The Wizards' next coach

Illmatic21 · Post #41 » by **Illmatic21** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:George Karl. He has some issues when it comes to the post season but he's fantastic at developing young talent and winning during the regular season. We need someone that can milk the most out of Wall/Beal/Rice/Porter right now.

I think it would be a good time to hire Karl. He's got a HUGE ego that's gotten in his way in the past - and he is stubborn to a fault, but the cancer fight I think has matured him, and he definitely wants to leave a legacy as a great coach. Hopefully it won't be a Shannahan type situation - as I believe he will want to groom his son to be a future NBA head coach. Normally I don't like the head coach recycling thing, but I think the timing is really good to hire him.

Karl has complimented the Wizards quite a bit on tv this year.. he really likes the young talent on the team.

He does seem like an egotistical ahole though, but so is our current coach so not much difference there

manifested · Post #42 » by **manifested** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:18 pm

Found this list from last year: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... head-coach

Don't know much about the list, aside from watching Hoiberg's Iowa State team in the NCAA tournament. Any thoughts?

mohammed10 · Post #43 » by **mohammed10** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:18 pm

Some said earlier that you have to can Ernie, pick a new GM and allow that person to find his new HC.

If you leave Ernie in place and have a new coach like Karl or SVG, we will still be 'Grunfelded'.

Time to clean house and stop with all the half-measures, Ted

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #44 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm

Nivek wrote:Joerger is currently the head coach in Memphis. The only way Washington gets him is if the Grizzlies fire him.

To AWIZZINGBULLET's question: the thing about Joerger that made him an attractive candidate for some of us was the performance of his teams when he was head coach at lower levels. His minor league coaching resume is similar to those of Phil Jackson and Flip Saunders. His minor league teams were extremely successful, and were characterized by good defense and outstanding effort.

Okay good feedback. Now I looked at Don Newman's coaching resume through the college ranks a while back--- maybe mid to late last year-- if I remember correctly he struggled mightily at both Arizona State and Sam Houston State, I think it was .

What is your take on Don Newman given the time he's spent with the San Antonio Spurs versus his college coaching career? Would you feel comfortable turning the reins over to Newman if it was decided that Wittman is no longer the guy for the job?

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #45 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:20 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I see Dave Joerger's name popping up in here and around the league as a favorite for a HC job, question is what makes him such a leading candidate?

How does one evaluate an assistant coach and draw the conclusion that he's fit for a head coaching position?

I ask this with Don Newman in mind.

Joerger is doing a good job in Memphis. He has them back to playing at the level of the Western Conference Finals team after their rough start and Gasol's injury.

It also helps that they have a couple shooters now added to their lineup.

I obviously don't follow the Grizzlies coaching staff closely enough...

They could once again be a major threat to the Spurs in the first round if the WC standings hold up.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #46 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:25 pm

montestewart wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I see Dave Joerger's name popping up in here and around the league as a favorite for a HC job, question is what makes him such a leading candidate?

How does one evaluate an assistant coach and draw the conclusion that he's fit for a head coaching position?

I ask this with Don Newman in mind.

I think he's coaching the Grizzlies now. One of the reasons he was viewed so positively was because of his past success as a head coach at lower levels (CBA, D-League, etc).

That's good to know. Would have had a hard time believing that coaching success in minor leagues could translate to success in the NBA.

Post #47 » by **montestewart** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:34 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
montestewart wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I see Dave Joerger's name popping up in here and around the league as a favorite for a HC job, question is what makes him such a leading candidate?

How does one evaluate an assistant coach and draw the conclusion that he's fit for a head coaching position?

I ask this with Don Newman in mind.

I think he's coaching the Grizzlies now. One of the reasons he was viewed so positively was because of his past success as a head coach at lower levels (CBA, D-League, etc).

That's good to know. Would have had a hard time believing that coaching success in minor leagues could translate to success in the NBA.

As Nivek observes above (and CCJ and others elsewhere) it's actually been a pretty good predictor of success at the next level.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #48 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:39 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Nivek wrote:Joerger is currently the head coach in Memphis. The only way Washington gets him is if the Grizzlies fire him.

