Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[jivelikenice]

Not sure why anybody would trade for Nene at this point. Maybe if we threw in our lottery protected 2014 pick. Oops.

The Wizards wouldn't shock me if they managed to trade Nene with Ariza or Vesely for a worse contract. Amare Stoudemire?


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Problem with this deal is you cut into our '14 cap room. Would you be willing to give up $7 MM in cap space to get out of Nene's deal a year earlier?

[LyricalRico]

Would Boston we willing to dump Marshon Brooks for a TE? They get out of the second year of his deal. We take on some salary next year, but its minimal and we do need someone to backup Beal....

The checker seems to show Brooks as an upcoming FA, so I'm assuming Boston declined the option. So maybe one of our young FA's to be for Brooks?

[Ruzious]

Your line up doesn't work in my book. Still need another ball handler in the starting line up or someone that is more a post up player you can feed in the post, not just someone who scores in the post.

Getting Greg Monroe would help a lot.

How good where Otto's handles again ? If he doesn't have good handles, he isn't going to pair well with Wall and Beal.

A player like Iggy would really help this team.

I think the Philly assets might come on the cheap. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are to good for what they want to do this year which is win like 16-18 games. They already won 3 so they only have like 13-15 left.

Turner has never been a league favorite. I don't his value is prime. Sure he got off to a hot start, but is historical stats aren't that great. Same with Spencer. I team should have to give up the farm to get them. Specially under these conditions.

I'm not buying into your thought process there about needing a ball-handler to team with Wall and Beal. Wall is never going to be an off-the-ball player, so he's going to be handling the ball - for better or for worse. I want all my players to be able to handle the ball adequately, but it's not something I'd put as one of my top priorities just because the backcourt might not be great at it.

[hands11]

Your line up doesn't work in my book. Still need another ball handler in the starting line up or someone that is more a post up player you can feed in the post, not just someone who scores in the post.

Getting Greg Monroe would help a lot.

How good where Otto's handles again ? If he doesn't have good handles, he isn't going to pair well with Wall and Beal.

A player like Iggy would really help this team.

I think the Philly assets might come on the cheap. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are to good for what they want to do this year which is win like 16-18 games. They already won 3 so they only have like 13-15 left.

Turner has never been a league favorite. I don't his value is prime. Sure he got off to a hot start, but is historical stats aren't that great. Same with Spencer. I team should have to give up the farm to get them. Specially under these conditions.

I'm not buying into your thought process there about needing a ball-handler to team with Wall and Beal. Wall is never going to be an off-the-ball player, so he's going to be handling the ball - for better or for worse. I want all my players to be able to handle the ball adequately, but it's not something I'd put as one of my top priorities just because the backcourt might not be great at it.

All their starters do not have adequate handles.

That's kind of the point.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Here's the best Nene trade I can come up with.


Nene + Maynor to Lakers for Nash

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6347263


Why for Lakers? Gives them a big 3 of Nene, Gasol, Kobe. Lakers are always in win now mode, and Nene helps them win more than Nash. They can go with Blake and Maynor at pg, and probably be sold on Maynor who has had success in the west.

Why for Wizards? Nash makes less than Nene, and on a shorter contract. Gives them a vet mentor for Wall, one of the best pgs in league history.

Deal could also be made without Maynor, or possibly get back a throw in from LA such as Jordan Hill.

[hands11]

Would Boston we willing to dump Marshon Brooks for a TE? They get out of the second year of his deal. We take on some salary next year, but its minimal and we do need someone to backup Beal....

The checker seems to show Brooks as an upcoming FA, so I'm assuming Boston declined the option. So maybe one of our young FA's to be for Brooks?

I thought MarShon was a good prospect coming out of college and had draft scenerios were we picked him in 2011.

He is now on his 2nd team and not even getting any minutes. Just doesn't seem to have come together for him.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nba ... -news?rw=1

MarShon Brooks made his season debut on Sunday, going scoreless in seven minutes of action.
The Celtics already declined Brooks' option for the 2014-15 season and they don't seem convinced that he'll be a long-term fit with the team. His sequence of DNPs to start the year should have been enough to scare away fantasy owners, and we'll let you know if he starts carving out a bigger role.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... hon-brooks

Had a decent rookie year after recovering from injury. Then moved to the bench. Now warming it.

[TGW]

If/when Larry Sanders gets put on the block, should we make a move? He hasn't been playing much, and he's just been suspended for off-the-court shenanigans.

As much as like Gortat, he's expiring, and Nene is just aging and always injured, so getting some young bigs that can actually play would be nice. Maybe get Illy as well.

[nate33]

If/when Larry Sanders gets put on the block, should we make a move? He hasn't been playing much, and he's just been suspended for off-the-court shenanigans.

As much as like Gortat, he's expiring, and Nene is just aging and always injured, so getting some young bigs that can actually play would be nice. Maybe get Illy as well.

Depends on the cost. We don't have a pick to trade. I wonder if Milwaukee would trade him straight up for Gortat?

[LyricalRico]

Re: Sanders - If we're taking on a guy that just got an extension and also already has a pattern of misbehavior, I'd prefer to move Nene's contract in the deal. Problem is I'm not sure if Sanders/Gortat could play together. Maybe Sanders is the PF on defense and Gortat plays the PF on offense?

[nuposse04]

Sanders is athletic enough to play PF. He can guard guys on the perimeter and Gortat could provide some spacing offensively with his ability to shoot. I think we'd see analogous results like we saw with Nene/Mek. The Bucks ownership is treadmill enough to trade Sanders for Nene+'16/'15' pick though. Although I could see the cavs making a better offer. I'd offer porter too prolly but they got that greek kid with the horrifyingly lengthy name.

