Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans

[Frichuela]

From a Dallas fan on the general trade board:

jayjaysee
King of the Trade Board
#117 » 9 minutes ago
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Putting away my Dallas hat;

I love this trade for Washington obviously.

They turned absolutely nothing into a big that will make Beal happy, 45-50 games a year.

Except they have a great (and developing) backup center on a great contract so they can deal with KP injuries.

They are going to have a really good pick in the draft to add to the youth they have.

They have KCP, Rui, Kispert, Deni, their first, and other value to trade for a better fitting starting point guard if they want to. They need to trade for a PG, but depends on the player what pieces are available obviously.. that’s the value to trade for any PG the team wants, as I have Deni worth a lot and a top 10 pick.. But they can aim lower and target Smart or Graham..

Washington fans should be really excited.

[queridiculo]

And why oh why oh did we trade down to get Holiday then literally gave him away?

This one, absolute heads scratcher.

Cash considerations after dropping out of the first round to trade for him?

WTF.

[pcbothwel]

And why oh why oh did we trade down to get Holiday then literally gave him away?

This one, absolute heads scratcher.

Cash considerations after dropping out of the first round to trade for him?

WTF.

Even stranger is we didnt need to. We are under the tax, so surprises me that we couldnt take back a useless expiring + 2nd.

[queridiculo]

And why oh why oh did we trade down to get Holiday then literally gave him away?

This one, absolute heads scratcher.

Cash considerations after dropping out of the first round to trade for him?

WTF.

Even stranger is we didnt need to. We are under the tax, so surprises me that we couldnt take back a useless expiring + 2nd.

Stranger yet, THE WIZARDS NEED A PG!

[nate33]

And why oh why oh did we trade down to get Holiday then literally gave him away?

This one, absolute heads scratcher.

Cash considerations after dropping out of the first round to trade for him?

WTF.

The initial acquisition of Holiday was the mistake. The fact that we dumped him doesn't bother me. That's just taking the loss now instead of waiting until the offseason. Clearly, Sheppard was convinced that Holiday is not the PG of the future for this team and had no intention of resigning him in the offseason. With that the case, the next best thing is to unload him for value.

I'm disappointed that we couldn't turn him into a 2nd round pick. But maybe, by turning him into a TPE, that TPE can be used next Trade Deadline to buy off a contract for a luxtax team in exchange for a 2nd round pick. Essentially, the TPE is still an asset which may ultimately become a 2nd round pick. Time will tell.

I'm not sure if the TPE is for the full $3.98M of his salary, or if it's for 80% of $3.98M, which would be more like $3.2M.

[The Consiglieri]

Here is a real question. Is there any chance of Beal returning if we could make the playoffs

No. No no. The smartest thing now is to let Porzingis rest, tank for a top pick and build around that. Extend Beal in the summer, just don't give him a supermax.

I’ll be absolutely astonished if he doesn’t get the Supermax and resigns w/us. Could see him signing elsewhere for less or supermax for us. There is no in between. Needless to say, I would’ve traded him years ago.

[The Consiglieri]

I want to believe that Porzingis will be a valuable player, certainly he has great size and is willing to shoot from range. On the other hand, that we were able to pick him up for two contracts widely seen as strong overpays is a huge red flag. I hope like hell he's a good player for us but wouldn't be shocked if we end up regretting the deal. Still one I am glad the team rolled the dice on; we weren't going anywhere as we were.

I really don't see how it's possible to regret the deal. In a worst case scenario, we traded two useless players for one useless player, but we got off the final year of Bertans' contract and we freed up a roster spot.

X1000. The only way we’d ever regret the deal is if we end up resigning porzingis for something stupid. Right here, right now this is two bad contracts in totality through ‘25 being exchanged for one horrible 2.5 year one.

[spaceman_E]

Incredible deal. In related news, wtf is Dallas doing

[Dat2U]

And why oh why oh did we trade down to get Holiday then literally gave him away?

This one, absolute heads scratcher.

Cash considerations after dropping out of the first round to trade for him?

WTF.

Even stranger is we didnt need to. We are under the tax, so surprises me that we couldnt take back a useless expiring + 2nd.

I like it. It means there was an honest reflection that the acquistion was a mistake. Move on and learn from it.

[The Consiglieri]

I imagine Dallas viewed this as two useful pieces on bad contracts for a giant contract perpetually on IR. I still think it’s stupid but that’s how it sounds to me.

For us, it just feels like freeing us to build around the ‘19-24 keepers (assuming we suck enough to use the protections in ‘23 and possibly ‘24) when KP’s deal ends 2 years from now w/the possibility we can move KP in ‘23 or ‘24 if he ever has a period of sustained health.

