Miami Vs Wizards 10/15/13 Preseason

[JWizmentality]

I actually think Jan was decent tonight. He disrupted a lot of plays and rebounded well. Kevin looks worse than last year. The hook is flat, still gets flustered when double teamed, and now he can't even catch the ball.

[montestewart]

Send Singleton+'14 2nd to some team so we can just bring in some goon.

Seraphin didn't play well at all. I'm not sure what I expected out of Jan tonight. I thought he played well defensively (he looked to be in position for some of those "fouls") and didn't stop the ball movement. With young bigs who still have some considerable growing to do, Miami is a hard team to shine against with their swarming D. I know people will rip on Jan every chance they get, but I thought he was a net + out there. Seraphin, not so much :/

And man, Beal...The real **** deal. Wall looked decent tonight to. I don't mind some of the shots he took, they don't seem like his normal shots, maybe he's just dickin around out there. Only think he needs to do is cut down on a turnover or two.

GR JR is lookin like a keeper as well. Booker and Al Harrington looked good too. Promising, but just one game.

Once again, I like your post-game wrap up. I could see the Wizards being fun to watch with so many options in Beal, Rice, Webber, Ariza, and Harrington (and maybe eventually Porter) for Wall and Maynor (or whoever) to work with. I also liked Vesely's performance OK tonight. When I don't think of him as a #6 pick, he sometimes looks like a decent bench hustle player.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

One thing gotta like about the Wiz preseason, they're getting good competition to help them get things ramped up for the regular season... Nets, Bulls, Heat, Knicks. I thinks it's good forcing them to come with more effort and raise their level of play.

[nuposse04]

Once again, I like your post-game wrap up. I could see the Wizards being fun to watch with so many options in Beal, Rice, Webber, Ariza, and Harrington (and maybe eventually Porter) for Wall and Maynor (or whoever) to work with. I also liked Vesely's performance OK tonight. When I don't think of him as a #6 pick, he sometimes looks like a decent bench hustle player.

Thanks, I aim to plz

Small ball may save us offensively. There will be teams we simply can't do that against but because the bigman is a dying breed in the NBA we may be able to get away with it for our fair share of games. What also helps is a good amount of 3pt shooters. We don't have the the amount of quality Miami has with their 3 pt game but we have 2 potentially elite guys (Beal and Webster) and streak shooters in Ariza, Al and maybe even GR JR who should be able to give decent minutes. Its nice to see Booker out there rebounding too, he had some sweet moves. I can't imagine Bosh is an easy match up for him either. I still think a reserve role might be best for him simply cause he doesn't need Wall as much as Jan does in order to be effective.

Also, I think Miami kind of started going through the motions after 4-5 minutes into the 3rd. Once we pounced on them it seemed like their starters at least, kinda said "**** it, I'm out." It is still nice to see our starters could hang with them. Birdman against Jan was also kind of interesting. I thought for the most part Jan did a fair share against a guy who is probably his upside at this point.

Lastly, I know DC is a transplant city, but where did all those Miami fans come from? Sickening to me to think there are that many people who wish well upon Wade and his mandingo of a jaw.

[80sballboy]

Al has looked good. Never remember him being this unselfish. Ariza is also quietly filling up the stat sheet. 13 8 and 5. Ves and Seraphin however continue to play themselves out of the rotation.

How can they play themselves out of the rotation? Who else is going to play up front other than Nene? Al is limited to maybe 15-20 minutes at most. Booker 20-25. Nene 30. We have no size. Nobody to protect the rim. Remember Miami plays a small lineup mostly. Unfortunately, we have to play one of those stiffs 10-15 minutes minimum assuming Booker can stay healthy for 82 games (yeah right).

I thought Book played well. Not sure about him starting at the 4 at 6-7 but he's the best option of a bad bunch.

Not thrilled with the way John played in the first half. Too much hero ball. Poor shot selections. He got the memo in the second half. Great ball movement. None of the 3-1 BS we say in the first half with the ballhandler not giving it up (Mostly John). I hate when nobody makes the extra pass or even one pass.

