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Post#41 » by barelyawake » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:22 am

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barelyawake wrote:If you don't like betting on sure things, then don't bet on Durant coming home as he promised to the media, his friends, his agent and his mother. "I swear on my Momma's eyes that I will be a Wizard." -- Kevin Durant.


Not to lose any sure bet money but... I would think we would need to be one player away from contending for Kevin to come here. As we are currently - don't think he comes when he could actually compete for a championship in OKC.

Just saying...


A) If Durant goes back on his promise to come to the Wizards when his contract expires, it would be unusual for a person of his high moral fiber.

B) To be one piece away, if Durant is that piece, we would need only a defensive center. We have two years to get a defensive center. Durant/Beal/Wall/Porter/Webster/defensive center is a championship team, just saying.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#42 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:04 am

I've been under the impression Monroe would be the target this offseason. He and Porter are friends, Ted is a G'Town alum and has indicated the next step of "the plan" is to sign a major FA, Ernie has mentioned they will have the cap space to sign a max player this offseason, and since we have our wings of the future in place with Wall, Beal, Porter, Webster, adding a big man to this equation is only logical, and Monroe being a RFA is an obvious target.

If we offer him a max deal, I have my doubts that Detroit would max. But our money would be completely tied up in Monroe, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Wall, Maynor. We'd have to fill the rest of our bench with min salary players. Moving Nene to get his salary out asap would have to become a top priority IMO if we do get Monroe.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#43 » by GeeWiz » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:40 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I've been under the impression Monroe would be the target this offseason. He and Porter are friends, Ted is a G'Town alum and has indicated the next step of "the plan" is to sign a major FA, Ernie has mentioned they will have the cap space to sign a max player this offseason, and since we have our wings of the future in place with Wall, Beal, Porter, Webster, adding a big man to this equation is only logical, and Monroe being a RFA is an obvious target.

If we offer him a max deal, I have my doubts that Detroit would max. But our money would be completely tied up in Monroe, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Wall, Maynor. We'd have to fill the rest of our bench with min salary players. Moving Nene to get his salary out asap would have to become a top priority IMO if we do get Monroe.


If Detroit decides not to trade Monroe at the deadline, my gut feeling is that he will be in the Washington uniform. The Smith signing was the writing on the wall.

Out of the 7 players named, 6 of them are solid. Wall, Beal and Monroe would be a young big 3, with Otto, Webby, and Nene being solid. As for Maynor... well, he is suck.

But that is a great core, and ridding themselves of Nene and his contract could get them a few nice bench pieces from a contending, win-now team, or maybe a team looking for a veteran leader.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kyahm2c - Kings looking for a veteran precence to maybe keep DMC in check while Washington gets a scoring punch off the bench and a nice big in Thompson.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mf9k792 - This is a pipe dream, but: Rockets get a big PF that can shoot the mid range shot and clear the paint for D12. Wizards get a stretch-4 and a solid center.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#44 » by Knighthonor » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:58 am

Get some bigs in the draft. If they dont get top 4 this draft, go for a big.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#45 » by verbal8 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:36 pm

Knighthonor wrote:Get some bigs in the draft. If they dont get top 4 this draft, go for a big.


If the Wizards make the play-offs there is no first round pick in the draft. A good GM might be able to pick up a productive player in the 2nd round, but they would likely be a 15 mpg type player and maybe a couple years from that point.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#46 » by verbal8 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:42 pm

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truwizfan4evr wrote:Would anyone take a chance on Larry Sanders?


I would certainly take a chance on him, but would he be out of our price range?
He started off the season pretty poorly and is now in legal trouble i wouldn't be shocked if the Bucks wanted to trade him.


The situation with Sanders, does seem a little bit like the end of Webbers time in DC. I think most teams are smarter than the Wizards were then, but I could see the Bucks willing to "sell low" on Sanders. I think it probably takes something around Porter to get a deal done. Sanders is a bit tricky to trade for because of his Poison Pill, but if a 3rd team will take on a mid priced guy for a TPE, the deal becomes a lot easier.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#47 » by dckingsfan » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:41 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
barelyawake wrote:If you don't like betting on sure things, then don't bet on Durant coming home as he promised to the media, his friends, his agent and his mother. "I swear on my Momma's eyes that I will be a Wizard." -- Kevin Durant.


