Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

See... you are too negative and political. Do you think those workers give a damn about the motives of the company? Do you think they care if the company is doing it as a write off? NOOOOOO. They are just appreciative of the extra money to take their family out to dinner or pay the mortgage.

Um, what you're saying isn't remotely true. The tax bill was massively unpopular, and it's largely because of this:



It's not that people incorrectly think they're getting taxed more - it's that they correctly see that corporations and wealthy Americans aren't taxed enough. They care more about this than their own tax rate!

Hilarious, though, how your anti-globalist, anti 'limousine liberal' takes are couched between your belief that working class Americans are so dumb and so simple and just as indifferent toward facts as you are that they won't notice they're being ripped off by the GOP and Corporate America. They'll just be happy and appreciative that they got anything at all! Quite the populist you are, my dude. You're telling on yourself.

You need to read my post again.... If people have more money every month and they see 'Activity' in the local and national economy due to repatriation, lower taxes, and of course.. infrastructure bill... Do you really think they will get bogged down with CNN running its one millionth story about Russia?

They will have negligible amount of additional income every month that will have no impact on the economy. I see you're carrying water for Daddy, though.

Do you not see how laughable this is? maybe cut a slice out of your donations to the Hilary campaign and the Southern Poverty Law Center while your're at it.
Im sorry the "money does absolutely nothing" for you, but that is the type of smug, globalist, limousine liberal mindset that got Trump elected...
Go watch the 60 minutes interview with Steve Bannon. He saw it and Trump saw it...
Look at all the stories the media has tried to bury Trump with and look how they've either disappeared or have been watered down.

You missed the point. The point is that the money doesn't make a difference for 99.9% of folks receiving tax cuts. It's an arbitrary amount that won't change spending habits. This tax cut will not grow the economy or create jobs.

[cammac]

verbal, I think you are missing it. R's and D's can bloviate all they want when legislation is theoretical, much like what the D's have done with the tax cut... but their problem is that this will only be another issue in which the American people see the world differently than limousine-liberals and the media.
All they will hear from D's and the news is how Trump is stealing from the poor...yada, yada, yada...
But when their paychecks are bigger and better jobs become more available, they will trust their eyes...not their ears.

I saw a segment the other day where they interviewed 5 families from all different backgrounds and had a CPA review their taxes and how they would change. Not surprising, 4 of the 5 saw lower taxes and the 5th saw no change (They lived in NYC, had no kids, and made over 400k... so no surprise)
What did surprise me however was that they asked all 5 before the analysis, "How do you think this bill will affect your taxes?".
4 out of 5 said it would increase...
Think about that and extrapolate as best you can given the small sample size... Do you have any idea how fast Trump and his tax cuts popularity could increase in the next 90-120 days?
You add that with infrastructure bill and you could see a frenzy of activity and positivity surrounding the US economy.

Again, jobs and more money in peoples pockets is what he promised above all else.

How exactly are you imagining these tax cuts growing the economy? Middle class families having an extra $1k a year will do ~nothing. Companies aren't going to start hiring because they have more cash on hand - jobs are created because there's an actual need for jobs. Companies are probably going to put their extra money toward stock buybacks.

There have been a handful of companies claiming to give 'bonuses' of $1-$2k to their employees, but those are PR stunts intended for the Poppers of the world to lap up. If you actually look at the numbers and what those 'bonuses' cost the companies - it's a drop in the bucket relative to the forthcoming windfall.

The only argument I can see in favor of the tax cuts is that the reduced corporate tax rate will incentivize companies to invest here instead of elsewhere. I don't think there was ever actually a dearth of corporate investment here in the US and especially not because of the tax system, so I don't think that's a very persuasive argument.

Personally I'll likely receive a big tax cut, and I'll donate 100% of it to the ACLU or a democratic campaign. The money does absolutely nothing for me - it's an amount relative to my income that would never motivate me to spend more, and that should tell you something about who is receiving the money and how it will impact the economy.