The utility of KP as a player is largely irrelevant to me unless he suddenly becomes an asset we can move. Obviously he has plenty of talent but the health concerns make him largely a non starter to me as a building block piece. He’s a contract we got to eat that might be a movable trade piece down the line. That’s fine. We weren’t doing anything for a long while anyway and now we can focus on tanking and learning about our young guys.

[djsunyc]

you will need to load manage porzingis. he is made of glass. that's the only way this could possibly work.

[WallToWall]

Look at it this way... we got Porzingis for a player, Bertans, who was not getting many minutes and whose 3pt shot was not falling as well as in the past. We got a 2nd rnd pick for Dinwiddie. Porzingis may be made of glass, but he will play at least 50% of the games and be reasonably effective in his role. Getting them both off the team was addition by subtraction.

[dobrojim]

Next year

G ???
G Beal, KCP
F Avdija, Kispert
F Kuzma, Hachimura
C Porzingis, Gafford

Calculus changes a bit. Now they are PG away from being pretty solid. They would be smart to rest Porzingis as much as possible and tank for a high pick.

You are assuming this kills any chance of resigning Thomas Bryant?

Bryant is gone IMO. He has no role on this team with KP here.

I was much more hopeful about Bryant before he came back.
I don’t think WUJ should have just given him the starters job.
We’ve been losing ever since he got back, part of which is a brutal
schedule but his D has been gawd awful. His O hasn’t been good either.
If he leaves, we’re not losing much. I like Gaff a lot better.

[Frichuela]

You are assuming this kills any chance of resigning Thomas Bryant?

Bryant is gone IMO. He has no role on this team with KP here.

I was much more hopeful about Bryant before he came back.
I don’t think WUJ should have just given him the starters job.
We’ve been losing ever since he got back, part of which is a brutal
schedule but his D has been gawd awful. His O hasn’t been good either.
If he leaves, we’re not losing much. I like Gaff a lot better.

Agreed. His D continues to be abysmal…you can not be a winning team with him at center

[Dat2U]

you will need to load manage porzingis. he is made of glass. that's the only way this could possibly work.

Yep, cap him at 28-30 minutes. You gotta good backup C in Gafford and a decent starting PF in Kuz, KP shouldn't be getting 36- 40 minutes. Maybe rest him on certain back to backs as well. Get 65 games out of him, thats a win

[Frichuela]

you will need to load manage porzingis. he is made of glass. that's the only way this could possibly work.

Yep, cap him at 28-30 minutes. You gotta good backup C in Gafford and a decent starting PF in Kuz, KP shouldn't be getting 36- 40 minutes. Maybe rest him on certain back to backs as well. Get 65 games out of him, thats a win

Agreed. 100%. That should be the target.

[Kanyewest]

28% 3 point shooting is well below average for a stretch big but hopefully he can improve upon that with the Wizards.

[dlts20]

Here is a real question. Is there any chance of Beal returning if we could make the playoffs

No. No no. The smartest thing now is to let Porzingis rest, tank for a top pick and build around that. Extend Beal in the summer, just don't give him a supermax.

That's never really been the Wiz motto. They always play for the playoffs and deem that a success. Plus I think that they feel like the unicorn can possibly increase ticket sales. I think that he plays, at least until we keep looking like trash

[penbeast0]

Sorry, I think my 50 years as a Bullets/Wiz fans is getting the better of me. It's hard to believe any major deal we struck could possibly be a good one. This one is risky to me, Porzingis and his health may negate any value the rest of his career. But the guys we gave up weren't going to take us anywhere. I'm onboard with taking a big risk in the hopes of actually being good someday. I can't think of many bigs with Porzingis's injury history that were ever good again but it's not zero. There was always Ilgauskas. I'm on board with this deal, just think people are a little too euphoric given our long history.

[Eli Babak]

Here is a real question. Is there any chance of Beal returning if we could make the playoffs

No. No no. The smartest thing now is to let Porzingis rest, tank for a top pick and build around that. Extend Beal in the summer, just don't give him a supermax.

That's never really been the Wiz motto. They always play for the playoffs and deem that a success. Plus I think that they feel like the unicorn can possibly increase ticket sales. I think that he plays, at least until we keep looking like trash

I know. It's more likely to get the 9th pick or get our asses kicked in the 1st round, but I just tried to use my brain.

28% 3 point shooting is well below average for a stretch big but hopefully he can improve upon that with the Wizards.

Yea, he has struggled this season, but before this season he shot 283 / 785 = 36.1% with the Knicks and 239 / 661 = 36.2% with the Mavs. Not great, but decent enough.

His softness and basically "thinking he's better than he actually is" are things that annoy me the most. He needs strong coaching - just like Beal - so hopefully WUJ figures things out.