NBA Free Agency — 2025 Edition

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McCollum to Houston and Kispert to Denver. All the second round picks back to us.

[nate33]

McCollum to Houston and Kispert to Denver. All the second round picks back to us.

They don't have the contract to send back.

Unless you want to slip Jokic into that trade

[dorianwrite]

One of the smartest small moves of the offseason so far. Denver knows what it's doing: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281182/Nuggets-Acquire-Jonas-Valanciunas-From-Kings-For-Dario-Saric

[Lucky Once]

If I were the Wiz FO I'd reach out to Dame's people once the dust settles. If he doesn't have anything more appealing on the table we could take a similar approach as to Sadiq Bey (presumably at a higher number) to let him rehab for 2025-26 and trade to a contender when healthy. Even better if we're able to front load the deal to make him a more appealing contract in 26-27.

[payitforward]

A very original idea! Well done....

[nate33]

If I were the Wiz FO I'd reach out to Dame's people once the dust settles. If he doesn't have anything more appealing on the table we could take a similar approach as to Sadiq Bey (presumably at a higher number) to let him rehab for 2025-26 and trade to a contender when healthy. Even better if we're able to front load the deal to make him a more appealing contract in 26-27.

It wouldn't work because of the clawback provision.

If Dame signs any contract with any other team over these next two years, whatever salary he is paid gets subtracted from Milwaukee's buyout. Dame doesn't get to "double dip".

Essentially, the end result is that nobody will bother to pay Dame more than the vet minimum because Dame is getting the same compensation either way. Paying more just subsidizes Milwaukee's cost to buy him out.

So ultimately, Dame would have no reason whatsoever to sign with us. He can just wait and sign with the team who best fits him when he is ready to play again.

[doclinkin]

Not to be too much of a cynic, but did a single transaction on the first day of free agency make any difference on any teams futures? Maybe if you squint and look at MPJr for Johnson, but that’s more addition by subtraction. Seems like a lot of money moved for fringe.

I think a lot of teams were waiting for the Giannis situation to solidify. If it's clear the Turner move is enough to fix him in place for another year then we may see movement from teams that were circling overhead. I think the Wiz as well may have been waiting to feast on the scraps of a Giannis feeding frenzy, facilitate trades. Now they will probably make a minor move or two in the front court then keep their powder dry until mid season when our $100m of expiring contracts can really help other teams.

[Lucky Once]

If I were the Wiz FO I'd reach out to Dame's people once the dust settles. If he doesn't have anything more appealing on the table we could take a similar approach as to Sadiq Bey (presumably at a higher number) to let him rehab for 2025-26 and trade to a contender when healthy. Even better if we're able to front load the deal to make him a more appealing contract in 26-27.

It wouldn't work because of the clawback provision.

If Dame signs any contract with any other team over these next two years, whatever salary he is paid gets subtracted from Milwaukee's buyout. Dame doesn't get to "double dip".

Essentially, the end result is that nobody will bother to pay Dame more than the vet minimum because Dame is getting the same compensation either way. Paying more just subsidizes Milwaukee's cost to buy him out.

So ultimately, Dame would have no reason whatsoever to sign with us. He can just wait and sign with the team who best fits him when he is ready to play again.

Bummer! I had a feeling I might be outsmarting myself.

[Tyrone Messby]

Remember the Mahinmi and Nicholson offseason? Good times.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Well I guess the idea is to prepare for injury to the two best players you have ? Maybe?

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Great. They're 3-deep at center while they don't have a single SG on the roster.

I know of a team that is six deep at SF and doesn't have one PF.

They are on rookie deals. Some guys don't find any playing time.

Positional redundancy at wing isn't nearly as big of an issue because a SF can slide up to SG or down to PF without too much trouble. Houston can't slide Steven Adams or Clint Capela over to forward.

All im saying is no matter how good they actually perform in practice, I don't see Dillon Jones or Justin Champagnie or Khris Middleton getting the minutes they deserve on a meritocracy. Will Riley? I see redundancy as re-bench-and-see.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Well I guess the idea is to prepare for injury to the two best players you have ? Maybe?

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Great. They're 3-deep at center while they don't have a single SG on the roster.

Look for Reed Sheppard to get a lot of run at SG. A little small but, like you said, they don't have other options SG...and there may not have been a SG worth picking up in free agency.

Isn't Thompson an all-world SG?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McCollum to Houston and Kispert to Denver. All the second round picks back to us.

They don't have the contract to send back.

Unless you want to slip Jokic into that trade

Jonas Valanciunas is joining Jokic in Denver.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not to be too much of a cynic, but did a single transaction on the first day of free agency make any difference on any teams futures? Maybe if you squint and look at MPJr for Johnson, but that’s more addition by subtraction. Seems like a lot of money moved for fringe.