Not sold on Ariza over Martell. He's so damn turnover-prone and misses at least 2 layups a game. But he does defend. I guess if he can at least give us 10 with Nene, Beal and Nene as the primary scorers, we'll be ok.

Al, Webster, Manor, Rice?, Vesely/Seraphin off the bench could work. It's not Brooklyn but better than last year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Send Singleton+'14 2nd to some team so we can just bring in some goon.

Seraphin didn't play well at all. I'm not sure what I expected out of Jan tonight. I thought he played well defensively (he looked to be in position for some of those "fouls") and didn't stop the ball movement. With young bigs who still have some considerable growing to do, Miami is a hard team to shine against with their swarming D. I know people will rip on Jan every chance they get, but I thought he was a net + out there. Seraphin, not so much :/

And man, Beal...The real **** deal. Wall looked decent tonight to. I don't mind some of the shots he took, they don't seem like his normal shots, maybe he's just dickin around out there. Only think he needs to do is cut down on a turnover or two.

GR JR is lookin like a keeper as well. Booker and Al Harrington looked good too. Promising, but just one game.

Once again, I like your post-game wrap up. I could see the Wizards being fun to watch with so many options in Beal, Rice, Webber, Ariza, and Harrington (and maybe eventually Porter) for Wall and Maynor (or whoever) to work with. I also liked Vesely's performance OK tonight. When I don't think of him as a #6 pick, he sometimes looks like a decent bench hustle player.

I liked the way Ves played tonight too, he's carving out a niche as a defense and rebounding guy. Throw out his draft status, he's never going to have the offensive ability to justify himself as a #6 pick. Also accept that he's essentially starting from square one. Lockout, playing for a godawful team, position change from a SF to a PF/C type, total dysfunction with a historically bad start when Wall was injured--all that adds up to his first two years being a waste. No role, no plan for him, no minutes for him, it was just an unfortunate situation. Now he can find himself a role and start from there.

We're probably still years away from him and Seraphin being fully developed. They were so raw coming in and this was such a poor situation for the past several years, they've come along slow. But if Ves plays good D and rebounds this season, I'm willing to wait on him.

Can't wait til Porter gets back. With all these three point shooters spacing the floor, we've got room for another shot creator to operate from the high post and from mid range. I'm looking forward to seeing him start to unveil his diverse offensive game.

[GhostsOfGil]

Al has looked good. Never remember him being this unselfish. Ariza is also quietly filling up the stat sheet. 13 8 and 5. Ves and Seraphin however continue to play themselves out of the rotation.

How can they play themselves out of the rotation? Who else is going to play up front other than Nene? Al is limited to maybe 15-20 minutes at most. Booker 20-25. Nene 30. We have no size. Nobody to protect the rim. Remember Miami plays a small lineup mostly. Unfortunately, we have to play one of those stiffs 10-15 minutes minimum assuming Booker can stay healthy for 82 games (yeah right).

Fair point. Ves picked it up in the second half. Defended well, made a few strong moves under the basket but he also picked up way too many ticky tacky fouls. Seraphin looked awful once again. Even without pressure, his passed out of the post were sloppy and off the mark. With Meke down and Nene still hobbled by injuries, your right, we're stretched thin up front.

[hands11]

I actually think Jan was decent tonight. He disrupted a lot of plays and rebounded well. Kevin looks worse than last year. The hook is flat, still gets flustered when double teamed, and now he can't even catch the ball.

Miami does trap a lot but its seem clear they were instructed to hound Kevin the second he got the ball. He is going to have to learn. He got out of at least 1/2 of them, probably more maybe 60% of them, but he was forced into bad plays when hounded like that.

Its clear he has a way to go. Would have helped his game a lot if that hook feel. Not to worry about that shot though. He is pretty money with that. Just an off night in that areas. He mid range looked good.

But he doesn't look like a beast in the post. That hasn't changed. He gets a few more games to get it going, then the season starts. He could be the one to get traded with Singleton if they find the right player. But that wont be easy.

