The RealGM Wizards Board Draft Thread 2008/2009

mhd · Post #41 » by **mhd** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:02 pm

CCJ, I actually have Earl Clark as my second favorite draft pick behin Griffin. That guy oozes talent. I'm also high on Derozen, but I wonder if he can play SF, or is he strcitly a 2g.

fugop · Post #42 » by **fugop** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:50 pm

Earl Clark is a PF, not a SF. He played PF/C exclusively for the Cards last year, spent considerable time at C, both when Padgett was injured and when he wasn't on the court (especially with Caracter's troubles). He came to Louisville as a 6'7-6'8 G/F, but he's grown a couple of inches and has spent the last two years transitioning to post-play. He's 6-9 at least now, and he's incredibly long limbed. His game is probably most analogous to Bosh's.

Post #43 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:59 pm

fugop wrote:Earl Clark is a PF, not a SF. He played PF/C exclusively for the Cards last year, spent considerable time at C, both when Padgett was injured and when he wasn't on the court (especially with Caracter's troubles). He came to Louisville as a 6'7-6'8 G/F, but he's grown a couple of inches and has spent the last two years transitioning to post-play. He's 6-9 at least now, and he's incredibly long limbed. His game is probably most analogous to Bosh's.

I like the other Louisville freak athlete - Terrence Williams. He's like an out of control Iguodola. If he could settle down, get healthy, and develop 3 point range, the sky is the limit for him. And he's probably stronger than Clark is - even though he probably projects to guard.

mhd · Post #44 » by **mhd** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:00 pm

I actually think Clark projects as a SF precisely because he used to be a guard. He's Deng with more quickness and explosion.

fugop · Post #45 » by **fugop** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:07 pm

He's not Deng. He's got great lateral quickness and length for a PF, but he can't adequately cover a top perimeter player, even at the college level (and isn't asked too). His background has left him a solid offensive skill-set, a decent handle and shot, but his body is just different. A few inches and a lot of muscle isn't a bad thing...

Terrance Williams is a very solid G/F, a freak athlete like Iguodala. This is his make-or-break year on shot-selection. If he gets it under control, he'll also be a mid-lottery pick.

I watched about 80% of Louisville's games last year, and plan on watching as many as I can this year. I'm an alum from the Clifford Rozier/Samaki Walker years.

mhd · Post #46 » by **mhd** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:23 pm

Thanks for the info. I still really like Clark, and feel that if we are unable to land Griffin, he's the nest best fit.

spaceman_E · Post #47 » by **spaceman_E** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:46 pm

*coughs*
Griffins stat line for today...
14-20 1-1 3pt 6-12FT 35pts 21reb 5ast 3stl 3to 1blk

Dude is exactly the type of monster we need. He has the freakish size/athleticism/strength AND dominant production. After 4 games, he's had at least 20points and 18 rebounds in EVERY SINGLE ONE! That's amazing.

spaceman_E · Post #48 » by **spaceman_E** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:05 am

My favorites depending on where we end up drafting...
#1-2 Griffin Griffin and more Griffin.
5-7 Clark, James Harden(ASU)
10-12 Patterson(KY), Curry, Budinger(AZ)
Anywhere after that/2nd round General Greivis, Darren Collison(UCLA), Jordan Hill(AZ), Hansbrough

I see our needs as... Young PG, SF with length, PF who can dominate boards.

Post #49 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:08 pm

spaceman_E wrote:*coughs*
Griffins stat line for today...
14-20 1-1 3pt 6-12FT 35pts 21reb 5ast 3stl 3to 1blk

Dude is exactly the type of monster we need. He has the freakish size/athleticism/strength AND dominant production. After 4 games, he's had at least 20points and 18 rebounds in EVERY SINGLE ONE! That's amazing.

6'10 250, and now he's getting steals and assists. 2.04 points per shot attempt... omg is the operative term.

Post #50 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:16 pm

doclinkin wrote:Another note on Stef Curry: kid spent his summer at camps hosted by Chris Paul and Steve Nash, teaching for a week at each camp and picking their brains.

Then comes to Davidson as the starting point guard after his PG graduated, and drops 10 dimes the first game (to go with _9_ steals and a block, only 29 pts) nine dimes the next (4 steals, 33 pts on 14-19 shooting) before his 44 pt outing vs Griffin the next night. It's axiomatic but guards from small schools who can both score efficiently and drop dimes have the markers of being good players in the NBA. Especially if they do play well when matched against top competition. It's hella easier to rack assists at big time schools with big time players, if you can collect assists on a small school you show true ball IQ. And no question it'll look even better next to real NBA finishers. Rodney Stuckey's another example.

Point being, I think the kid will prove to be one of the better PGs in the draft, the game just plays slow for him, he may not look as athletic as he is because he's economical, no wasted motion, but he has the game recognition of guys like JKidd or Chris Paul, he sees the game before it's played. That plays well on offense, defense, etc. He may not be a big time rebounder at his height, but game 'smarts' he's got in spades. It's an underrated quality but one this team desperately needs.

Point being :lol:

He's amazing. After 5 games - granted the competition hasn't been great - he's averaging 35 points, 7.8 assists (!), and 3.6 steals (!). Did I actually call him 1-dimensional earlier in this thread? :oops:

Oh, btw, he's shooting over 53% from the field and over 90% from the line. Back to competition, he had his best scoring game against Kentucky, and he showed in the NCAA tournament last season that he can play against the best in college b-ball.

doclinkin · Post #51 » by **doclinkin** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:53 pm

Yeh it's pretty nuts.