And this is why Trump will be re-elected in 2020... You guys constantly miss it.

hose are PR stunts intended for the Poppers of the world to lap up

See... you are too negative and political. Do you think those workers give a damn about the motives of the company? Do you think they care if the company is doing it as a write off? NOOOOOO. They are just appreciative of the extra money to take their family out to dinner or pay the mortgage.

You need to read my post again.... If people have more money every month and they see 'Activity' in the local and national economy due to repatriation, lower taxes, and of course.. infrastructure bill... Do you really think they will get bogged down with CNN running its one millionth story about Russia?

Personally I'll likely receive a big tax cut, and I'll donate 100% of it to the ACLU or a democratic campaign. The money does absolutely nothing for me -

Do you not see how laughable this is? maybe cut a slice out of your donations to the Hilary campaign and the Southern Poverty Law Center while your're at it.
Im sorry the "money does absolutely nothing" for you, but that is the type of smug, globalist, limousine liberal mindset that got Trump elected...
Go watch the 60 minutes interview with Steve Bannon. He saw it and Trump saw it...
Look at all the stories the media has tried to bury Trump with and look how they've either disappeared or have been watered down.

My friend you and SD20 live in your little pod of ignorance that is still being fueled by Russian Trolls! What ever possible gains the middle class makes will be taken away with regressive policies in social services. The hardest hit will be the Trump supporters in the red states. I look at the ludicrous claims propagated by Fox News directly from the Putin playbook. But frankly I love your comments and your naivety which will make a progressive wave in 2018 and 2020 more satisfying.

[gtn130]

In pcbothwel world, there's a huge infrastructure bill coming down the pipeline. In reality the GOP is working on slashing Medicare and Social Security, two things Daddy Trump promised not to do!

[cammac]

In pcbothwel world, there's a huge infrastructure bill coming down the pipeline. In reality the GOP is working on slashing Medicare and Social Security, two things Daddy Trump promised not to do!

The oxymoron is where is the money coming from for infrastructure?
Usually infrastructure comes in increasing the deficit! It is one of the positive things that can come out of a deficit if it is properly handled like a mortgage on a house. But the new tax bill has increased the deficit to it's max and likely over its max. Infrastructure would have been a much more viable route for the economy that the massive giveaway to the 1% and reducing the corporate tax rate without closing and expanding the loopholes.

[TGW]

Remember how stupid and disastrous the Bush tax cuts were? Well, guess what...this round is going to be even worse than that one.

[pcbothwel]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

[Pointgod]

A fair point that dollars on a paycheck will matter more than a theoretical tax bill discussion. However this doesn't happen in isolation. People know the rich and corporations are getting huge tax cuts. For those with jobs there is at least as mulch concern with health care costs as there is with taxes. If health care increases eat up the savings from lower taxes, will people be happy?

Trump is historically unpopular despite an economy that looks to be in pretty good shape.

He also has an inability to avoid conflict that could be very costly in 2018. If I was running against Comstock, I would be sure to incite Trump to involve himself in the race.

I think PC has some interesting points. I would be willing to imagine a scenario where Russia is about the same in 3 years, even though I think that is highly unlikely.

While the economy might get better for the 1%, I don't think any positive changes really are widespread enough to help Trump. He is tremendously unpopular with essentially full employment.

Infrastructure could be a game changer. Trump might even give it a shot, however it would take true leadership to execute. There isn't an army of lobbyists willing to write the legislation for him, he would have to make compromises with both Dems and Republicans and get involved in details that he hasn't had the patience to understand.

Another big change is he won't be running against Clinton. He won essentially because he was able to convince those who hated both to vote for him.

verbal, I think you are missing it. R's and D's can bloviate all they want when legislation is theoretical, much like what the D's have done with the tax cut... but their problem is that this will only be another issue in which the American people see the world differently than limousine-liberals and the media.
All they will hear from D's and the news is how Trump is stealing from the poor...yada, yada, yada...
But when their paychecks are bigger and better jobs become more available, they will trust their eyes...not their ears.