To AWIZZINGBULLET's question: the thing about Joerger that made him an attractive candidate for some of us was the performance of his teams when he was head coach at lower levels. His minor league coaching resume is similar to those of Phil Jackson and Flip Saunders. His minor league teams were extremely successful, and were characterized by good defense and outstanding effort.

Okay good feedback. Now I looked at Don Newman's coaching resume through the college ranks a while back--- maybe mid to late last year-- if I remember correctly he struggled mightily at both Arizona State and Sam Houston State, I think it was .

What is your take on Don Newman given the time he's spent with the San Antonio Spurs versus his college coaching career? Would you feel comfortable turning the reins over to Newman if it was decided that Wittman is no longer the guy for the job?

Edit: Sacramento State

Nivek · Post #49 » by **Nivek** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:55 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Nivek wrote:Joerger is currently the head coach in Memphis. The only way Washington gets him is if the Grizzlies fire him.

To AWIZZINGBULLET's question: the thing about Joerger that made him an attractive candidate for some of us was the performance of his teams when he was head coach at lower levels. His minor league coaching resume is similar to those of Phil Jackson and Flip Saunders. His minor league teams were extremely successful, and were characterized by good defense and outstanding effort.

Okay good feedback. Now I looked at Don Newman's coaching resume through the college ranks a while back--- maybe mid to late last year-- if I remember correctly he struggled mightily at both Arizona State and Sam Houston State, I think it was .

What is your take on Don Newman given the time he's spent with the San Antonio Spurs versus his college coaching career? Would you feel comfortable turning the reins over to Newman if it was decided that Wittman is no longer the guy for the job?

Newman's college teams were terrible, although it's worth that no one has succeeded at Sacramento State. He was their 2nd coach in school history (taking over in the 2nd season they had a team). While they didn't improve much under his leadership (their best record with him was 7-20), the school's high water mark was 15-15 nine seasons after Newman departed.

He coached one year (as an "interim" head coach) at Arizona State, taking over a squad that went 10-20 the year before he arrived (coached by Bill Frieder). They went 18-14 in Newman's season. He left to do something for a year, then showed up on the Bucks staff in 1999.

Honestly, I don't think his resume suggests he'd be a good head coach. He's been an assistant on good teams, but he hasn't won as the head guy.

Want the next Joerger? Try Nevada Smith, who's the head coach of the Rockets' D-League team. Winning there, won as a college coach, will probably win when he gets an NBA shot.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #50 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:04 pm

Nivek wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Nivek wrote:Joerger is currently the head coach in Memphis. The only way Washington gets him is if the Grizzlies fire him.

To AWIZZINGBULLET's question: the thing about Joerger that made him an attractive candidate for some of us was the performance of his teams when he was head coach at lower levels. His minor league coaching resume is similar to those of Phil Jackson and Flip Saunders. His minor league teams were extremely successful, and were characterized by good defense and outstanding effort.

Okay good feedback. Now I looked at Don Newman's coaching resume through the college ranks a while back--- maybe mid to late last year-- if I remember correctly he struggled mightily at both Arizona State and Sam Houston State, I think it was .

What is your take on Don Newman given the time he's spent with the San Antonio Spurs versus his college coaching career? Would you feel comfortable turning the reins over to Newman if it was decided that Wittman is no longer the guy for the job?

Newman's college teams were terrible, although it's worth that no one has succeeded at Sacramento State. He was their 2nd coach in school history (taking over in the 2nd season they had a team). While they didn't improve much under his leadership (their best record with him was 7-20), the school's high water mark was 15-15 nine seasons after Newman departed.

He coached one year (as an "interim" head coach) at Arizona State, taking over a squad that went 10-20 the year before he arrived (coached by Bill Frieder). They went 18-14 in Newman's season. He left to do something for a year, then showed up on the Bucks staff in 1999.

Honestly, I don't think his resume suggests he'd be a good head coach. He's been an assistant on good teams, but he hasn't won as the head guy.

Want the next Joerger? Try Nevada Smith, who's the head coach of the Rockets' D-League team. Winning there, won as a college coach, will probably win when he gets an NBA shot.

What college and what year?