I think a lot of teams were waiting for the Giannis situation to solidify. If it's clear the Turner move is enough to fix him in place for another year then we may see movement from teams that were circling overhead. I think the Wiz as well may have been waiting to feast on the scraps of a Giannis feeding frenzy, facilitate trades. Now they will probably make a minor move or two in the front court then keep their powder dry until mid season when our $100m of expiring contracts can really help other teams.

They waived Lillard, and Giannis is reportedly not happy about it.

[nate33]

I know of a team that is six deep at SF and doesn't have one PF.

They are on rookie deals. Some guys don't find any playing time.

Positional redundancy at wing isn't nearly as big of an issue because a SF can slide up to SG or down to PF without too much trouble. Houston can't slide Steven Adams or Clint Capela over to forward.

All im saying is no matter how good they actually perform in practice, I don't see Dillon Jones or Justin Champagnie or Khris Middleton getting the minutes they deserve on a meritocracy. Will Riley? I see redundancy as re-bench-and-see.

Middleton is going to be load managed because of his injury history. The goal is to keep him healthy to hopefully set up a trade.

I agree that Champagnie will probably not get the minutes he deserves. That's because they view Bilal and George as having a higher ceiling if they are developed properly, so they are going to be force fed minutes. I don't think that's that unreasonable. Bilal and George do have a very high ceiling given their size, length and ball handling.

I don't know if Dillon Jones will deserve more minutes than any of the other forwards on the roster except perhaps Riley. So far, Jones has proven to be a player without a position. He shoots too poorly to play off ball. And he's not as good of an on-ball option as other better options like McCollum, Bub and Tre.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Remember the Mahinmi and Nicholson offseason? Good times.

Ian Mahinmi, we hardly knew ye.

In the 2017 draft, with the 22nd first round pick, Ernie Grunfeld looked at the Orlando Magic roster and he thought it would be wise to trade the Wizards pick for two Orlando journeymen, Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson.

As part of a larger deal, Brooklyn selected Jarrett Allen with the Wizards' 22nd.

Guess who's the 4th best 2017 Draft player behind Tatum, Mitchell, and Adebayo

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2017.html

1X All-Star Jarrettt Allen

At least the Wizards got the great Jason Smith and even lesser Andrew Nicholson.

[doclinkin]

They waived Lillard, and Giannis is reportedly not happy about it.

Middleton is going to be load managed because of his injury history. The goal is to keep him healthy to hopefully set up a trade.

Surely too much money, even with Middleton expiring, but a team that wanted to land Giannis and make him happy might trade for his good friend KMidd as well. Then re-sign him at a discount after the year? Probably unworkable, just thinking of ways to get in on a Giannis re-shuffle. Sending out $33m of expiring cash would let us take on yet another big deal, freighted with draft goodies.

[WallToWall]

Is DeAndre Jordan available? That may be a low cost 1 year rental.

[nate33]

Read on Twitter

This makes the Corey Kispert deal look pretty good. Kispert got 3 years $40M with a Team Option for a 4th year. Here are their respective numbers over the last 2 seasons. Notably, Duncan is already 30 years old and getting ready to enter his decline. Kispert just turned 26 and should be entering his peak.



They're basically the same player except Robinson is a slightly better passer. They score at the same rate with the same efficiency, though Kispert does so with a bit more high efficiency drives to the cup. They have basically the same stocks. Robinson does a little better on the advanced numbers that are partially based on team success (WS/48, DRtg) but I'm not sure Kispert wouldn't do just as well on these metrics if he played on a team like Miami with Spo's sorcery and Bam's versatility to backstop him defensively.

[nate33]

Is DeAndre Jordan available? That may be a low cost 1 year rental.

DeAndre Jordan was washed 3 years ago. I'd definitely play Olynyk and Vukcevic 30 minutes a night a piece before I put Jordan on the floor.

[DukeLecker]

Remember the Mahinmi and Nicholson offseason? Good times.

Ian Mahinmi, we hardly knew ye.

In the 2017 draft, with the 22nd first round pick, Ernie Grunfeld looked at the Orlando Magic roster and he thought it would be wise to trade the Wizards pick for two Orlando journeymen, Jason Smith and Andrew Nicholson.

As part of a larger deal, Brooklyn selected Jarrett Allen with the Wizards' 22nd.

Guess who's the 4th best 2017 Draft player behind Tatum, Mitchell, and Adebayo

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2017.html

1X All-Star Jarrettt Allen

At least the Wizards got the great Jason Smith and even lesser Andrew Nicholson.

I thought the wizards traded the pick to the nets with Nicholson to salary dump him because he predictably sucked so bad.