I saw a segment the other day where they interviewed 5 families from all different backgrounds and had a CPA review their taxes and how they would change. Not surprising, 4 of the 5 saw lower taxes and the 5th saw no change (They lived in NYC, had no kids, and made over 400k... so no surprise)
What did surprise me however was that they asked all 5 before the analysis, "How do you think this bill will affect your taxes?".
4 out of 5 said it would increase...
Think about that and extrapolate as best you can given the small sample size... Do you have any idea how fast Trump and his tax cuts popularity could increase in the next 90-120 days?
You add that with infrastructure bill and you could see a frenzy of activity and positivity surrounding the US economy.

Again, jobs and more money in peoples pockets is what he promised above all else.

This is how Plutocracy and Autocrats work in action. Trump is turning the US into Russia where a few Oligarchs pretty much control the country. The rich get even richer while the bottom 95% of the population are happy with a few scraps and a misdirected sense of pride from a nationalist agenda. You think AT&T cares about a 200 million dollars when they will make billions from the repeal of net neutrality?

Trump is doing permanent damage to the environment, dismantling American institutions, torpedoing America’s standing with allies and the rest of the world, not to mention he’s emboldening white supremacists and he’s enriching himself through the Presidency. Its a sad day if Americans are willing to sell their souls and the good the country represents for cheap.

[cammac]

A fair point that dollars on a paycheck will matter more than a theoretical tax bill discussion. However this doesn't happen in isolation. People know the rich and corporations are getting huge tax cuts. For those with jobs there is at least as mulch concern with health care costs as there is with taxes. If health care increases eat up the savings from lower taxes, will people be happy?

Trump is historically unpopular despite an economy that looks to be in pretty good shape.

He also has an inability to avoid conflict that could be very costly in 2018. If I was running against Comstock, I would be sure to incite Trump to involve himself in the race.

verbal, I think you are missing it. R's and D's can bloviate all they want when legislation is theoretical, much like what the D's have done with the tax cut... but their problem is that this will only be another issue in which the American people see the world differently than limousine-liberals and the media.
All they will hear from D's and the news is how Trump is stealing from the poor...yada, yada, yada...
But when their paychecks are bigger and better jobs become more available, they will trust their eyes...not their ears.

I saw a segment the other day where they interviewed 5 families from all different backgrounds and had a CPA review their taxes and how they would change. Not surprising, 4 of the 5 saw lower taxes and the 5th saw no change (They lived in NYC, had no kids, and made over 400k... so no surprise)
What did surprise me however was that they asked all 5 before the analysis, "How do you think this bill will affect your taxes?".
4 out of 5 said it would increase...
Think about that and extrapolate as best you can given the small sample size... Do you have any idea how fast Trump and his tax cuts popularity could increase in the next 90-120 days?
You add that with infrastructure bill and you could see a frenzy of activity and positivity surrounding the US economy.

Again, jobs and more money in peoples pockets is what he promised above all else.

This is how Plutocracy and Autocrats work in action. Trump is turning the US into Russia where a few Oligarchs pretty much control the country. The rich get even richer while the bottom 95% of the population are happy with a few scraps and a misdirected sense of pride from a nationalist agenda. You think AT&T cares about a 200 million dollars when they will make billions from the repeal of net neutrality?

Trump is doing permanent damage to the environment, dismantling American institutions, torpedoing America’s standing with allies and the rest of the world, not to mention he’s emboldening white supremacists and he’s enriching himself through the Presidency. Its a sad day if Americans are willing to sell their souls and the good the country represents for cheap.

The 200 Million was a canard by ATT the 200 Million was negotiated by the union before the tax bill was signed. Plus they have laid off 1.5% of there workforce and are planning on laying off another 10,000 in the next 3 years. MAGA
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4690197

[Pointgod]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

This type of thinking is why it’s difficult for you to defend your point of view. You view this as a game where you only care about what’s good for your team while people in the “liberal echo chamber” care about what helps the greater good of the country.

