Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[dobrojim]

I'm thinking about a campaign for haploid equality.
Every sperm is sacred.

[Pointgod]

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[Kanyewest]

I'm thinking about a campaign for haploid equality.
Every sperm is sacred.

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[montestewart]

I'm thinking about a campaign for haploid equality.
Every sperm is sacred.

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Legislators who oppose sperm equality, be warned, we’re coming for you.

[dobrojim]

thanks for vid...FWIW, I didn't intend to claim originality nor make light of what
is a profound fustercluck.

We have at least 3 flat our liars, really 4, on SCOTUS.
This institution is clearly in need of immediate reform by way of
expansion to a size that will diminish the importance of individual
appointments as well as term limits in order to make relative youth
far less important in the selection of nominees.

As if it weren't already bad enough, no one should be surprised when they
reverse a bunch of other decisions granting other important rights.

[montestewart]

thanks for vid...FWIW, I didn't intend to claim originality nor make light of what
is a profound fustercluck.

We have at least 3 flat our liars, really 4, on SCOTUS.
This institution is clearly in need of immediate reform by way of
expansion to a size that will diminish the importance of individual
appointments as well as term limits in order to make relative youth
far less important in the selection of nominees.

As if it weren't already bad enough, no one should be surprised when they
reverse a bunch of other decisions granting other important rights.

Look for some in the winguard to float a theory of the primacy of the Takings Claude over the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. You thought All Lives Matter was obnoxious? Wait’ll you see reparations for the descendents of slaveholders.

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[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I haven’t really waded into this thread too much, despite following politics very closely, but I pose a question regarding Manchin.

What really is the expectation of him for Dems and the those on the left or those more liberal leaning? He’s obviously a moderate at best, a Blue Dog, and needs to hold certain positions in a ruby red state in order to have a chance at getting re-elected. Would Dems preference be that he changes parties or have a sure fire, staunch conservative replace him instead of someone that won’t give them everything they want but who will still vote with them more often than not?

Manchin’s SCOTUS votes were obviously calculated and at the end of the day the justices in question still would have gotten through one way or the other.

And on full disclosure, I disagree with overturning RvW. I just think Dems are obviously oblivious that to the fact that their problems run much deeper than Dem senators from the likes of Arizona and West Virginia putting a kibosh on some of their “grand plans.”

[Pointgod]

Guys are we sure you still want to create a false equivalency between Democrats and Republicans on racism? I mean really when the Republicans are going full mask off with their white supremacist rhetoric and praising Hitler?

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[Zonkerbl]

I think the Democratic party is the only one that has a chance of adopting anti-racist policies. The fact that they refuse to is infuriating. I won't apologize for being mad at the Democrats for embracing racist policies, like drug prohibition, or refusing to defund the police, when they could be doing so much better.

I'll vote for them, reluctantly, but I would "vote harder" if they endorsed less racist policies. Screaming at me to "VOTE HARDER! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER GUY IS!" just ticks me off. Talk is cheap. And look at what pointing fingers at the evil guys has accomplished - bupkus. Dems control - THIS VERY SECOND - the White House, the Senate, and the House. What are they accomplishing? Getting their butts kicked on Roe v. Wade.

Democrats need to replace all their old racist moderates with younger blood that actually wants to accomplish something and isn't constantly pining for the uneducated white vote. People who agree with your WORDS but don't see any ACTION. All you have to do to get these people out to vote is to show a spine and DO SOMETHING.

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[Zonkerbl]

I haven’t really waded into this thread too much, despite following politics very closely, but I pose a question regarding Manchin.

What really is the expectation of him for Dems and the those on the left or those more liberal leaning? He’s obviously a moderate at best, a Blue Dog, and needs to hold certain positions in a ruby red state in order to have a chance at getting re-elected. Would Dems preference be that he changes parties or have a sure fire, staunch conservative replace him instead of someone that won’t give them everything they want but who will still vote with them more often than not?

Manchin’s SCOTUS votes were obviously calculated and at the end of the day the justices in question still would have gotten through one way or the other.

And on full disclosure, I disagree with overturning RvW. I just think Dems are obviously oblivious that to the fact that their problems run much deeper than Dem senators from the likes of Arizona and West Virginia putting a kibosh on some of their “grand plans.”

2020 was an important but incomplete victory. We already knew Sinema and Manchin were Dems in name only, which is important because they did let us stop McConnel from blocking Dem court appointments. But we needed more and didn't get it. Now we're seeing the consequences of that - you can win and still lose. Barely holding on by your fingernails against an opponent that you outvoted by 8% is extremely frustrating, and it's because the right cared enough about abortion to commit time and effort to overturning it, and the left does the opposite, letting unions die, letting Roe die (Obama could have passed national level abortion law but didn't), letting climate change die (Obama had climate change legislation on the table in 2010 and let the Republicans run out the clock on Obamacare). What the left wants is popular, and we should already have all these things. Having to fight a losing battle because the Dems bet the farm on holding the rust belt in 2016 - chasing after uneducated white voters that Trump peeled off effortlessly - because they refuse to endorse the policies their core constituencies want - makes you want to punch somebody.

[Bonscott]

Pretty ironic that democrats cry racism against the black man but have no issue with democrats being racist against the white man.Barack Obama and Lebron James to name a couple

[dckingsfan]

I haven’t really waded into this thread too much, despite following politics very closely, but I pose a question regarding Manchin.

