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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#41 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:15 pm

keynote wrote:Color me unenthused.

I guess EG's new strategy is to collect as many unlikeable players as possible. Wall is allegedly unpopular amongst his peers. Rivers seems to carry that as well. Morris isn't exactly easy to root for. And Dwight Howard has a rep for being as welcome as a loud fart in a church service.

Unenthused is fair. The bottom line is that EG didn't really have much to work with this offseason give the cap constraints and the chemistry issues with Gortat. The fact that he turned Gortat and Mike Scott into Howard, Green and Rivers, all for about the same price, is pretty good talentwise.

Obviously, the catch is the chemistry in the locker room. This could end up badly. But then again, doing something boring like signing Alex Len wasn't going to move the needle either. This is a 1-year plan where EG decided to gamble on some difficult locker room personalities with talent. It'll either work or it won't. Either way, come 2019, we're right where we started.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#42 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:16 pm

nate33 wrote:
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Who's left that's worth the MLE?


I wouldn't mind Lucas Noguiera if we could get rid of Jason Smith or IM. But they apparently want a wing. There is nothing out there worth the MLE in terms of wings that I've seen that hasn't been signed yet.

Nate, what is the salary cap ramification if any, if we don't use the tax MLE?

We are over the luxtax by about $6-7M. We are facing a repeater tax. Every dollar that Ted spends (using the MLE or vet minimum or any other exception) will cost Ted an additional $2.75 in taxes. So spending $4M on a guy will cost Ted $15M out of pocket.

We're not going to sign anyone else except vet minimum guys. We have 13 guys already guaranteed money. That's not counting Thomas Bryant, Devin Robinson or Issuf Sanon. We'll probably carry 14, so only one of those guys at most makes it.


They will probably get rid of Meeks. Sanon is not coming over here this year so subtract him. They should take a flyer on Bryant, a 20-year old big man with potential. I guess they can't keep Robinson (or can they?) on that two-way deal anymore at slot No. 16 or 17? I assume they'll sign 1 or 2 players from the SL for the two-way spot.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#43 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:19 pm

Wow. The tax MLE? That's gonna hurt Ted's wallet. It's going to cost Ted damn near $20M If Dwight is being paid nearly his full salary by Brooklyn, EG should have convinced him to sign for the vet minimum.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#44 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:21 pm

nate33 wrote:
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Who's left that's worth the MLE?


I wouldn't mind Lucas Noguiera if we could get rid of Jason Smith or IM. But they apparently want a wing. There is nothing out there worth the MLE in terms of wings that I've seen that hasn't been signed yet.

Nate, what is the salary cap ramification if any, if we don't use the tax MLE?

We are over the luxtax by about $6-7M. We are facing a repeater tax. Every dollar that Ted spends (using the MLE or vet minimum or any other exception) will cost Ted an additional $2.75 in taxes. So spending $4M on a guy will cost Ted $15M out of pocket.

We're not going to sign anyone else except vet minimum guys. We have 13 guys already guaranteed money. That's not counting Thomas Bryant, Devin Robinson or Issuf Sanon. We'll probably carry 14, so only one of those guys at most makes it.


Given our new set of tools and positional flexibility, I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign Luray Ronaldo Moto a Moble (aka LRMAM) as a defensive stopper/ultra small ball situational five.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#45 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:23 pm

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I wouldn't mind Lucas Noguiera if we could get rid of Jason Smith or IM. But they apparently want a wing. There is nothing out there worth the MLE in terms of wings that I've seen that hasn't been signed yet.

Nate, what is the salary cap ramification if any, if we don't use the tax MLE?

We are over the luxtax by about $6-7M. We are facing a repeater tax. Every dollar that Ted spends (using the MLE or vet minimum or any other exception) will cost Ted an additional $2.75 in taxes. So spending $4M on a guy will cost Ted $15M out of pocket.

We're not going to sign anyone else except vet minimum guys. We have 13 guys already guaranteed money. That's not counting Thomas Bryant, Devin Robinson or Issuf Sanon. We'll probably carry 14, so only one of those guys at most makes it.


Given our new set of tools and positional flexibility, I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign Luray Ronaldo Moto a Moble (aka LRMAM) as a defensive stopper/ultra small ball situational five.

Why would he sign here and not Houston?
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#46 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:25 pm

nate33 wrote:Wow. The tax MLE? That's gonna hurt Ted's wallet. It's going to cost Ted damn near $20M If Dwight is being paid nearly his full salary by Brooklyn, EG should have convinced him to sign for the vet minimum.


Is it the minimum or the MLE? Two different reports out there.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#47 » by keynote » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:28 pm

keynote wrote:Oops, that's right.

I'd like to see:

Wall/Sato/5th guard
Beal/Rivers/Sato/5th guard
Oubre/Porter/Sato/Rook
Porter/Morris/Green/
Howard/Morris/Mahinmi/Smith

But we're more likely to see:

Wall/3rd guard/Sato
Beal/Rivers/Sato/
Porter/Oubre/Rivers/Rook
Morris/Green/Porter
Howard/Mahinmi/Morris/Smith


EDIT: I forgot about Jodie Meeks.

