Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

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[Kanyewest]

2 cases reported in DC. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-has-first-presumptive-coronavirus-case/2234068/

[dobrojim]

On my facebook feed, Warren supporters are pretty bitter, they say they don't want to support either Biden or Bernie.

No time to sulk like a child.

The sole goal should be to remove Trump from office.

Once that's done, advocate like hell for your beliefs.

And this is coming from a Warren supporter.

Vote blue, no matter who! (from a fellow Warren supporter)

I'm in agreement with many of Bernie's philosophical takes on the current
situation in the country. But I do not think he has much of a chance, should
he become president, of making those things happen. And I also believe
(at the risk of repeating myself) his chances of being elected are not as
good as Biden. Biden can get middle of the road people to support him,
at least as shown by Super Tuesday results. We'll see what happens this coming
Tuesday particularly in Michigan. As stated above, the most important thing
is getting rid of the fascist/racist in Chief.

[gtn130]

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2016 all over again

[Pointgod]

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2016 all over again

Then maybe Bernie supporters shouldn’t amplify right wing and Russian propaganda like they did in 2016. Instead call it out for the lies and hypocrisy that it is and challenge Biden on policies and issues. If Biden is the nominee you should phone bank, donate, volunteer how ever you can like you would with Bernie. Same goes for Biden supporters of Bernie is the nominee.

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These guys are **** scumbags.

[Jamaaliver]

Donald Trump's Old Tweet About Obama's Chiefs Of Staff Has Not Aged Well

President Donald Trump on Friday named Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) as his fourth White House chief of staff in just over three years in office.

And, of course, people spotted an old post from Trump in which he criticized his predecessor Barack Obama’s seeming revolving door when it came to the role.

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Trump has repeatedly been mocked over old tweets that have come back to bite him, and this time around was no different...

Yahoo

[gtn130]

Then maybe Bernie supporters shouldn’t amplify right wing and Russian propaganda like they did in 2016. Instead call it out for the lies and hypocrisy that it is and challenge Biden on policies and issues. If Biden is the nominee you should phone bank, donate, volunteer how ever you can like you would with Bernie. Same goes for Biden supporters of Bernie is the nominee.

I literally did all that for Hillary. Seeing Democrats circle the wagons for Biden to dive headfirst into an exact replay of 2016 is absolute madness, and it is an indicator of how fundamentally bad the Democrat leaders are at their jobs.

Like, I think I'm totally within my rights here to be running out of patience with these people. It's sheer incompetence that in 2020 the standard bearer for the entire party is a mush-brained old man with a horrendous voting record that doesn't align with progressives even slightly.

I'm gonna vote for Biden, but the idea that I should blindly follow the wisdom of the Democrats is just laughable at this point. These people don't know what the **** they're doing, and I don't feel remotely comfortable leaving the fate of the country in the hands of these morons.

[Pointgod]

Then maybe Bernie supporters shouldn’t amplify right wing and Russian propaganda like they did in 2016. Instead call it out for the lies and hypocrisy that it is and challenge Biden on policies and issues. If Biden is the nominee you should phone bank, donate, volunteer how ever you can like you would with Bernie. Same goes for Biden supporters of Bernie is the nominee.

I literally did all that for Hillary. Seeing Democrats circle the wagons for Biden to dive headfirst into an exact replay of 2016 is absolute madness, and it is an indicator of how fundamentally bad the Democrat leaders are at their jobs.

Like, I think I'm totally within my rights here to be running out of patience with these people. It's sheer incompetence that in 2020 the standard bearer for the entire party is a mush-brained old man with a horrendous voting record that doesn't align with progressives even slightly.

I'm gonna vote for Biden, but the idea that I should blindly follow the wisdom of the Democrats is just laughable at this point. These people don't know what the **** they're doing, and I don't feel remotely comfortable leaving the fate of the country in the hands of these morons.

I think we need to kill the narrative that Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016. Sanders has had 4 years to make his case and expand his base of voters. He lost 2016 fair and square and now 4 years later he’s thus far failed to turnout new voters and young voters. This is not the DNC or Leaders doing anything this is what Democratic voters are prioritizing.