[Ruzious]

Your line up doesn't work in my book. Still need another ball handler in the starting line up or someone that is more a post up player you can feed in the post, not just someone who scores in the post.

Getting Greg Monroe would help a lot.

How good where Otto's handles again ? If he doesn't have good handles, he isn't going to pair well with Wall and Beal.

A player like Iggy would really help this team.

I think the Philly assets might come on the cheap. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are to good for what they want to do this year which is win like 16-18 games. They already won 3 so they only have like 13-15 left.

Turner has never been a league favorite. I don't his value is prime. Sure he got off to a hot start, but is historical stats aren't that great. Same with Spencer. I team should have to give up the farm to get them. Specially under these conditions.

I'm not buying into your thought process there about needing a ball-handler to team with Wall and Beal. Wall is never going to be an off-the-ball player, so he's going to be handling the ball - for better or for worse. I want all my players to be able to handle the ball adequately, but it's not something I'd put as one of my top priorities just because the backcourt might not be great at it.

All their starters do not have adequate handles.

That's kind of the point.

The real point is you're trying to put a premium on getting a player for a skill that will be downplayed because of the way John Wall plays.

[payitforward]

There is no good in trading for "skills." When a guy is on the court, you get *everything* he does. Thinking this way is what got us where we are.

We need better players. Period. Any way we can get them. The problem with getting them via trade is that it's hard to trade a bad player for a good one! (One reason it's so important not to trade away picks!!)

[hands11]

Ruzious

Just have to agree to disagree. Not trying to take the ball out of John hands, but even with a Parker, you need a Manu.

Westbrook needs a KG
Rondo need a PP
MJ had a Pippen.
Even Philly has Turner to help MCW.

You need more then one person who can dribble drive. Specially when you play teams that are locking down on defense. You need relief valves.

On the Wizards, they have spot up shooters. Next best to Wall might be Trevor A on the drive. Webster has some but not great. Beal right now has a lot of room to improve. They are all mostly straight line dribblers.

Another player that can dribble drive would help a lot. IMMO

[Hypnotizer]

Ruzious

Just have to agree to disagree. Not trying to take the ball out of John hands, but even with a Parker, you need a Manu.

Westbrook needs a KG
Rondo need a PP
MJ had a Pippen.
Even Philly has Turner to help MCW.
(...)

Ted needs Ernie.

[Ruzious]

Ruzious

Just have to agree to disagree.

Yes. The more the better.

Westbrook needs a KG
Rondo need a PP
MJ had a Pippen.
Even Philly has Turner to help MCW.

One could interpret that Rondo comment a couple of ways...

but... he needed Pierce for things much more important than his ball-handling ability - which is what we were talking about.

[Dark Faze]

What do you guys think about Faried and Andre Miller for Ariza?

Denver has some serious SF issues right now injury wise and I think the FO there realizes their current FO is flash over substance. As mcuh as they like Faried, he doesn't fit in well next to Javale at all and they need to look to replace that front court rather than extending Faried.

As for guards, they have Nate Rob, Foy, and Lawson, so no need for Miller.

We get a great backup for Wall in the form of a vet in Miller, and get a PF that's a monster on the glass in Faried to spell Nene. Book gets to go back to his bench role.

I might even bring Nene off the bench to keep him healthy. Bring Otto along slowly until he's ready to start at sf.

Wall
Beal
Webster
Faried
Gortat

Miller
Rice Jr
Porter
Booker
Nene

Damn! That'd get us back on track real quick...

[Nivek]

What do you guys think about Faried and Andre Miller for Ariza?

Denver has some serious SF issues right now injury wise and I think the FO there realizes their current FO is flash over substance. As mcuh as they like Faried, he doesn't fit in well next to Javale at all and they need to look to replace that front court rather than extending Faried.

As for guards, they have Nate Rob, Foy, and Lawson, so no need for Miller.

We get a great backup for Wall in the form of a vet in Miller, and get a PF that's a monster on the glass in Faried to spell Nene. Book gets to go back to his bench role.

I might even bring Nene off the bench to keep him healthy. Bring Otto along slowly until he's ready to start at sf.

Wall
Beal
Webster
Faried
Gortat

Miller
Rice Jr
Porter
Booker
Nene

Damn! That'd get us back on track real quick...

Oh hell yes. Don't see why Denver would do it, though.

[LyricalRico]

^ Agreed. Something like Ariza+Porter (assuming Porter shows something when healthy) for Faried+Chandler is probably more likely to get Denver talking.

[Dark Faze]

I can't give up Porter. I really think he's going to be a player, and our SF depth goes down the drain without him.

I'd give up Ariza + A top 5 protected 2015 pick. I don't see them getting better than that for Faried at all.

[Ruzious]

What do you guys think about Faried and Andre Miller for Ariza?

Denver has some serious SF issues right now injury wise and I think the FO there realizes their current FO is flash over substance. As mcuh as they like Faried, he doesn't fit in well next to Javale at all and they need to look to replace that front court rather than extending Faried.

As for guards, they have Nate Rob, Foy, and Lawson, so no need for Miller.

We get a great backup for Wall in the form of a vet in Miller, and get a PF that's a monster on the glass in Faried to spell Nene. Book gets to go back to his bench role.

I might even bring Nene off the bench to keep him healthy. Bring Otto along slowly until he's ready to start at sf.

Wall
Beal
Webster
Faried
Gortat

Miller
Rice Jr
Porter
Booker
Nene

Damn! That'd get us back on track real quick...

Denver's also loaded at SF. If the Wiz are going to get Faried, they probably need a 3rd team that can use Ariza and has a good shooting guard that they'd be willing to deal.