[Knighthonor]

JV look good on those rebounds. but the no calls hit him a lot.

[Knighthonor]

What I dont understand is why Beal doesn get the same kind of hype that oher hidden gems in his class got. just look at this game alone.

[hands11]

Al has looked good. Never remember him being this unselfish. Ariza is also quietly filling up the stat sheet. 13 8 and 5. Ves and Seraphin however continue to play themselves out of the rotation.

How can they play themselves out of the rotation? Who else is going to play up front other than Nene? Al is limited to maybe 15-20 minutes at most. Booker 20-25. Nene 30. We have no size. Nobody to protect the rim. Remember Miami plays a small lineup mostly. Unfortunately, we have to play one of those stiffs 10-15 minutes minimum assuming Booker can stay healthy for 82 games (yeah right).

I thought Book played well. Not sure about him starting at the 4 at 6-7 but he's the best option of a bad bunch.

Not thrilled with the way John played in the first half. Too much hero ball. Poor shot selections. He got the memo in the second half. Great ball movement. None of the 3-1 BS we say in the first half with the ballhandler not giving it up (Mostly John). I hate when nobody makes the extra pass or even one pass.

Not sold on Ariza over Martell. He's so damn turnover-prone and misses at least 2 layups a game. But he does defend. I guess if he can at least give us 10 with Nene, Beal and Nene as the primary scorers, we'll be ok.

Al, Webster, Manor, Rice?, Vesely/Seraphin off the bench could work. It's not Brooklyn but better than last year.

Trevor A parked in the corner 3 is a pretty effective shooter.

Best thing was the offense looked a lot more organized. Seemed like they really started to settle in and get their timing down. And that was against a tough D that jumped them early causing turnovers. But they settled in. Beal really helped there.

Hey, when you have a player going to 29 pts in 30 minutes, that makes up for a lot of other people not having great scoring games. Kevin was bad and they really didnt get anything from Webster. And they still scored 100 .. No one had more then 14 other than Beal. AH 14, Wall 13, Trevor A 13. Everyone else under double digits. They could have easily scored around 110 with Webster and Kevin picking in.

Interestingly, the ball actually seemed to move better without Nene out there. Maybe with Wall and Beal maturing they are getting closer to not needed a Nene as much. If so, they can go younger in the post instead. That a good thing. Nene still add maturity but I think they are getting closer to not needing that as the mantel gets passed. Besides, AH, and Webster are good mature players.

[hands11]

What I dont understand is why Beal doesn get the same kind of hype that oher hidden gems in his class got. just look at this game alone.

Nice guy. Injuries.

His time will come really soon and the media will love him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Send Singleton+'14 2nd to some team so we can just bring in some goon.

Seraphin didn't play well at all. I'm not sure what I expected out of Jan tonight. I thought he played well defensively (he looked to be in position for some of those "fouls") and didn't stop the ball movement. With young bigs who still have some considerable growing to do, Miami is a hard team to shine against with their swarming D. I know people will rip on Jan every chance they get, but I thought he was a net + out there. Seraphin, not so much :/

And man, Beal...The real **** deal. Wall looked decent tonight to. I don't mind some of the shots he took, they don't seem like his normal shots, maybe he's just dickin around out there. Only think he needs to do is cut down on a turnover or two.

GR JR is lookin like a keeper as well. Booker and Al Harrington looked good too. Promising, but just one game.

Once again, I like your post-game wrap up. I could see the Wizards being fun to watch with so many options in Beal, Rice, Webber, Ariza, and Harrington (and maybe eventually Porter) for Wall and Maynor (or whoever) to work with. I also liked Vesely's performance OK tonight. When I don't think of him as a #6 pick, he sometimes looks like a decent bench hustle player.

I have thought for a while that Vesely is a serviceable hustle player who rarely hurts the team overall when he is paired with scorers. Seraphin OTOH I'd trade because I don't think he is a good player.


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[Zonkerbl]

Wow. Team looks like they picked up where they left off last year.