Joe Biden was dead in the water before South Carolina. There was no funding, no DNC fluffing nothing. He won South Carolina, the other candidates didn’t come close and he started to get endorsements. He pretty much showed he was viable through that one primary. Sanders didn’t even make an attempt to get Clyburn’s endorsement. He’s had 4 years to build coalitions with non Bernie Democrats and make a case to more moderate members of his party but he chose not to. Then it’s no surprise when the moderates drop out that voters and party members go to the person that they have some form of relationship with and who doesn’t insult their party.

The last thing I’ll say is that I know that you’ll vote for for the greater good, but even in your words I already see a repeat of 2016. I’m already seeing Bernie supporters post crap like Joe Biden is senile and has dementia. Now I’m sure you can see how calling him a mush brain feeds into this narrative. Joe Biden is inarticulate and his policies are not in line with Bernie’s but if he’s running on a more Progressive policy platform than even Obama. Critique him on policies not some rumours and hit pieces. I can already see the same hit pieces from the left that Hillary faces, super predators, Clinton Foundation and all the other lies. Can’t let the same happen with Bernie or Biden.

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Then maybe Bernie supporters shouldn’t amplify right wing and Russian propaganda like they did in 2016. Instead call it out for the lies and hypocrisy that it is and challenge Biden on policies and issues. If Biden is the nominee you should phone bank, donate, volunteer how ever you can like you would with Bernie. Same goes for Biden supporters of Bernie is the nominee.

I literally did all that for Hillary. Seeing Democrats circle the wagons for Biden to dive headfirst into an exact replay of 2016 is absolute madness, and it is an indicator of how fundamentally bad the Democrat leaders are at their jobs.

Like, I think I'm totally within my rights here to be running out of patience with these people. It's sheer incompetence that in 2020 the standard bearer for the entire party is a mush-brained old man with a horrendous voting record that doesn't align with progressives even slightly.

I'm gonna vote for Biden, but the idea that I should blindly follow the wisdom of the Democrats is just laughable at this point. These people don't know what the **** they're doing, and I don't feel remotely comfortable leaving the fate of the country in the hands of these morons.

I think we need to kill the narrative that Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016. Sanders has had 4 years to make his case and expand his base of voters. He lost 2016 fair and square and now 4 years later he’s thus far failed to turnout new voters and young voters. This is not the DNC or Leaders doing anything this is what Democratic voters are prioritizing.

Joe Biden was dead in the water before South Carolina. There was no funding, no DNC fluffing nothing. He won South Carolina, the other candidates didn’t come close and he started to get endorsements. He pretty much showed he was viable through that one primary. Sanders didn’t even make an attempt to get Clyburn’s endorsement. He’s had 4 years to build coalitions with non Bernie Democrats and make a case to more moderate members of his party but he chose not to. Then it’s no surprise when the moderates drop out that voters and party members go to the person that they have some form of relationship with and who doesn’t insult their party.

The last thing I’ll say is that I know that you’ll vote for for the greater good, but even in your words I already see a repeat of 2016. I’m already seeing Bernie supporters post crap like Joe Biden is senile and has dementia. Now I’m sure you can see how calling him a mush brain feeds into this narrative. Joe Biden is inarticulate and his policies are not in line with Bernie’s but if he’s running on a more Progressive policy platform than even Obama. Critique him on policies not some rumours and hit pieces. I can already see the same hit pieces from the left that Hillary faces, super predators, Clinton Foundation and all the other lies. Can’t let the same happen with Bernie or Biden.

It's really not about Bernie for me, though. Yeah I wanted him to win the nomination, but if the Dems nominated some elite Obama tier candidate in the center lane, I wouldn't be complaining about that from a strategy perspective. My issue is that Biden is such an incredibly weak candidate and nearly all of the Democrats are pretending he's not because he's +8 in a random poll vs Trump. this type of thinking is why we wildly overestimated Hillary winning the election and it betrays all that will happen between now and November.

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It's really not about Bernie for me, though. Yeah I wanted him to win the nomination, but if the Dems nominated some elite Obama tier candidate in the center lane, I wouldn't be complaining about that from a strategy perspective. My issue is that Biden is such an incredibly weak candidate and nearly all of the Democrats are pretending he's not because he's +8 in a random poll vs Trump. this type of thinking is why we wildly overestimated Hillary winning the election and it betrays all that will happen between now and November.