I’m curious to know how he’s killing it legislatively.

[Pointgod]

A fair point that dollars on a paycheck will matter more than a theoretical tax bill discussion. However this doesn't happen in isolation. People know the rich and corporations are getting huge tax cuts. For those with jobs there is at least as mulch concern with health care costs as there is with taxes. If health care increases eat up the savings from lower taxes, will people be happy?

Trump is historically unpopular despite an economy that looks to be in pretty good shape.

He also has an inability to avoid conflict that could be very costly in 2018. If I was running against Comstock, I would be sure to incite Trump to involve himself in the race.

This is how Plutocracy and Autocrats work in action. Trump is turning the US into Russia where a few Oligarchs pretty much control the country. The rich get even richer while the bottom 95% of the population are happy with a few scraps and a misdirected sense of pride from a nationalist agenda. You think AT&T cares about a 200 million dollars when they will make billions from the repeal of net neutrality?

Trump is doing permanent damage to the environment, dismantling American institutions, torpedoing America’s standing with allies and the rest of the world, not to mention he’s emboldening white supremacists and he’s enriching himself through the Presidency. Its a sad day if Americans are willing to sell their souls and the good the country represents for cheap.

The 200 Million was a canard by ATT the 200 Million was negotiated by the union before the tax bill was signed. Plus they have laid off 1.5% of there workforce and are planning on laying off another 10,000 in the next 3 years. MAGA
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4690197

Yeah I know it’s all fake hustle. It’s funny that all these announcements these companies are making are either charitable contributions(tax deductible) and one time bonuses. Wells Fargo has announced that they will raise minimum wage to 15 per hour (don’t hold your breath). Other than that there haven’t been any new wage increases, no new hiring announcements or bringing jobs back from overseas. So far all of this has been to appease Dear Leader.

[cammac]

This is how Plutocracy and Autocrats work in action. Trump is turning the US into Russia where a few Oligarchs pretty much control the country. The rich get even richer while the bottom 95% of the population are happy with a few scraps and a misdirected sense of pride from a nationalist agenda. You think AT&T cares about a 200 million dollars when they will make billions from the repeal of net neutrality?

Trump is doing permanent damage to the environment, dismantling American institutions, torpedoing America’s standing with allies and the rest of the world, not to mention he’s emboldening white supremacists and he’s enriching himself through the Presidency. Its a sad day if Americans are willing to sell their souls and the good the country represents for cheap.

The 200 Million was a canard by ATT the 200 Million was negotiated by the union before the tax bill was signed. Plus they have laid off 1.5% of there workforce and are planning on laying off another 10,000 in the next 3 years. MAGA
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=4690197

Yeah I know it’s all fake hustle. It’s funny that all these announcements these companies are making are either charitable contributions(tax deductible) and one time bonuses. Wells Fargo has announced that they will raise minimum wage to 15 per hour (don’t hold your breath). Other than that there haven’t been any new wage increases, no new hiring announcements or bringing jobs back from overseas. So far all of this has been to appease Dear Leader.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/22/news/companies/wells-fargo-layoffs-charlotte/index.html

[verbal8]

Question about 2018:

How does Comstock keep her seat?

It might be a little different than a typical purple district, due to the connection to the federal government. However it seems pretty close to the political center of the country.

[gtn130]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

Already back to your safe space!

I suppose It's not easy having an (((evidence-based))) political conversation when all of the evidence works against you.

[gtn130]

Question about 2018:

How does Comstock keep her seat?

It might be a little different than a typical purple district, due to the connection to the federal government. However it seems pretty close to the political center of the country.

Pretty sure she's gonna get blown out if things go like they did in the VA gubernatorial.

