2020 2nd Round Draft Pick(s)

payitforward · Post #41 » by **payitforward** » Tue Feb 4, 2020 10:48 pm

youngWizzy wrote:One of the biggest risers of late is Devin Vassell (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/devin-vassell-1.html). Really good frame and is just really really long with great athleticism. The numbers do look good especially the percentages (51%, 44%, 75%). Definitely wouldn't mind him in the second round.

Another killer find -- you guys are really looking good this year!!

On the numbers, this kid is a lottery pick.

Post #42 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Feb 4, 2020 10:56 pm

Someone might have compared Vassell to Danny Green on the first page - not sure who.

youngWizzy · Post #43 » by **youngWizzy** » Tue Feb 4, 2020 11:26 pm

Ruzious wrote:Someone might have compared Vassell to Danny Green on the first page - not sure who.

Reminds me more of Mikal Bridges honestly. Their numbers are "close"

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #44 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Feb 4, 2020 11:52 pm

Just saw Vassell in person in Cville. Was sitting two rows from the court. Vassell does look legit. Good frame, solid skills... scored pretty well against an inspired and outright scary UVA defense.

Could have a little Robert Covington in him.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #45 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Wed Feb 5, 2020 12:17 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Just saw Vassell in person in Cville. Was sitting two rows from the court. Vassell does look legit. Good frame, solid skills... scored pretty well against an inspired and outright scary UVA defense.

Could have a little Robert Covington in him.

The only problem is if you're thinking 2nd round, seems others have caught on... Draft Room shows him going #16.

Post #46 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:05 pm

Honestly, I've never heard of this guy before https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jalen-harris-2.html - Jalen Harris, but his stats are very compelling - and he's a 6'5 195 lb combo guard. He sat out last season as a transfer. Interestingly (ok - maybe not), there's another Jalen Harris - on Arkansas - who also sat out a year transferring and is also a Junior.

Nevada Jalen seems to be a bit of a gunner, but he really fills up the box score. I can't even find a scouting report on him.

payitforward · Post #47 » by **payitforward** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:34 pm

doclinkin wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:...Xavier Tillman...

...I've been on Xavier Tillman since last year, and now he has added playmaking and a three point shot to his skills list. ...

This is a really interesting player to think about. We've got 2000 minutes of college ball to look at, & he's put up good numbers all the way along. Like doc, I am impressed by his assist numbers this year.

Currently, NBA Draftroom has him at #49 in R2; I think that would make him a high-value pick -- IOW, I wouldn't take him as high as #37 (where the Bulls pick might put us...), but, I'd be tempted to buy another pick to land him.

payitforward · Post #48 » by **payitforward** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:54 pm

Here's a guy I like a lot as a late R2 or undrafted long shot -- Neemias Queta.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/neemias-queta-1.html

7' plus, 7'4"+ wingspan. Has a nice shooting touch, blocks shots, etc. He was better as a Freshman; so far he's fallen off some this year. Long term an outstanding prospect -- a guy I'd like to have as a 2-way player.

doclinkin · Post #49 » by **doclinkin** » Sat Feb 8, 2020 5:51 pm

payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:...Xavier Tillman...

...I've been on Xavier Tillman since last year, and now he has added playmaking and a three point shot to his skills list. ...

This is a really interesting player to think about. We've got 2000 minutes of college ball to look at, & he's put up good numbers all the way along. Like doc, I am impressed by his assist numbers this year.

Currently, NBA Draftroom has him at #49 in R2; I think that would make him a high-value pick -- IOW, I wouldn't take him as high as #37 (where the Bulls pick might put us...), but, I'd be tempted to buy another pick to land him.

Tom Izzo trains good pros. Skill sets developed as a Spartan tend to translate at the next level. Tillman this year has been asked to be a playmaker out of the high pick and roll, setting the pick then taking the pass whether he rolls or pops to the three point line. From that position he either takes the open jumper, or rolls and when the defense collapses he commonly finds a teammate for an open corner three. This is why his three point game and assist game have been developing.

As usual his defense is stellar, he plays smart positional defense. Defense traditionally is one of the skills that takes a while to translate at the next level. MSU players seem to get it quicker than other rookies, in part because Izzo recruits second tier talents who stay longer in his program and develop fundamental skills before are earning a paycheck at the next level. Doesn't matter where you draft them, Izzo's best players will tend to give you good value for the pick.

payitforward · Post #50 » by **payitforward** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 2:49 pm

Makes perfect sense, doc -- & when I say that "I wouldn't take him as high as #37," I mean only that we should be able to get him & another asset by using that pick wisely.

Of course, a lot would depend on where you had him ranked, how many guys are on the same tier w/ him. I haven't gotten that far into it yet myself.

How would you compare Tillman to Draymond, doc? The latter being the most obvious example of a r2 uber-bargain out of Michigan State.

doclinkin · Post #51 » by **doclinkin** » Sun Feb 9, 2020 11:13 pm

payitforward wrote:Makes perfect sense, doc -- & when I say that "I wouldn't take him as high as #37," I mean only that we should be able to get him & another asset by using that pick wisely.

Of course, a lot would depend on where you had him ranked, how many guys are on the same tier w/ him. I haven't gotten that far into it yet myself.

How would you compare Tillman to Draymond, doc? The latter being the most obvious example of a r2 uber-bargain out of Michigan State.

Izzo calls him a "Draymond-ish" defender.