13 assists against Winthrop. He even blocks a shot every few games. He's steadily been in the top scorers every year of his NCAA career, but his improvement inevery other area shows the same steady improvement you want. The assts thing though was hinted at but damn... he's more than made the case for himself as a PG. Plus he keeps his efficiency despite heavy usage-- one third of all team possessions are through his hands. 3rd in the NCAAs in usage rate.

Love the kid. It's just a rare thing he's got. Big time Game.

pancakes3 · Post #52 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:36 pm

I'm also pretty high on Curry but not just for his ability to score, but for his ability to score from range. His 3 point shot is lights out. You can talk about interior size and post scoring all you want, but what we absolutely do not have on this team is a legitimate 3 point threat. From 1-4, everybody can shoot, but nobody can shoot well. Curry is a fantastic scorer but I would pass on him if he shot .350-.400 from 3-land like dixon did but he's nailing the college three at 43% and taking a lot of them. DS shoots close to .400 but those are ALL wide open threes and not contested shots like Curry's taking, so i don't trust his numbers very much. Plus DS has a propensity to shot fake and stop his shot halfway through before shooting, which i find paintful to watch.

The other prospects:
Hansborough: Glorified Songaila
Blake Griffin: Carlos Boozer without the jumper
Ricky Rubio: Taller Jose Calderon
Chase Budinger: Athletic Kyle Korver
Vasquez: Does not belong on this list

keep an eye on budinger's game. i really like his size, athleticism, and 3 point shooting. I wouldn't be heartbroken if he played 2-guard for us instead of curry.

Post #53 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:10 pm

pancakes3 wrote:I'm also pretty high on Curry but not just for his ability to score, but for his ability to score from range. His 3 point shot is lights out. You can talk about interior size and post scoring all you want, but what we absolutely do not have on this team is a legitimate 3 point threat. From 1-4, everybody can shoot, but nobody can shoot well. Curry is a fantastic scorer but I would pass on him if he shot .350-.400 from 3-land like dixon did but he's nailing the college three at 43% and taking a lot of them. DS shoots close to .400 but those are ALL wide open threes and not contested shots like Curry's taking, so i don't trust his numbers very much. Plus DS has a propensity to shot fake and stop his shot halfway through before shooting, which i find paintful to watch.

The other prospects:
Hansborough: Glorified Songaila
Blake Griffin: Carlos Boozer without the jumper
Ricky Rubio: Taller Jose Calderon
Chase Budinger: Athletic Kyle Korver
Vasquez: Does not belong on this list

keep an eye on budinger's game. i really like his size, athleticism, and 3 point shooting. I wouldn't be heartbroken if he played 2-guard for us instead of curry.

You know who I'd compare Budinger to? Rip Hamilton. He moves that well without the ball. And he's got the lanky size and mid-range game. People also questioned Rip's athleticism when he came into the NBA. I also agree with you on Vasquez. He doesn't fit the NBA at either the point or the 2.

But going back to Wake Forest - They may be the most talented team in the nation. Aminu and James Johnson at the forwards is nothing short of wow... especially when they have 3 7 footers to go with them who can all play. Those 2 forwards together by the end of the season should be second only to Louisville's - Clark and Williams. But the key to their success will be Jeff Teague - if he can be more of a PG than a scorer. Teague is a legit big-time PG prospect imo that I haven't heard anyone talk about - because nobody pays attention to Wake. They're going to wake people up soon.

mhd · Post #54 » by **mhd** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:13 pm

I've always had a soft spot for Buddinger. Excellent comparison to Hamilton, Ruzious. Chase would be an excellent bench player for the Wizards. That's why I think attaining a mid 1st rounder this year in a Jamison trade/AD+Etan expiring trades is a deal we should look at.

Ji · Post #55 » by Ji » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:47 am

anyone see his numbers lately

against #10 Purdue today, he scores 18 and grabs 21 boards to lead oklahoma over #10 Purdue. In the game the other night, he scored 32-15 against UAB

He is 6-10 250 and he is averaging about 27 pts and 19 reb a game LOL. Thats unheard of

Next game is 12/4 vs USC

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD94O85EO0

Benjammin · Post #56 » by **Benjammin** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:00 am

IBTM to the draft thread. I bet he interprets the GFS and Euro better than you as well, Ji ;-)

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JWizmentality · Post #57 » by **JWizmentality** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:27 am

Well, we know who on this board is gonna be super pizzed if the Wiz start winning.

BruceO · Post #58 » by **BruceO** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:24 am

I want him too. He's tank worthy. We need another impact player. His Strength and ability to rebound is crazy. He's too me in the Amare/ Boozer/ Dwight mold. We need that low post threat. We were getting abused the other day by Dwight.

Post #59 » by **miller31time** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:38 am

Bump, in order to merge.

Halcyon · Post #60 » by **Halcyon** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:16 am

Griffin's handles are really good for a player his size, and he's improving his post moves. His ferocity and tenacity reminds me of Amare, and I'm sure he could make that kind of impact (at least in Amare's rookie year) I'm sure he could add a jumper, he's show a nice lookin stroke already.

I'd take him in a heartbeat.