitude in the tournament. The dude comes across as a winner. If perchance we do keep our late 2nd, I'd be fine taking a flyer on the guy. He has the mental chops to stick. Its just a matter of whether he can do so physically.
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Post#47 » by sfam » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:42 pm

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hands11 wrote:Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

Muscala didn't look great there. This vid shows that Muscala really needs to get stronger. He may be a great pick to take and stick in the D-League for a year. I don't think that's a bad idea. If the guy can bulk up, and he has decent offensive capabilities, he's still worth grabbing in the 2nd round.

Bottom line, other than perhaps Wolters, I just don't see a clear NBA player in the second round.
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Post#48 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Jun 8, 2013 5:20 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

I though he was perfectly fine in that video considering the setting. He didn't make any mistakes and made jump shots. His strength/bulk is an issue, but he's dedicating the summer to that.

Speaking of players working out for the Wiz, James Southerland would make a lot of sense as the Wiz 2nd 2nd rounder as a 3 and D 3. He measured surprisingly well at the combine 6'7 without shoes - so make that a bit over 6'8. 221 lbs - though I would have guessed 210. 7'1 wingspan. Had a very good score on the agility drill. The problem is - he's 23, and his stats were only ok before this season. But he shot close to 40% on High Volume of 3's, so he should have more potential than a Cartier Martin. Here, he got a taste of the Monumental media http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000


Muscala didn't do anything in the video that'll leave anyone in awe but the again the video's only a minute and a half long. I think his very average athleticism showed in the video but if you watched him in college you already knew that. What can't be seen in the video is Muscala's ability to find the open man much like Nene can.

If Southerland can't create his own shot, I don't know if he's much of an upgrade over Ariza or Webster. I think the Wizards need to add someone with diversity at SF, if not, I'd prefer for them to just focus on targeting a PF that can take some of the burden off of Nene --- I think Carmichael could be the answer . I'd also prefer for them to start looking for a guy to who could fill Okafor's shoes, someone like Trevor Mbakwe. I think guys like that are way more solid additions than a guy who's a spot-up shooter and not much more---assuming Southerland falls into that category.
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Post#49 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Jun 8, 2013 5:23 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

Muscala didn't look great there. This vid shows that Muscala really needs to get stronger. He may be a great pick to take and stick in the D-League for a year. I don't think that's a bad idea. If the guy can bulk up, and he has decent offensive capabilities, he's still worth grabbing in the 2nd round.

Bottom line, other than perhaps Wolters, I just don't see a clear NBA player in the second round.


You don't like Carmichael? I think he has a few characteristics that could carry over to the NBA from day one.
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Post#50 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Jun 8, 2013 5:34 pm

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AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.


He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

I though he was perfectly fine in that video considering the setting. He didn't make any mistakes and made jump shots. His strength/bulk is an issue, but he's dedicating the summer to that.

Speaking of players working out for the Wiz, James Southerland would make a lot of sense as the Wiz 2nd 2nd rounder as a 3 and D 3. He measured surprisingly well at the combine 6'7 without shoes - so make that a bit over 6'8. 221 lbs - though I would have guessed 210. 7'1 wingspan. Had a very good score on the agility drill. The problem is - he's 23, and his stats were only ok before this season. But he shot close to 40% on High Volume of 3's, so he should have more potential than a Cartier Martin. Here, he got a taste of the Monumental media http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000


Could use some of this in D.C...thought he broke something on Zeller's face. Was so brutal live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTxBNnnkAvs
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Post#51 » by montestewart » Sat Jun 8, 2013 6:33 pm

It did look brutal, and embarrassing, but give Zeller some credit for shaking off that concussive smackdown and getting right back into the game. Is that an illusion, or does he have some of that hit-me-as-hard-as-you-want in him? Probably just an illusion.
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Post#52 » by Ruzious » Sun Jun 9, 2013 12:01 am

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He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

I though he was perfectly fine in that video considering the setting. He didn't make any mistakes and made jump shots. His strength/bulk is an issue, but he's dedicating the summer to that.

Speaking of players working out for the Wiz, James Southerland would make a lot of sense as the Wiz 2nd 2nd rounder as a 3 and D 3. He measured surprisingly well at the combine 6'7 without shoes - so make that a bit over 6'8. 221 lbs - though I would have guessed 210. 7'1 wingspan. Had a very good score on the agility drill. The problem is - he's 23, and his stats were only ok before this season. But he shot close to 40% on High Volume of 3's, so he should have more potential than a Cartier Martin. Here, he got a taste of the Monumental media http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000


Muscala didn't do anything in the video that'll leave anyone in awe but the again the video's only a minute and a half long. I think his very average athleticism showed in the video but if you watched him in college you already knew that. What can't be seen in the video is Muscala's ability to find the open man much like Nene can.

If Southerland can't create his own shot, I don't know if he's much of an upgrade over Ariza or Webster. I think the Wizards need to add someone with diversity at SF, if not, I'd prefer for them to just focus on targeting a PF that can take some of the burden off of Nene --- I think Carmichael could be the answer . I'd also prefer for them to start looking for a guy to who could fill Okafor's shoes, someone like Trevor Mbakwe. I think guys like that are way more solid additions than a guy who's a spot-up shooter and not much more---assuming Southerland falls into that category.