[nuposse04]

Once again, I like your post-game wrap up. I could see the Wizards being fun to watch with so many options in Beal, Rice, Webber, Ariza, and Harrington (and maybe eventually Porter) for Wall and Maynor (or whoever) to work with. I also liked Vesely's performance OK tonight. When I don't think of him as a #6 pick, he sometimes looks like a decent bench hustle player.

I have thought for a while that Vesely is a serviceable hustle player who rarely hurts the team overall when he is paired with scorers. Seraphin OTOH I'd trade because I don't think he is a good player.


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I think Jan gets his fair share of hockey assists. Teams probably think he's easily flustered so a simple double team should net a TO (and sometimes this is correct) but he makes the right play to spring some good ball movement. He made a nice looking move in the first half that I have never seen him make actually, netted some bricked FTs but I guess its nice to see his capable of certain moves. I actually want him to post up more, which sounds bad **** crazy.

[GhostsOfGil]

What I dont understand is why Beal doesn get the same kind of hype that oher hidden gems in his class got. just look at this game alone.

Beal gets a ton of love. Bill Simmons is one of his biggest fans. The fans that base their opinions off his season stats, are normally underwhelmed. But for the people who actually followed him, they rate him fairly.

[Zonkerbl]

I think this season's motto should be "win ugly."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have thought for a while that Vesely is a serviceable hustle player who rarely hurts the team overall when he is paired with scorers. Seraphin OTOH I'd trade because I don't think he is a good player.

I think Jan gets his fair share of hockey assists. Teams probably think he's easily flustered so a simple double team should net a TO (and sometimes this is correct) but he makes the right play to spring some good ball movement. He made a nice looking move in the first half that I have never seen him make actually, netted some bricked FTs but I guess its nice to see his capable of certain moves. I actually want him to post up more, which sounds bad **** crazy.

It is a shame Jan can't shoot FTs. I am getting better at FT shooting to the point I am able to shoot several swishes consecutively (5+ today) with my right hand. I shoot about as well with my left (non dominant) hand as Vesely shot last season overall. My goal is to get to 60% with the left and 90+% normally in my non game setting routine. When I shoot normally, after practicing each hand separately, my real shot is pure because I am on balance.

I can't understand a pro being intimidated by a routine shot. Jan at merely 60% but confident to go to the line would be a FAR more effective player.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I am not getting the Vesley love-in. Maybe, I was watching a separate game, but for a starter he had 5 fouls in about 22 mins! Oh, he's also a self-check on offense...nothing better than a 3rd big off the bench. Sorry, I just can't get it out of my head that he was a 6th overall pick.

[deneem4]

Ves agitates, with a dominant player he would look better...thats what wall suppose to be...instead of worrying about the open player defenses #1 mindset should be dont let wall drive or leave him open...if that happens ves get easy rebounds and put backs...when beal got hot, ves looked good, when we were struggling he struggle, thats the type of role ves plays

Seraphin looked serviceable, coming from playing overseas is a different feel sorta how playing in Denver is...at the starr of the game alot of shots hit tip of rim, beal adjusted even wall sorta adjusted, thats why alot of our shots were missing, the elevation is different...

Beal looked wonderful, hopefully he csn prove we made the right decision by not trading him for harden...his handles has improved and he's attacking very wall'ish...he also got a pretty good vert,

Wall played ok, you can tell he over thinks jumpers sometimes, in a more hectic game I think he'll drain those jumpers, he definitely need to go stronger to the rim, he missed alot of layups, rose and westbrook dont do that, I expect the same from him...his defense was on par, he really disrupted passes and lanes...his passing is always superb, a few mistakes here and there but I think tht comes from over thinking

Ariza was good on both ends, I explained the missing shotd already, but when he started feeling it he was hitting them, I want to see him attack more he should be able to get to the line for the 3pt play with ease

Harrington and booker were incredible great pf options I expect one of them to start, I like Harrington playing with ves, and booker with the starters...nonetheless Harrington will be our key player off the bench along with webster and porter

Rice jr...big balls rice, I wish he could play point hes an xfactor off our bench and he plays with guts, he going to win us some games