His dad, Richard Johnson Jr., played college basketball at Baylor before transferring to Midwestern State. He eventually became an assistant coach at Lake Highlands, the Dallas-area high school that Tre attended.
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I always like it when the dad was a hooper and coach.
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DCZards wrote:I like how this guy emphasized the valuable role that CJ McCollum and Middleton can play in Tre’s development. I totally agree.AFM wrote:
Nothing against either Mid or CJ. I was curious why
Smart wasn't included in that list.
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From NYT
But, post-Poole, the Wizards expect and hope to spray the ball around more. This isn’t a diss of Poole. He was the only guy who could go get a bucket last season. And off the swing-swing pass, Johnson should make defenses pay.
“During the workout, we’d throw him in positions, on offense, plays that we run, and see how quickly he picks up on it. And the guy’s a sponge. He has a high IQ,” Dawkins said.
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dobrojim wrote:DCZards wrote:I like how this guy emphasized the valuable role that CJ McCollum and Middleton can play in Tre’s development. I totally agree.AFM wrote:
Nothing against either Mid or CJ. I was curious why
Smart wasn't included in that list.
I’m guessing because Smart is not known for his offensive repertoire…and this guy was talking solely about shooting and scoring.
OTOH, there’s a lot that Johnson and the other youngins can learn about D from an elite and intelligent defender like Marcus.
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Vid on Tre prior to the season. James was watching him in 10th grade. Dropping buckets on Cason Wallace who's on OKC now.
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The more I watch Tre Johnson play the more I like his game. When you put what he did last year in the proper context you can really start to appreciate what's about to happen. Texas Basketball was dysfunctional. As soon as the last game ended they fired the head coach.
Tre Johnson was not put in a situation that maximized his success. A good analogy is to compare it to how some resturants to a great job plating food while other rsturants just put the food on the plate and push it out. When food is plated, even though it might not taste any better than non-plated food our mind plays tricks on us.
The same thing happens in basketball with draft prospects. I believe that the purpose of scouting is to discern how good a player is objectively from how he appears. This might sound incohrent internet babble but it goes to the heart of why scouting players for the draft is so hard. There is the objective reality of how good a player A is. And then there is the actual production/play of player A. The latter, however, is impacted by a ton of factors outside of player A's control. Now in situations where the coach is able to maximize player A's talents there is no discrepancy between these two things. But this is not always the case. And for Tre Johnson at Texas I can say with deep conviction that he was not set up to succeed. Now this doesn't change how objectively good he is but it will impactful how people perceive, analyze and project him going forward in the NBA.
There are several swing skills that will shape his career.
1. Playmaking/Passing - This is a critical skill for Tre to continue to improve because if you can't do it, no team will allow you to attack on ball. Defenses will know that all they have to do is help and from there you will make mistakes.
2. Ball-handling - Tre's ball handling skills are not bad, but to be a lead guard he needs to tighten them up. His turnover rate was low but imo this was a function of hin taking tough shots becayse he couldn't get by his defender.
3. Finishing - Speaks for itself. Again not a bad finisher but to be an elite scoring option, you have to be able to finish at the rim.
4. Drawing Free Throw Attempts - Again this is self evident. The best example of the impact that free throws can have on Tre's game is the Kentucky game.
;ab_channel=FrankieVision
Tre had 34/9/3 but only went 1-8 from 3. At the same time he went 9/10 from the free throw line. If all he did was make the shoot his normal average he could have had 40+ pretty easily.
5. Efficient scoring. For great offensive players the ball is never sticky. Either they are decisively attacking or they are moving the ball quickly. The same needs to be true for Tre.
6. Defensive intensity - At 6 4.5 without shoes, 6'6 with shoes and a 6'10 3/4 wingspan Tre has the potential to be an impactful defender.
Tre Johnson was not put in a situation that maximized his success. A good analogy is to compare it to how some resturants to a great job plating food while other rsturants just put the food on the plate and push it out. When food is plated, even though it might not taste any better than non-plated food our mind plays tricks on us.
Nicely presented food generally leads to a more positive dining experience, as it can enhance perceived taste, quality, and even the perceived value of a meal. Studies have shown that diners tend to believe that neatly presented food tastes better than the same food presented in a less appealing manner
The same thing happens in basketball with draft prospects. I believe that the purpose of scouting is to discern how good a player is objectively from how he appears. This might sound incohrent internet babble but it goes to the heart of why scouting players for the draft is so hard. There is the objective reality of how good a player A is. And then there is the actual production/play of player A. The latter, however, is impacted by a ton of factors outside of player A's control. Now in situations where the coach is able to maximize player A's talents there is no discrepancy between these two things. But this is not always the case. And for Tre Johnson at Texas I can say with deep conviction that he was not set up to succeed. Now this doesn't change how objectively good he is but it will impactful how people perceive, analyze and project him going forward in the NBA.
There are several swing skills that will shape his career.
1. Playmaking/Passing - This is a critical skill for Tre to continue to improve because if you can't do it, no team will allow you to attack on ball. Defenses will know that all they have to do is help and from there you will make mistakes.
2. Ball-handling - Tre's ball handling skills are not bad, but to be a lead guard he needs to tighten them up. His turnover rate was low but imo this was a function of hin taking tough shots becayse he couldn't get by his defender.
3. Finishing - Speaks for itself. Again not a bad finisher but to be an elite scoring option, you have to be able to finish at the rim.