Agreed. Again, I was talking about Southerland as someone to consider with the Wiz' 2nd 2nd rounder. I would not consider him with their 1st 2nd rounder. Mbakwe is interesting if he can stay healthy. He's old, and that crushes any chances of him being a 1st rounder, but I think he can contribute as a rookie. He outplayed several top prospects, if I recall correctly. His length and athleticism give opponents problems when his energy level is high.
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Post#53 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 12:06 am

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DANNYLANDOVER wrote:Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

I really loved Siva's attitude in the tournament. The dude comes across as a winner. If perchance we do keep our late 2nd, I'd be fine taking a flyer on the guy. He has the mental chops to stick. Its just a matter of whether he can do so physically.

Little PG's who can't shoot just don't make it in the NBA.
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Post#54 » by AFM » Sun Jun 9, 2013 12:11 am

Agreed. I like Russ Smith more than Siva anyway (although he's not coming out until next year).
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Post#55 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sun Jun 9, 2013 2:49 am

montestewart wrote:It did look brutal, and embarrassing, but give Zeller some credit for shaking off that concussive smackdown and getting right back into the game. Is that an illusion, or does he have some of that hit-me-as-hard-as-you-want in him? Probably just an illusion.


I don't know about tough but he does come off as pretty resilient, especially after that. I wouldn't mind Zeller as a Wizard in the right situation.
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Post#56 » by closg00 » Sun Jun 9, 2013 6:11 pm

Are any of these guys better than what we could get in 2nd round?
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Post#57 » by hands11 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:27 am

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
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He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

I though he was perfectly fine in that video considering the setting. He didn't make any mistakes and made jump shots. His strength/bulk is an issue, but he's dedicating the summer to that.

Speaking of players working out for the Wiz, James Southerland would make a lot of sense as the Wiz 2nd 2nd rounder as a 3 and D 3. He measured surprisingly well at the combine 6'7 without shoes - so make that a bit over 6'8. 221 lbs - though I would have guessed 210. 7'1 wingspan. Had a very good score on the agility drill. The problem is - he's 23, and his stats were only ok before this season. But he shot close to 40% on High Volume of 3's, so he should have more potential than a Cartier Martin. Here, he got a taste of the Monumental media http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000


Muscala didn't do anything in the video that'll leave anyone in awe but the again the video's only a minute and a half long. I think his very average athleticism showed in the video but if you watched him in college you already knew that. What can't be seen in the video is Muscala's ability to find the open man much like Nene can.

If Southerland can't create his own shot, I don't know if he's much of an upgrade over Ariza or Webster. I think the Wizards need to add someone with diversity at SF, if not, I'd prefer for them to just focus on targeting a PF that can take some of the burden off of Nene --- I think Carmichael could be the answer . I'd also prefer for them to start looking for a guy to who could fill Okafor's shoes, someone like Trevor Mbakwe. I think guys like that are way more solid additions than a guy who's a spot-up shooter and not much more---assuming Southerland falls into that category.


True what you said about Muscala. I just thought he would look a little different, even in a short clip. But you make a good point about what the clip doesn't show.

As for Carmichael, I agree he has a lot of what needs to get added.

Honestly, I'm almost more excited about what they can do right with a pick like Carmichael then I am about who the get in the first.

While evaluating the players in round one of this class, I found the ones I liked best in the group and they moved to the top of the draft now. But that doesn't mean I think any of them are great fits for what we need using a top 3 pick. There is no Beal type player and fit this year.

I'd almost rather picking later in this draft. Something like idea that involves picking up a player with experience in a area of need while trading back the top pick would be fine by me. If that involves moving Singleton, all the better.

If they can land Carmichael, even better. I would love to see Kevin S with some real competition.

Hell, I would be happy if they added any of Mason Plumlee , Gorgui Dieng , Jeff Withey or Colton Iverson as well.

This is just not the draft to good fishing for core pieces, so why force it and get stuck holding the bag. They already have Vesely from a draft like that. Just like that draft, they better move would have been trading back for Nikola.

If they use the top pick, Len is the one that makes the most sense but I would be alright if they didn't want to roll the dice this year and traded down instead.
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Post#58 » by hands11 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:40 am

montestewart wrote:It did look brutal, and embarrassing, but give Zeller some credit for shaking off that concussive smackdown and getting right back into the game. Is that an illusion, or does he have some of that hit-me-as-hard-as-you-want in him? Probably just an illusion.


No, I think that is something Zeller has. Its a quality that I don't think has been talked about much here but its a good quality to have. Also, I think Zeller will be very very coachable. I don't think you will have to worry about him not following the coaches instruction like some of the other young players who have come through here.

Kind of like Hansbourgh. That just keep doing what they are supposed to do next skill.
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Post#59 » by 12footrim » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:06 pm

Miguel Paul worked out for the Wiz recently.

http://beachcarolina.com/2013/06/09/mig ... n-wizards/

PG from East Carolina that can score and distribute. He started his career at Mizz.
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Post#60 » by sfam » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:48 pm

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He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

Muscala didn't look great there. This vid shows that Muscala really needs to get stronger. He may be a great pick to take and stick in the D-League for a year. I don't think that's a bad idea. If the guy can bulk up, and he has decent offensive capabilities, he's still worth grabbing in the 2nd round.

Bottom line, other than perhaps Wolters, I just don't see a clear NBA player in the second round.


You don't like Carmichael? I think he has a few characteristics that could carry over to the NBA from day one.

Yeah, Carmichael might make it. He's a nice bruiser with an OK shot.

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