Wall/Sato/Rivers
Beal/Rivers/Sato/Meeks
Oubre/Porter/Rivers/Rook
Porter/Morris/Green
Howard/Morris/Mahinmi/Smith

That's a *lot* of guys on 1-year deals, and a lot of guys with bad locker room reps. But, that's also a deep squad with a number of players who don't stink.
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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#48 » by NatP4 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:29 pm

nate33 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I suppose it could work if Brooks would commit to four out and one in.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers
Oubre/Green/Brown
Otto/Kieff
Dwight/Bryant/Mahinmi

I just don't know how we can reasonably expect the Wizard's locker room to keep Howard in check.

That's actually a great point.

I think one of the reasons that Brooks was hesitant to play Otto at the 4 was due to the rebounding. Howard is a monster on the defensive glass and can get most of the rebounds by himself. He has a 33% DRB% for goodness sake.


That would be truly idiotic, with Morris as the other option lol
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Post#49 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:30 pm

I am not surprised. When I first heard he was opting out the Wizards just seemed too sure of a dea--they moved Marcin Gortat that day.



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Re: Weiss: Howard to sign a 1 year deal for the tax MLE with the Wizards 

Post#50 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:30 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
nate33 wrote:Wow. The tax MLE? That's gonna hurt Ted's wallet. It's going to cost Ted damn near $20M If Dwight is being paid nearly his full salary by Brooklyn, EG should have convinced him to sign for the vet minimum.


Is it the minimum or the MLE? Two different reports out there.

I'm mostly seeing MLE, but I guess we'll have to wait for confirmation.

Frankly, I'm shocked that Ted is going to shell out the money for an MLE contract. That's no chump change.
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Post#51 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:31 pm

NatP4 wrote:
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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I suppose it could work if Brooks would commit to four out and one in.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers
Oubre/Green/Brown
Otto/Kieff
Dwight/Bryant/Mahinmi

I just don't know how we can reasonably expect the Wizard's locker room to keep Howard in check.

That's actually a great point.

I think one of the reasons that Brooks was hesitant to play Otto at the 4 was due to the rebounding. Howard is a monster on the defensive glass and can get most of the rebounds by himself. He has a 33% DRB% for goodness sake.


That would be truly idiotic, with Morris as the other option lol

Morris + Porter at the forward spot gets you more rebounds than Porter + Oubre.
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Post#52 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:31 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Welp...all in I guess.

Welcome to D.C Dwight.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Even if cancer, his cancerous numbers blow Gortat's numbers out of the water with only about 5 minutes more per game. Not saying it was all on him, but this seems like at the very least a solid uptick.
This is a big deal is going to be better than most people think.

Dwight Howard is a number 1 overall and he is a physical Talent they can actually run with John Wall. It seems very appropriate that his old teammate leaves and he comes in as well.

Howard can be the best center the Wizards have had since Moses Malone.

Would not surprise me at all if Dwight Howard has a three point shot.

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Post#53 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:33 pm

ozthegap wrote:Well except for drafting better this is realistically the best we could have hoped for. We didn't have much wiggle room or a very attractive situation for free agents
truwizfan4evr wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I suppose it could work if Brooks would commit to four out and one in.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers
Oubre/Brown
Otto/Kieff
Dwight/Bryant/Mahinmi

I just don't know how we can reasonably expect the Wizard's locker room to keep Howard in check.

Maybe I've been living under a rock what's this bad reputation he has in the locker room everyone claims?
If the Wizards can actually move Markieff Morris that will really be impressive.

They really do need to start Kelly at small forward and Otto at power forward and now they have a big C they can do that.

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Post#54 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:34 pm

queridiculo wrote:Well, this could go really well, or really, really bad.

Kudos to Leonsis, the money he'll save from the Trotz deal is going to come in handy here.

Wall earned himself quite the reputation as an ****, and if the rumors of **** Gortat are true I can't wait to see how things turn out between the two
Well from the top down the team is full of **** now. And the coach sucks too

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Post#55 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:34 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Kieff at the 4 can't happen. He needs to be traded
With the quickness

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Post#56 » by NatP4 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:35 pm

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Oubre Brown
Porter Green
Dwight Mahinmi

Launch Morris to the moon
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Post#57 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:37 pm

keynote wrote:Color me unenthused.

I guess EG's new strategy is to collect as many unlikeable players as possible. Wall is allegedly unpopular amongst his peers. Rivers seems to carry that as well. Morris isn't exactly easy to root for. And Dwight Howard has a rep for being as welcome as a loud fart in a church service.
I'm loving this.

Now when they don't win they will really be bickering and hating on each other.

They need to get Tomas S off this team he's too good of a dude. Same with Otto Porter. Wizards FO needs to trade those two guys for some douchebag.
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Post#58 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:48 pm

Surprisingly, even at age 32 Dwight hasn't declined physically all that much (if at all)... His problems are all mental/attitude related. If he only focused on defense, rim protection, rebounding and being a PnR big man, he'd easily by a top3 center in the league. Instead, he wants to post-up and shoot hooks over people, despite being terrible at it.
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Post#59 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:49 pm

Bontemps seems to be the only one reporting it's the minimum. He's been wrong before so I'm guessing the other reports are right. That Ted is willing to spend the ta MLE on Dwight, who is already getting paid from the Nets?
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Post#60 » by keynote » Tue Jul 3, 2018 11:52 pm

80sballboy wrote:Bontemps seems to be the only one reporting it's the minimum. He's been wrong before so I'm guessing the other reports are right. That Ted is willing to spend the ta MLE on Dwight, who is already getting paid from the Nets?


I suspect it's the Tax MLE. If that's the case, I also suspect that EG felt he "had" to outbid the Lakers (to the extent they were interested) in order to close the deal.
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