Not to lose any sure bet money but... I would think we would need to be one player away from contending for Kevin to come here. As we are currently - don't think he comes when he could actually compete for a championship in OKC.

Just saying...


A) If Durant goes back on his promise to come to the Wizards when his contract expires, it would be unusual for a person of his high moral fiber.

B) To be one piece away, if Durant is that piece, we would need only a defensive center. We have two years to get a defensive center. Durant/Beal/Wall/Porter/Webster/defensive center is a championship team, just saying.


AA) There can be all types of caveats that would let him out of this promise (ones that can be rationally justified - although not to a fan).

BA) I think we would need more depth in the FC. Because Durant primarily plays at SF. So, I don't think the above team would be a championship caliber team (we will have to agree to disagree on this one) but the question will be when it is time for Durant to choose - is this team better than the one I am on... and who is going to build the better team - EG or SP?
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#48 » by barelyawake » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:13 pm

Trip A) Kevin has never broken his word or obfuscated. Not once. Kevin is what we should all hope to become morally. So, when he openly (and vehemently) proclaims to the media, his friends, his agent and his family that he has decided in his mind, with all certitude, that he will be a Wizard in two years, who are you to dispute him? Is your word as good as a Kevin Durant promise?



Trip B) Both Kevin and his coach disagree with you about him playing power forward. Kevin bulked up specifically to play power forward...

"I think it allows KD to give them a very difficult matchup,” Brooks explained. “When he's at the (power forward spot), he can guard basically every position on the floor. So it allows us to attack offensively. They have to decide, are they going to put a big guy or a shooter on KD? We like our chances with either one.”

Also read...
http://dimemag.com/2012/10/the-thunder- ... r-forward/


Wall also disagrees with you in that he wants a stretch PF. Durant is the ultimate stretch PF. With a defensive/rebounding center, as well as stifling defense from our entire team, we would feast on steals and fastbreaks. Also, a team of Webster/Durant/Beal/Wall/defensive center would roam and rebound. They would shutdown offenses outside, and funnel drivers into the swatting, defensive center. Defensive players are easier to draft and sign (to fill the bench). Defensive centers regularly fall to the late first round. And a team with Beal/Webster hitting treys from outside; Wall slashing; and Durant doing his thing would never want for offense.

And said team would draw vets wanting to sign-up for the minimum just to get a title against LeBron -- especially because we live in a major destination city unlike the toxic dustbowl that used to be Oklahoma.
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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#49 » by TGW » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Please don't bring this ridiculous Kevin Durant pipedream to this thread too.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Post#50 » by barelyawake » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:00 pm

TGW wrote:Please don't bring this ridiculous Kevin Durant pipedream to this thread too.

Pipe dream says you. Solemn, blood oath says Kevin Wayne Durant. I'll go with what Kevin Durant says on matters of Kevin Durant's future over the curmudgeon killjoy. Some Wizards' fans simply can't accept/fathom success.
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Post#51 » by GeeWiz » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:26 pm

Ok, definitely not banking on Durant.
Any other ideas, anybody?


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Post#52 » by barelyawake » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:31 pm

GeeWiz wrote:Ok, definitely not banking on Durant.
Any other ideas, anybody?


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With the players currently playing in the NBA, and with our current roster, there are only a few paths to a championship. The LEAST pipedreamy of which is to get Durant considering: he said if he left OKC he would play for the Wiz (that part is non-fiction); DC is his hometown; Wall and Durant are friends; we can have the cap to get him; and the media is already speculating about him coming here.

As a fan, what you can do is continue to pump said idea into the media (via radio, web, etc)...