Upper Decker · Post #51 » by **Upper Decker** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:12 pm

Wizards will never hire an outside the box type coach. As far as I'm concerned this job is Whitttman's or George Karl's next season. Any discussion beyond that is wasting your breath.

verbal8 · Post #52 » by **verbal8** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:15 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Nivek wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Okay good feedback. Now I looked at Don Newman's coaching resume through the college ranks a while back--- maybe mid to late last year-- if I remember correctly he struggled mightily at both Arizona State and Sam Houston State, I think it was .

What is your take on Don Newman given the time he's spent with the San Antonio Spurs versus his college coaching career? Would you feel comfortable turning the reins over to Newman if it was decided that Wittman is no longer the guy for the job?

Newman's college teams were terrible, although it's worth that no one has succeeded at Sacramento State. He was their 2nd coach in school history (taking over in the 2nd season they had a team). While they didn't improve much under his leadership (their best record with him was 7-20), the school's high water mark was 15-15 nine seasons after Newman departed.

He coached one year (as an "interim" head coach) at Arizona State, taking over a squad that went 10-20 the year before he arrived (coached by Bill Frieder). They went 18-14 in Newman's season. He left to do something for a year, then showed up on the Bucks staff in 1999.

Honestly, I don't think his resume suggests he'd be a good head coach. He's been an assistant on good teams, but he hasn't won as the head guy.

Want the next Joerger? Try Nevada Smith, who's the head coach of the Rockets' D-League team. Winning there, won as a college coach, will probably win when he gets an NBA shot.

What college and what year?

Keystone college 2011 & 2012. Was an assistant on successful teams prior to that.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/riograndeval ... thBio.html

Illuminaire · Post #53 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:17 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:What college and what year?

Step One: Go to google.com

Step Two: Input "Nevada + Smith + Coach"

Step Three: Profit

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #54 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:24 pm

Illuminaire wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:What college and what year?

Step One: Go to google.com

Step Two: Input "Nevada + Smith + Coach"

Step Three: Profit

Or I could just go to a very informative sports website, search for Nevada Smith, fail to find a listing, and then check back with poster...thanks.

doclinkin · Post #55 » by **doclinkin** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:35 pm

We could pull a Danny Ainge and get a college coach with a surprising record. VCU's Shaka Smart always seems to do more with less. Though the college game has pitfalls and hurdles that the big leagues don't (a large part of success is in recruiting, see Calipari et al) when you see guys scrapping with lesser talent it raises eyebrows. That said i respect most championship experience. The pre Zeke CBA used to be a great proving ground for NBA talent. Add George Karl to the list of coaches who came up from the sewer of the Continental association.

doclinkin · Post #56 » by **doclinkin** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:42 pm

Illuminaire wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:What college and what year?

Step One: Go to google.com

Step Two: Input "Nevada + Smith + Coach"

Step Three: Profit

EXCELLENT IDEA!!! Hire Nevada Smith as an assistant to the god Laron Profit.
82-0 regular season and championship !!!11!!!1!!!

pancakes3 · Post #57 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:47 pm

Player-coach.

FAH1223 · Post #58 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:03 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
I obviously don't follow the Grizzlies coaching staff closely enough...

They could once again be a major threat to the Spurs in the first round if the WC standings hold up.

They have a touch schedule down the stretch but the Spurs have figured out how to defend Randolph since that 2011 series.

I think Memphis is gunning for playing the Clippers or OKC in the 1st round. They can beat LAC again and OKC would be an exciting series since Ibaka gets bodied by ZBO and Gasol can play free safety in the paint.

Nivek · Post #59 » by **Nivek** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:29 pm

Randolph isn't the player he used to be. He's not bad, but he's showing some age.

ptptpt · Post #60 » by **ptptpt** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:11 pm

Nivek wrote:Want the next Joerger? Try Nevada Smith, who's the head coach of the Rockets' D-League team. Winning there, won as a college coach, will probably win when he gets an NBA shot.

I read about him in a Grantland article talking about the D-league team Rio Valley Vipers. Morey searched the whole country for a guy who fit his analytics approach and he found Nevada Smith. Runs a really fast paced but efficient offense which shoots a LOT of 3s. I like the guy. He's a winner. That means he's a horrible fit for this franchise. :lol:

Ernie wouldn't even give this dude a second look. Not like EG to stray past old habits and try something different.