[pcbothwel]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

This type of thinking is why it’s difficult for you to defend your point of view. You view this as a game where you only care about what’s good for your team while people in the “liberal echo chamber” care about what helps the greater good of the country.

I’m curious to know how he’s killing it legislatively.

I make a basketball analogy because... you know... this is A BASKETBALL BOARD.
But you go full liberal with the ... "You're a heartless right wing deplorable and Im the real considerate liberal. #notmypresident #dumptrump"

legislation: The tax bill alone in the 1st year is a win. Out of immigration, SS/Medicare, Welfare, and infrastructure I think he gets 3 out of 4 done in the next two years. Probably 2 in 2018...
That said, what he has done for regulation and the overall administrative state has been great as has his appointments for Court of Appeals

[cammac]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

This type of thinking is why it’s difficult for you to defend your point of view. You view this as a game where you only care about what’s good for your team while people in the “liberal echo chamber” care about what helps the greater good of the country.

I’m curious to know how he’s killing it legislatively.

I make a basketball analogy because... you know... this is A BASKETBALL BOARD.
But you go full liberal with the ... "You're a heartless right wing deplorable and Im the real considerate liberal. #notmypresident #dumptrump"

legislation: The tax bill alone in the 1st year is a win. Out of immigration, SS/Medicare, Welfare, and infrastructure I think he gets 3 out of 4 done in the next two years. Probably 2 in 2018...
That said, what he has done for regulation and the overall administrative state has been great as has his appointments for Court of Appeals

How can this abomination be a win without discussion, expert witnesses and proper procedures? The tax bill was pushed through without the vast majority of Republican Congressmen or Senators reading it? Most Republican legislators couldn't even give the new tax brackets!!!!!

[stilldropin20]

The Trump doctrine of Nationalism is just another name for Isolationism which is viable if a country that adopts it is willing to pay the price. Can the USA survive as a Isolationist country the answer is yes but it also has a staggering cost. Is the populous willing to pay higher prices for goods and services at the Walmart? Given United States’s population of 324 million people, its total $1.454 trillion in 2016 exports translates to roughly $4,500 for every resident of the USA.

Spoiler:

These are the USA's major exports:
Machinery including computers: US$190.5 billion (13.1% of total exports)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $167.2 billion (11.5%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $134.6 billion (9.3%)
Vehicles : $124.3 billion (8.5%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $94.7 billion (6.5%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $82.0 billion (5.6%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $58.4 billion (4.0%)
Gems, precious metals: $57.8 billion (4.0%)
Pharmaceuticals: $47.1 billion (3.2%)
Organic chemicals: $33.9 billion (2.3%)
The other non industrial export is farm related

Spoiler:

U.S. Agricultural Trade in 2016: Major Commodities and Trends. Trade is an important component of the U.S. agricultural sector. Exports of agricultural goods have averaged nearly $140 billion since 2010, while imports have been close to $100 billion.
Many of these sectors could dry up and USA internal demand can't replace these jobs!
The USA also benefits in a surplus from foreign visitors and helping the educational system by higher tuition's from foreign students.
While the USA is self sufficient in many areas it is also dependent in trade in other areas!
Energy and raw materials are prime examples.
Many consumer products could be made in the USA in theory the textile industry could come back but would the American consumer be willing to more than double for a tee shirt?
Lets say Trump gets his dream and every illegal immigrant is shown the door and the laws are stiffened in allowing guess workers into the USA. Farm production costs would increase dramatically and the cost in service industries would also increase.

Isolationism is a 2 edged sword the penalties that a country raises will be met with similar access problems to other countries. All you have to do is look at economies of Russia, Iran and North Korea to analyze becoming a pariah in the world.

here's the thing. Let's keep your numbers for a second. That $4500.00? 90-95% of that would go to the corporations that own those corporations as well as the corporation that service those corporation anyway. and only $250-400 would make it to the middle class workers of those corporations.