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. "Vote Blue no Matter Who" is a prime example of this phenomena.

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2016 all over again

Is Tom Stoppard writing this material? I feel like I'm reading a Theater of the Absurd play.

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I don't know if Biden could do it, but that would be an excellent approach.

Don't respond directly to extreme allegations from Trump and proxies, with an "I'm talking with people who want to save this country from insanity" approach perhaps.

Man, I don't know what level you guys are on, but this sounds like complete insanity to me. This is literally, I repeat, literally, what Hillary Clinton did in 2016. It did not work!



Ignoring Trump's insane attacks just lets him control the narrative. It's wild how people learned nothing from 2016. We are so ****ed.

Biden has a huge advantage over Hillary, in that he was not the subject of an insane 30 year long propaganda campaign. Also he's a white male. Trump supporters are going to look at biden and be like, huh making fun of that guy makes me uncomfortable. Because sexism. It's not a conscious thing.

[Ruzious]

I don't know if Biden could do it, but that would be an excellent approach.

Don't respond directly to extreme allegations from Trump and proxies, with an "I'm talking with people who want to save this country from insanity" approach perhaps.

Man, I don't know what level you guys are on, but this sounds like complete insanity to me. This is literally, I repeat, literally, what Hillary Clinton did in 2016. It did not work!



Ignoring Trump's insane attacks just lets him control the narrative. It's wild how people learned nothing from 2016. We are so ****ed.

Biden has a huge advantage over Hillary, in that he was not the subject of an insane 30 year long propaganda campaign. Also he's a white male. Trump supporters are going to look at biden and be like, huh making fun of that guy makes me uncomfortable. Because sexism. It's not a conscious thing.

Oh come on - just because no woman has won the general election for President since we started having elections in the 1700's doesn't mean there's sexism. It's um... a coincidence. Sexism had nothing to do with Hillary losing. Yeah, that's the... ticket.

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2016 all over again

What, so idiot jr can talk over Hunter, who is not a professional gish galloper? Hell no. How about the FBI open up an investigation into both of them? You ready to hand over your tax returns and the tax returns of your father, jr? To prove that you don't benefit from your father's name?

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Most Dems are going to vote for whoever the party nominates....anybody is preferable to Trump. But the same poll shows that Dems want Biden to be the nominee...by a margin of 52% to 36%.

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Most Dems are going to vote for whoever the party nominates....anybody is preferable to Trump. But the same poll shows that Dems prefer that the nominee be Biden....by a margin of 53% to 36%.

The primary is over. Joe Biden has won. I've never seen a stunning turnaround like this.

I also have never seen a candidate for POTUS only give a 7 minute stump speech in front of hundreds of people which is what happened with Biden in St. Louis on Saturday. Biden campaign is wisely limiting Joe's availability to the press and public events to avoid his gaffes and other things.

I wonder if Bernie runs until June, amass delegates, gets some leverage on the party platform again.

Or does Bernie drop out in April?

If you were Sanders, what would you do?

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The primary is over. Joe Biden has won. I've never seen a stunning turnaround like this.

I also have never seen a candidate for POTUS only give a 7 minute stump speech in front of hundreds of people which is what happened with Biden in St. Louis on Saturday. Biden campaign is wisely limiting Joe's availability to the press and public events to avoid his gaffes and other things.

I wonder if Bernie runs until June, amass delegates, gets some leverage on the party platform again.

Or does Bernie drop out in April?

If you were Sanders, what would you do?

I agree that the primary is over...and it's smart of Biden's campaign to limit his speeches and public appearances for the reason you cite.

I expect Biden to crush Sanders in Michigan tomorrow. If that happens, Bernie will have to take a good long look at his chances to beat the former VP...and whether it would be better and wiser for the Dem party to unify behind Biden now rather than later.

It's pretty clear that Biden--and not Sanders--has the coalition that's needed to beat Trump...suburban women, older voters, African Americans, etc. I'd also argue that, despite Bernie's claims, Joe is really the candidate who has the support of working people.

I just hope that the mostly young Americans who are supporting Sanders can get over their candidate losing the nomination and come out in November and vote for Joe.

Bernie is right on many issues...but Biden is best-equipped to beat Trump.