Will EG make a move before the trade deadline?

clubbing_caveman · Post #41 » by **clubbing_caveman** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:39 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:We need another pg bad. We should have never let Steve Blake go!

In retrospect, maybe so. At the time though, we were thinking he would be our #3 PG and he wanted to get playing time. If we had signed him, he probably would have been disgruntled for the first year. He has developed into a serviceable PG that we could now use. We do need a PG, but cant we pick one up on the cheap?

hands11 · Post #42 » by **hands11** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 2:32 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:We need another pg bad. We should have never let Steve Blake go!

My thoughts exactly since the day it happened. I thought we could have keep Blake but didn't think we could keep Dixon also. But EJ never used Blake enough so I can understand him wanting to go elsewhere.

Now Dixon is working on becoming a PG. Always liked the Dix. He has a CB heart.

But anyway. 2 weeks to go and not so much as a peek about us getting another PG here. This thing is unraveling with an injured CB and a dinged AD. AJ is next.

Funny thing is, I still think if we just lined up CB, AJ, AB and Woodshaq we would be better then most teams.

We need to start this line up starting so they can get it going.

hands11 · Post #43 » by **hands11** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 2:50 am

clubbing_caveman wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

In retrospect, maybe so. At the time though, we were thinking he would be our #3 PG and he wanted to get playing time. If we had signed him, he probably would have been disgruntled for the first year. He has developed into a serviceable PG that we could now use. We do need a PG, but cant we pick one up on the cheap?

Developed into? He was always a pure PG that showed that he had the talent to get it done. He even quickly developed a sweet 3 he didn't have in college. He could get red hot with it. He just never played any regular minutes. More of EJs insightful line ups.

I still remember back in the day. It was when GA got hurt. I think it was his back. He was about for a little while and Dixon can in and was running the offense like a real PG would. He was hot. The team was winning. Then GA got healthy enough to play. He started. Shot 25 times a night at about 25% and Blake got several zero min games.

Blake would have probably left for a pay cut the way EJ used him. Actually, he may have. He didn't get more then we could have easily paid him. It wasn't like Hughes

Anyway, tough career for the kid. He has moved around so much. Who knows what he could have been by now.

bulletproof_32 · Post #44 » by **bulletproof_32** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:57 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:We need another pg bad. We should have never let Steve Blake go!

Thing is though, I don't think we "let him go".

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we actually offered him more (or comparable) cash than Portland. I believe he wanted to go elsewhere for more PT, since he would've only gotten 8-10 MPG behind GA if he stayed put.

Although not a Terps fan (and never understood the unconditional fan support in DC for former MD players), I really liked Blake as a backup PG for the Wiz.

Dat2U · Post #45 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:30 pm

Two words on why Steve Blake wanted to leave: Chucky Atkins.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #46 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:01 pm

I'm not a terps fans either but Blake was a smart player and a good fit for us.

Post #47 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 7:22 pm

Antonio Daniels inability to be a starter next to Gil is what led to the departure of both Blake and Atkins. Grunfeld could have kept Blake as Gil's backup for less but with Hughes departure the team needed a guy big enough to play next to Gil in the starting lineup. Unfortunately AD didn't work out in that role and moved to being Gil's backup, which then made Atkins want out because of lack of time.

WashWiz54 · Post #48 » by **WashWiz54** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:44 pm

I wish we could find a way to score Delonte West. Last year in Boston he was a real treat to watch and he played balls out every night. He can play hard-nose defense and can bang the three which are two things we are weak at. He should come cheap too since PJ seemed to have removed him from his rotation for Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour.

I remember reading an article saying that he doesn't even get in the rotation during practice.

Post #49 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:23 pm

WashWiz54 wrote:I wish we could find a way to score Delonte West. Last year in Boston he was a real treat to watch and he played balls out every night. He can play hard-nose defense and can bang the three which are two things we are weak at. He should come cheap too since PJ seemed to have removed him from his rotation for Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour.

I remember reading an article saying that he doesn't even get in the rotation during practice.

They still need a C, right? Maybe Etan and the MEM pick for Watson and West? Then follow up with Songaila and Nick Young for Tim Thomas.