The Stepien says his numbers are eerily similar to Al Horford/PJ Tucker.

I've been on him from last year on his ability to asphyxiate pick and rolls and to play bigger than his body underneath. Just a smart savvy mature low ego tough minded player.

payitforward · Post #52 » by **payitforward** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:06 am

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:Makes perfect sense, doc -- & when I say that "I wouldn't take him as high as #37," I mean only that we should be able to get him & another asset by using that pick wisely.

Of course, a lot would depend on where you had him ranked, how many guys are on the same tier w/ him. I haven't gotten that far into it yet myself.

How would you compare Tillman to Draymond, doc? The latter being the most obvious example of a r2 uber-bargain out of Michigan State.

Izzo calls him a "Draymond-ish" defender.

The Stepien says his numbers are eerily similar to Al Horford/PJ Tucker.

I've been on him from last year on his ability to asphyxiate pick and rolls and to play bigger than his body underneath. Just a smart savvy mature low ego tough minded player.

How did I not see that article? Anyone the Stepien is high on gets my immediate interest. Not only that, but Ben Rubin is just about my favorite analyst on the site -- you know who he had the 2d best prospect in the 2019 draft?

Sure you do! Otherwise, why would I bring it up! (i.e..... it was Brandon Clarke, of course)

Let's get this guy!!

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #53 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:14 pm

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Post #54 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm

payitforward wrote:Here's a guy I like a lot as a late R2 or undrafted long shot -- Neemias Queta.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/neemias-queta-1.html

7' plus, 7'4"+ wingspan. Has a nice shooting touch, blocks shots, etc. He was better as a Freshman; so far he's fallen off some this year. Long term an outstanding prospect -- a guy I'd like to have as a 2-way player.

Yup, does sound like an intriguing long-term prospect. His scoring stats have improved - and his FT% has gone way up, so there's probably hope for his jump shot, and the shot-blocking ability is there. Rebounding fell off - maybe there's a reason?

Post #55 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:28 pm

payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:...Xavier Tillman...

...I've been on Xavier Tillman since last year, and now he has added playmaking and a three point shot to his skills list. ...

This is a really interesting player to think about. We've got 2000 minutes of college ball to look at, & he's put up good numbers all the way along. Like doc, I am impressed by his assist numbers this year.

Currently, NBA Draftroom has him at #49 in R2; I think that would make him a high-value pick -- IOW, I wouldn't take him as high as #37 (where the Bulls pick might put us...), but, I'd be tempted to buy another pick to land him.

He's a moose. I remember when he was a freshman listed at 260 lbs - playing behind a great front court with 2 lotto picks and another player (Nick Ward) who was their top interior scorer. He really fills up the box score - even when he doesn't score much. Those Draymond comps might turn out right. And he's not afraid to set crushing screens.

gambitx777 · Post #56 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:57 pm

I think the wiz has historically loved draft and stashes . And I wouldn't be shocked if we took a draft and stash to replace Sanon. We are short on team spots as is.
Abdoulaye N'Doye a little old 21 bit meh
sergi martinez- 20
Arturs Zagars - 19, green as grass and not ready at all but the fix is in cuz he's from Latvia?

I mean I think this draft is back loaded with some interesting college hiden gems I don't see many euro players not on a college team getting drafted.

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payitforward · Post #57 » by **payitforward** » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:06 am

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Here's a guy I like a lot as a late R2 or undrafted long shot -- Neemias Queta.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/neemias-queta-1.html

7' plus, 7'4"+ wingspan. Has a nice shooting touch, blocks shots, etc. He was better as a Freshman; so far he's fallen off some this year. Long term an outstanding prospect -- a guy I'd like to have as a 2-way player.

Yup, does sound like an intriguing long-term prospect. His scoring stats have improved - and his FT% has gone way up, so there's probably hope for his jump shot, and the shot-blocking ability is there. Rebounding fell off - maybe there's a reason?

Actually... what I like best about Queta is that he's Portuguese.

One of my favorite country's to visit, & have friends there as well. Both Lisbon & Porto are great cities, & the countryside is quite beautiful. Tons of Roman stuff around, the ruins of a Celtic city, etc. etc. Highly recommended.

Post #58 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:03 am

One player who's gone really under the radar is Yoeli Childs from BYU. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/yoeli-childs-1.html Like a poor man's Brandon Clarke - though he doesn't appear to be as mobile and athletic as Clarke, but he might be better offensively with a newly developed 3 point shot and has a bit more meat on his bones - at 225 lbs. Just turned 22, so he's older - like Clarke was. The level of competition he's faced hasn't been great.

youngWizzy · Post #59 » by **youngWizzy** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:46 pm

Im growing on Desmond Bane https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html) from TCU. Don't mind at all that he is a senior. He's shown improvement every year and is shooting the ball really well from three. Think he fits the mold of a quality two way shooting guard if we need depth behind Beal. He's one of only a few people shooting over 40% from three with 1.5 steals per game in the country.

doclinkin · Post #60 » by **doclinkin** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:51 am

I bet Xavier Tillman stays for his senior year unless he has a killer tourney and there is solid interest in him as a first rounder. He will take the final year to smooth out his three ball, lead the team, and get his degree which seems to be a drive of his. If that's the case whoever gets him will land a solid pro, quickly productive. Attitude-wise he's a perfect fit for the basketball 'family' that Tommy is trying to build.