So what you are really talking about is taking $1.5 trillion(90-95% of it) being removed from the top 1%. Per your posts, You kinda detest the top 1%, bruh. Even though you are likely part of the 1%. But i get it. You actually detest the top .1-.2%. As do I.

So what you are saying is that the top .1-.2% will then lay off american workers? maybe. maybe not. We've got a strong jobs market and economy right now. I'm willing to roll those dice.

You are also assuming full blown isolationism. Trump clearly doesn't want that. he just wants better trade deals where our middle class can grow again. and yes things will get more expensive. perhaps. I'm willing to pay more at the cash at the register as a "hidden tax" so long as income taxes keep dropping. I've long wanted income taxes to go away anyway and sales taxes to replace them.

I'm willing to concede that the US gross national product would potentially suffer. I dont see it though. because we consume the most goods of nearly every nation. and often by large margin. So if we are forced to consume more american goods to due import tariffs(even if hidden) we might see production(and therefore wages) rise. even sharply.

So what you are really talking about is sharp inflation. Which is fine for people that own well managed 401K's and Land(housing).

So the issue will be making sure wages rise with inflation. and making sure strict immigration keeps the flow of immigrant workers low so as to put out own lower class to work. Our lower class MUST become middle class. they must be paid livable wages. and given opportunity to buy their own homes and invest in 401K during this (theoretical) period of inflation.

[stilldropin20]

Yeah... Im going to stick to the basketball threads, because this liberal eco chamber is useless. Trump is crushing it right now with regulation, legislation, and court appointees...
D's are like the team down by 15 with 3 minutes left that start fouling hard out of frustration... you're best to just be ignored. You'll keep talking about how Trump and Co are racist, sexist, delusional, dumb, etc...

bro,

this is their plan. All they want to do is to frustrate you. Dont let them get to you. I understand that they wont negotiate. That there is about 3-4 posters on here simply here to spread lies and innuendo. Spam. hey, take their social cues from Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi for God sake. Even Worse CNN.

So Stick around! teach them something! They simply dont know what they dont know. Remember the goal is better government that works better for the people. All the people. Including them. We will have to drag them along on this just like we have to drag them along on everything. They just dont get it. And I understand how frustrating it is that they actually think that they are the "enlightened ones." Also, you should understand that the lower and middle class has been manipulated by the upper class for thousands of years. the narrative they live by? Their code? the way they think? It is nothing more than shrewd social programming. This will take a generation or 2 to even begin to shine a real light on most socio-economic falsehoods they see as "facts."

[Wizardspride]

Question about 2018:

How does Comstock keep her seat?

It might be a little different than a typical purple district, due to the connection to the federal government. However it seems pretty close to the political center of the country.

It's possible she keeps her seat but I think she might fall victim to "the Trump effect".

Basically, he's making the Republican brand toxic to anyone who isn't a hard core GOPer.

[cammac]

The Trump doctrine of Nationalism is just another name for Isolationism which is viable if a country that adopts it is willing to pay the price. Can the USA survive as a Isolationist country the answer is yes but it also has a staggering cost. Is the populous willing to pay higher prices for goods and services at the Walmart? Given United States’s population of 324 million people, its total $1.454 trillion in 2016 exports translates to roughly $4,500 for every resident of the USA.

Spoiler:

These are the USA's major exports:
Machinery including computers: US$190.5 billion (13.1% of total exports)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $167.2 billion (11.5%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $134.6 billion (9.3%)
Vehicles : $124.3 billion (8.5%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $94.7 billion (6.5%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $82.0 billion (5.6%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $58.4 billion (4.0%)
Gems, precious metals: $57.8 billion (4.0%)
Pharmaceuticals: $47.1 billion (3.2%)
Organic chemicals: $33.9 billion (2.3%)
The other non industrial export is farm related

Spoiler:

U.S. Agricultural Trade in 2016: Major Commodities and Trends. Trade is an important component of the U.S. agricultural sector. Exports of agricultural goods have averaged nearly $140 billion since 2010, while imports have been close to $100 billion.
Many of these sectors could dry up and USA internal demand can't replace these jobs!
The USA also benefits in a surplus from foreign visitors and helping the educational system by higher tuition's from foreign students.
While the USA is self sufficient in many areas it is also dependent in trade in other areas!
Energy and raw materials are prime examples.
Many consumer products could be made in the USA in theory the textile industry could come back but would the American consumer be willing to more than double for a tee shirt?
Lets say Trump gets his dream and every illegal immigrant is shown the door and the laws are stiffened in allowing guess workers into the USA. Farm production costs would increase dramatically and the cost in service industries would also increase.

Isolationism is a 2 edged sword the penalties that a country raises will be met with similar access problems to other countries. All you have to do is look at economies of Russia, Iran and North Korea to analyze becoming a pariah in the world.

here's the thing. Let's keep your numbers for a second. That $4500.00? 90-95% of that would go to the corporations that own those corporations as well as the corporation that service those corporation anyway. and only $250-400 would make it to the middle class workers of those corporations.

So what you are really talking about is taking $1.5 trillion(90-95% of it) being removed from the top 1%. Per your posts, You kinda detest the top 1%, bruh. Even though you are likely part of the 1%. But i get it. You actually detest the top .1-.2%. As do I.

So what you are saying is that the top .1-.2% will then lay off american workers? maybe. maybe not. We've got a strong jobs market and economy right now. I'm willing to roll those dice.

You are also assuming full blown isolationism. Trump clearly doesn't want that. he just wants better trade deals where our middle class can grow again. and yes things will get more expensive. perhaps. I'm willing to pay more at the cash at the register as a "hidden tax" so long as income taxes keep dropping. I've long wanted income taxes to go away anyway and sales taxes to replace them.

I'm willing to concede that the US gross national product would potentially suffer. I dont see it though. because we consume the most goods of nearly every nation. and often by large margin. So if we are forced to consume more american goods to due import tariffs(even if hidden) we might see production(and therefore wages) rise. even sharply.

So what you are really talking about is sharp inflation. Which is fine for people that own well managed 401K's and Land(housing).

So the issue will be making sure wages rise with inflation. and making sure strict immigration keeps the flow of immigrant workers low so as to put out own lower class to work. Our lower class MUST become middle class. they must be paid livable wages. and given opportunity to buy their own homes and invest in 401K during this (theoretical) period of inflation.

You are too young to have lived in a period of high inflation I can remember paying 18% on a mortgage which hurt a vast majority of middle class people. While I'm a businessman I'm still a product of the 60's and early 70's being a hippy at heart. I have been blessed and while I do try to maximize the amount of money I make most of mine does trickle down. My new project is global and hope to benefit people in the Philippines, Vietnam, South Africa, USA & Canada. I'm a globalist I feel bring higher standards of living to everyone benefits society in general. You are deluding yourself if you believe that Americans are going to take jobs in the fields and at dairy farms where they will get paid subsistence wages at best and work in horrid conditions.Especially with a federal government which is stripping worker safety and trying to roll back chemical safety protocols. Not only that but in many cases the care of the elderly is assigned to guest workers and those are jobs Americans will not take.

Being in a good financial position also brings responsibility to be socially aware. My wife and I have simple needs we do live in a nice house, have good cars ( bought used ) and travel. We spend less than 10% of our tax free income and give that much to a few selected charities ( which I do not deduct from income ) and the rest is reinvested in businesses.

Canada has guest workers and seasonal agricultural workers they are mostly from the Caribbean, Central America and Philippines. They must be given at least the minimum wage which in Ontario is $14 a hour and in 2019 will be $15. They must be supplied with airline ticket to and from the country of origin and get the same labor protection of naturalized Canadians.

Do I think I should pay higher taxes yes but try to make the unneeded income benefit others. Our goals in life have been met our children have been well educated, we are financially secure, we can travel and we have the privilege benefiting others.