Haywood/Blatche
Jamison/Pecherov
Caron/Thomas
Stevenson/West/Mason
Daniels/Watson

It'll be a crowded backcourt once Gil gets back and we would be thin up front. Maybe we include McGuire and then sign a big? I'd say include Mason but he'd have to agree to the trade because of the type of contract he signed.

mhd · Post #50 » by **mhd** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:35 pm

West is a Combo guard, just like Mason. His onyl value is his expiring contract, something Seattle doesn't want to loose.

doclinkin · Post #51 » by **doclinkin** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 11:42 pm

mhd wrote:West is a Combo guard, just like Mason. His onyl value is his expiring contract, something Seattle doesn't want to loose.

No his value is as a cheap replacement for RMjr if the Wiz don't decide to re-sign him. And what's more he's a better passing version of RMjr, with like a 5.5 assist per 36min rating.

He's actually a nice fit-- aside from current chemistry and getting up to speed in the offense he's better in most respects than Mason. Better handle, runs the uptempo, equivalent defense, more steals, fewer fouls, more FT's per 36 minutes. His jumper is pretty nice and would likely only improve under Hopla. (DWest was like 37% from three last year, 38% before that. Mason's best is this year at 36%) .

He's the right kind of combo guard for the system, as a back-up.

I'm fine with 'junior' chemistry wise, if we have a healthy roster and he doesn't have to carry the load, but DWest is one of those underappreciated guys who will dust off his game and become a contributor for the right team. A nice derringer in the sleeve for the right kind of team. Redhed can play.

Post #52 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 12:04 am

Good call - letting Mason go via free agency and using the MLE on West. Or trading them now - and throwing in a 2nd rounder.

doclinkin · Post #53 » by **doclinkin** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 12:16 am

MLE nothing, you might could get him for half the MLE. Or less. I don't see Mason getting the full MLE from anyone. And if he comes cheap-ish the team would probably pay to retain him, so as not to re-train his replacement.

Post #54 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 12:20 am

I really do think EG is working the phones. No action doesn't always mean he isn't doing anything. Dude probably works the phones every day just to get a feel on what might happen around the league.

Very similar to what Kerr did. Kerr made the Shaq trade because a) the Lakers made a big move earlier in the week and b) he wanted to get Shaq before Dallas did.

RickRoll_inDC · Post #55 » by **RickRoll_inDC** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 12:33 am

i'm not at all optimistic, but i kind of hope that he pulls the trigger on something just as long as Butler and Gil stay here.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #56 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 1:27 am

Anything that gets Darius out of here. Some team out there has to be dumb enough to want his slow fatass on the court.

Post #57 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 5:55 pm

I'd even be in favor of trading for better players but with worse contracts. That would help our production right now and they'd be easier to trade later.

Etan and Songaila for Troy Murphy? It's a risk but at this point I'd do anything.

fugop · Post #58 » by **fugop** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:30 pm

WashWiz54 wrote:I wish we could find a way to score Delonte West. Last year in Boston he was a real treat to watch and he played balls out every night. He can play hard-nose defense and can bang the three which are two things we are weak at. He should come cheap too since PJ seemed to have removed him from his rotation for Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour.

I remember reading an article saying that he doesn't even get in the rotation during practice.

I second this. I'd love to have Delonte as our third guard, maybe even over Daniels when Gilbert is back.

omegatronic3 · Post #59 » by **omegatronic3** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 8:20 pm

why did every GM other than Mithch Kupcheck sleep on the Gasol trade. I'm sure we could have put together enough expiring contracts to make that deal.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #60 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 8:20 pm

WashWiz54 wrote:I wish we could find a way to score Delonte West. Last year in Boston he was a real treat to watch and he played balls out every night. He can play hard-nose defense and can bang the three which are two things we are weak at. He should come cheap too since PJ seemed to have removed him from his rotation for Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour.

I remember reading an article saying that he doesn't even get in the rotation during practice.

Very good call, WashWiz54.

Roger seems to have hit the wall, and the idea is he's earned a contract somewhere. It wouldn't be cruel to trade him.

Delonte West is a fine player.

When Boston acquired Ray Allen, I knew it made sense for them because ultimately his acquisition convinced Garnett Boston wanted to move up so KG agreed to go there. Yet, in the immediate aftermath my thoughts were Allen is on the downside and I bet he's not better overall player at this point than Delonte West. For Boston Delonte was a very effective shooter. I think his total game with passing and defense and youth made him just as valuable.

(On a side note, Leon Powe is similarly a very valuable player for Boston now. He showed this kind of potential even last year.)

Washington could really do well to trade for Delonte.