And the "anybody" agrees with said idea (barring a few curmudgeons). Last time I'm explaining it. Two more years of doing it to go...
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Post#53 » by GeeWiz » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:36 pm

But Durant grew up a Raptors fan, no?


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Post#54 » by TGW » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:53 pm

barelyawake wrote:
TGW wrote:Please don't bring this ridiculous Kevin Durant pipedream to this thread too.

Pipe dream says you. Solemn, blood oath says Kevin Wayne Durant. I'll go with what Kevin Durant says on matters of Kevin Durant's future over the curmudgeon killjoy. Some Wizards' fans simply can't accept/fathom success.


LOL whatever dude. Continue to smoke the pipe...KD ain't coming here.
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Post#55 » by barelyawake » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:17 pm

"Whatever dude, there'll never be peace on Earth." -- Jesus Christ

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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#56 » by queridiculo » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:44 pm

While on the topic of future Wizards Kevin Durant, he'll be an excellent tutor and running mate for our 2014 lottery pick Jabari Parker.

With both of them capable of playing the 3 and 4, I can't wait to watch them play off each other with Wall running the show.

Championship!

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Re: Front Court of the Future? 

Post#57 » by mohammed10 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:16 pm

barelyawake wrote:
GeeWiz wrote:Ok, definitely not banking on Durant.
Any other ideas, anybody?


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With the players currently playing in the NBA, and with our current roster, there are only a few paths to a championship. The LEAST pipedreamy of which is to get Durant considering: he said if he left OKC he would play for the Wiz (that part is non-fiction); DC is his hometown; Wall and Durant are friends; we can have the cap to get him; and the media is already speculating about him coming here.

As a fan, what you can do is continue to pump said idea into the media (via radio, web, etc)...

And the "anybody" agrees with said idea (barring a few curmudgeons). Last time I'm explaining it. Two more years of doing it to go...


Should we also try for 'Melo since DC is his relative hometown? What about Rudy Gay, too??

I agree with the pipedream crowd. While I would love it, I just see no way to get KD to DC.
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Post#58 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:41 pm

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If the Wizards determine it's time to move away from Nene, then I'm feeling good about bringing Monroe in. Nene's still the most difficult Wizard to build around IMO; Monroe would be a whole heck of a lot easier to complement with another player.


The only thing Monroe has over Nene is age/health. I don't think Nene is hard to build around.

I haven't watched as much basketball as most of you guys. How would you compare Monroe to Gortat and Nene in terms of what he would bring to the team? My impression is that he is more of a C/PF hybrid than a PF/C hybrid, and would bring low post scoring and solid passing, but isn't the best defender or floor spacer.

If we did sign Monroe, would you keep Nene and Gortat? All things being equal, I would rather have Gortat, based on his age and health. Gortat is expiring though and that is probably the money we would use on Monroe.



Monroe is the better rebounder between him and Nene. I feel the guy who plays alongside Nene has to fill a lot of holes to hide what Nene isn't great at. That's why I say I feel Nene is difficult to build around being a centerpiece of the team.

I would like Monroe as the main big man in Washington versus pairing him with either Gortat or Nene. I think he would bring a physicality that Gortat doesn't along with low post scoring abilty and athleticism. I think behind John Wall, he could have the next best shot at making the All-Star team as a Wizard.

If I had to choose between who to pair Monroe with it would be Gortat, simply because he's really the team's only shot deterrent in the paint...in a finesse kind of way.
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Post#59 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:09 pm

LeBron James quote was that he wanted to go where Durant was going... So Durant will move to PF and James to SF. They agreed to split whatever salary was available. Lopez is ticked off at Brooklyn and wants a trade to the Wiz... so there you have it... Wall/Beal/James/Durant/Lopez - bench of Webster/Ariza/Nene/Gortat.

Finally time for domination - get it done EG!!!
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Post#60 » by Dat2U » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:23 pm

If we make the playoffs and Ernie/Witt get extensions, we can forget about the Durant. But good news is David Lee will be a 33 yr old free agent and if the money is there, Ernie could overpay for him instead.

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