What really is the expectation of him for Dems and the those on the left or those more liberal leaning? He’s obviously a moderate at best, a Blue Dog, and needs to hold certain positions in a ruby red state in order to have a chance at getting re-elected. Would Dems preference be that he changes parties or have a sure fire, staunch conservative replace him instead of someone that won’t give them everything they want but who will still vote with them more often than not?

Manchin’s SCOTUS votes were obviously calculated and at the end of the day the justices in question still would have gotten through one way or the other.

And on full disclosure, I disagree with overturning RvW. I just think Dems are obviously oblivious that to the fact that their problems run much deeper than Dem senators from the likes of Arizona and West Virginia putting a kibosh on some of their “grand plans.”

The Democrats simply don't have the seats to do what they want/need. It is really that simple. And other than short spurts they haven't for quite some time.

Look for Trump to win in 2024 & again in 2028. What will be nice about that is there will be no "blaming" the Democrats. Wait, I take that back, folks are blaming Biden now for the deficit after Bush & Trump ran up 8T in debt.

[pancakes3]

Pretty ironic that democrats cry racism against the black man but have no issue with democrats being racist against the white man.Barack Obama and Lebron James to name a couple

racism is a little bit more complicated than a person of one race saying disparaging things about a person of another.

[Pointgod]

I haven’t really waded into this thread too much, despite following politics very closely, but I pose a question regarding Manchin.

What really is the expectation of him for Dems and the those on the left or those more liberal leaning? He’s obviously a moderate at best, a Blue Dog, and needs to hold certain positions in a ruby red state in order to have a chance at getting re-elected. Would Dems preference be that he changes parties or have a sure fire, staunch conservative replace him instead of someone that won’t give them everything they want but who will still vote with them more often than not?

Manchin is a Democrat. His only goal should be voting for what benefits Democrats. I don’t think he should give a blank check on Democratic legislation but completely blocking Democratic priorities is unacceptable, especially when it could mean Democrats lose the House and Senate. No Manchin shouldn’t switch parties and anyone that says that is an idiot, it would mean Mitch McConnell is minority leader. However Manchin hasn’t dealt in good faith, he could have worked with Bernie to pass certain parts of Biden’s Build Back Better legislation, instead of killing it in the Senate. Yes Manchin is in a red state but I have my doubts he’ll run again and he might lose his next election anyways which makes him a complete ****. That’s the problem with Manchin, he’s living in the past. He believes that that Democrats will lose Congress and then get it back when the reality is that once Republicans get all three branches the will cheat and change the laws to ensure the Democratic Party will never win a single branch of Congress again.

Manchin’s SCOTUS votes were obviously calculated and at the end of the day the justices in question still would have gotten through one way or the other.

Agreed. It’s irrelevant it would have passed anyways. It seems to have worked for him politically.

And on full disclosure, I disagree with overturning RvW. I just think Dems are obviously oblivious that to the fact that their problems run much deeper than Dem senators from the likes of Arizona and West Virginia putting a kibosh on some of their “grand plans.”

The problem is that Manchin and Sinema are blocking plans that are broadly popular at the expense of other members of Congress and Biden. It’s patently **** stupid as a strategy. If Manchin can vote for the American Rescue plan and work with Republicans for the infrastructure and gun safety bills, then why work against his own party? He could literally just say hey this is what I’ll agree to and pass whatever is good for West Virginia.

Here’s a good example. The child tax credit was so popular that even Mitch McConnell was scared of it.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gpzp/mitch-mcconnell-child-tax-credit

That’s why less time needs to be focused yelling at and blaming Democrats and instead electing more Democrats so you can make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant.

[dobrojim]

Eastman's phone was seized the same day Clark's house was searched and his phone seized.

Bonscott, you're freaking hilarious. Can you explain what you just posted? What are you even
talking about?

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the two girls at 1:05 in the video, your daughter and a friend right?

[Pointgod]

Pretty ironic that democrats cry racism against the black man but have no issue with democrats being racist against the white man.Barack Obama and Lebron James to name a couple

[dobrojim]

The epitome of bad faith arguments (re racism in the US) is when today's pubs talk about dems
as if the realignment and inversion of the two parties which accelerated in 65 and solidified
between then and Nixon's reelection never happened. I recently read one go as far as saying
dems were mad at pubs because the pubs freed their slaves.

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[Zonkerbl]

So the Kennedy prayer case at the SCOTUS was interesting.

IMHO, as a non-Christian, if you stand on the fifty yard line as a coach and start praying at the end of the game:
1) of course all the 75% hard core right wing Christian football players will join in
2) of course there will be hard core pressure on everyone else to join in
3) of course there will be consequences for not joining in

DUH! Anyone who has been to HS will recognize these things as obviously true.

Does the SCOTUS decision allow a nod and a wink to school employees (employed by the state, so the government) to introduce prayer into schools as long as you can make up some weak excuse that it wasn't part of your "official duties" and there was no explicit pressure to join in? OF COURSE IT DOES. As a jew with experience with how overbearingly fascist the Christian majority can be about imposing their views on you without your consent - get out of here with this BS. Really looking forward to the coach led "Jew for Jesus" prayers at school exits in radical right wing neighborhoods.

There was a video going around of a bunch of religious whackos singing prayers in an airplane on its way to Ukraine - it might have been a chartered flight full of consenting adults but let me just say if that happened in a plane I was on I'd start screaming non-stop until they stopped or the plane landed, whichever comes first.

Maybe I should memorize an hours worth of death metal lyrics, just in case.