4. Drawing Free Throw Attempts - Again this is self evident. The best example of the impact that free throws can have on Tre's game is the Kentucky game.
;ab_channel=FrankieVision
Tre had 34/9/3 but only went 1-8 from 3. At the same time he went 9/10 from the free throw line. If all he did was make the shoot his normal average he could have had 40+ pretty easily.
5. Efficient scoring. For great offensive players the ball is never sticky. Either they are decisively attacking or they are moving the ball quickly. The same needs to be true for Tre.
6. Defensive intensity - At 6 4.5 without shoes, 6'6 with shoes and a 6'10 3/4 wingspan Tre has the potential to be an impactful defender.
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If Tre has 75% of the improvement Beal had from his rookie season, we would have a multi time all star player in our hands. His work ethic is reportedly off the charts so I am hopeful!
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The thing that really stood out watching the games is that he is comfortable shooting any type of 3: Stationary/moving in either direction/ off the dribble moving either direction/stepping back/pulling up. The only type of 3 i didn't see him take was one legged lol.
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I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
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tontoz wrote:The thing that really stood out watching the games is that he is comfortable shooting any type of 3: Stationary/moving in either direction/ off the dribble moving either direction/stepping back/pulling up. The only type of 3 i didn't see him take was one legged lol.
Yes...Tre's comfort shooting and making 3s in almost every possible fashion is VERY impressive.
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DCZards wrote:tontoz wrote:The thing that really stood out watching the games is that he is comfortable shooting any type of 3: Stationary/moving in either direction/ off the dribble moving either direction/stepping back/pulling up. The only type of 3 i didn't see him take was one legged lol.
Yes...Tre's comfort shooting and making 3s in almost every possible fashion is VERY impressive.
The kids growing on me... In an interview he was asked who he'd envision as the face of the league in a few years, and he replied "I could see myself as the face of the league, I kinda have a likeable personality"..... I like the kid's personality....
Why did you pick your number Tre?
"I kinda just stared at the list and seen which one grew on me"..... This boy is a damn fool.... LMAO.....
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super nice kid; easy to root for. & there is no doubt he can shoot. Now tighten up that defense, son, and you'll be a force in the league for a dozen years!
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AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.
The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.
If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.
https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f
PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
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dobrojim wrote:AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.
The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.
If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.
https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f
PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.
You gotta change it from a youtu.be link to youtube.com
Nor only is tre a better 3 point shooter, he also has a back to the basket game far more advanced than Beal, I want to say, ever had.
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AFM wrote:dobrojim wrote:AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.
The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.
If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.
https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f
PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.
You gotta change it from a youtu.be link to youtube.com
Nor only is tre a better 3 point shooter, he also has a back to the basket game far more advanced than Beal, I want to say, ever had.
Both Bub and Tre play really well off picks and screens. I'd love to see us land a young front court player who racks high numbers in screen assists.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle?PerMode=Per36&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=SCREEN_ASSISTS
Both Alex Sarr and Richaun Holmes ranked pretty high in this metric, so retaining Holmes is not the worst idea. But still, if I could steal Oscar Tshibwe from Utah I'd be happy. He's a restricted free agent but they might let him go for a small handful of 2nd rounders. His G League numbers were insane, posting close to 20 boards a game. Over 8 offensive ones. For a team that figures to gun from outside and miss a lot, he'd be a great junkyard dawg to have roaming the middle. He's one of those short concrete block types with arms like construction cranes who do a poor job of protecting the rim but can box out anybody and rebound like a demon. Still allows us to tank in that he won't deter penetration, but he gets us extra shots for our gunners to practice firing away from outside.
Otherwise I'd be looking at some of my past draft faves like Ariel Hukporti (NYK), Neemias Queta (BOS), or a guy like Nfante Daly (Houston). With all the centers Houston has added then maybe Daly would be the easiest get. Waiting for him to be released.
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Tshiebwe is out of Kentucky, where he put up crazy rebounding numbers.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe
**Check out his insane game-by-game rebounds and PER**
If the Wizards snag him, they would be adding a prolific rebounder to go along with their prolific scorer (Tre), defender (Bilal), and shot blocker (Sarr).
If they get Tshiebwe, I like that they would be adding another seasoned rookie-deal player. AJ Johnson and Dillon Jones are in DC feeling wanted and given a second chance by the Wizards.
Tshiebwe is Ben Wallace minus the shotblocking.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe
**Check out his insane game-by-game rebounds and PER**
If the Wizards snag him, they would be adding a prolific rebounder to go along with their prolific scorer (Tre), defender (Bilal), and shot blocker (Sarr).
If they get Tshiebwe, I like that they would be adding another seasoned rookie-deal player. AJ Johnson and Dillon Jones are in DC feeling wanted and given a second chance by the Wizards.
Tshiebwe is Ben Wallace minus the shotblocking.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
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dobrojim wrote:AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.
Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.
I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.
I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.
Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.
One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.
The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.
I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.
I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.
The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.
If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.
https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f
PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.
Always cool when someone breaks down the nuances in a person's game. Nice insight on what possibly contributed to Tre setting himself part from the rest of this year's pack.
Let's see if it translates on the highest level!
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dobrojim wrote:
https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f
PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.
In order to embed a vid using the YouTube button you have to delete this https://youtu.be/ and this ?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f.
Then just put this part qeaQoiWcMY4 into the YouTube button.
"bulky agile perimeter bone crunch pick setting draymond green" WizD