General (Non-Wiz) Draft Discussion

fishercob · Post #41 » by **fishercob** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:14 pm

It's hard to even tell which is his dominant hand, he's so skilled with the ball.

Pollinator · Post #42 » by **Pollinator** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:24 pm

FWIW, Aran Smith posted on the message board at nbadraft.net that the Wall rumor is bogus and that his sources say the kid is definitely going to school.

Also FWIW, nbadraft.net seems to be among the minority that thinks that Greg Monroe is still likely to declare.

Dat2U · Post #43 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:23 pm

nate33 wrote:Just watched some youtube video of John Wall. That guy is gonna be real good - it's just going to take a while. If we drafted him and ended up keeping him, I wouldn't be upset at all.

Yeah, I actually checked out his footage a few weeks back when someone mentioned his name on here for the 2010 draft. Dude is a complete blur with the ball in his hands. He's Jason Kidd at Cal-Berkley fast. He can get to any spot he wants to on the floor. His shot is apparently a work in progress. In my opinion Wall is a better prospect than Derrick Rose. He also plays with a bit of flair and showmanship.

I'd say he's a lock at being a top 3 pick if he can come out. If NBA allows him, he'd definitely go to the NBA. He was a one and done kid anyways.

Not sure who I'd rate higher though, Rubio or Wall. Wall is an elite athlete, but Rubio has an elite skillset. Rubio could come in on day one and run the pick & roll to perfection. Wall has great court vision and makes fantastic passes but is a bit rough around the edges and needs some seasoning.

It would be great news for the Wizards if Wall is declared eligible for the NBA draft. As a prospect he blows other prospects like Thabeet, Hill & Harden out of the water.

yungal07 · Post #44 » by **yungal07** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:29 pm

Pollinator wrote:FWIW, Aran Smith posted on the message board at nbadraft.net that the Wall rumor is bogus and that his sources say the kid is definitely going to school.

Also FWIW, nbadraft.net seems to be among the minority that thinks that Greg Monroe is still likely to declare.

Smith thinks he's some sort of insider but he's not. He's been saying the exact same junk about Rubio but it looks like Rubio will be declaring.

pancakes3 · Post #45 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:30 am

can we deal our pick before the lottery? if so, and if we were going to make a trade, we should.

dnk · Post #46 » by **dnk** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:59 am

pancakes3 wrote:can we deal our pick before the lottery? if so, and if we were going to make a trade, we should.

In no way do I (or I assume, many others) think that is a good idea. You have to hold onto the hope that we get the number one overall. In which case we can draft Griffin. Or even trade that for a BUNCH of assets. But probably draft Griffin.

Yaroslavs1Fan · Post #47 » by **Yaroslavs1Fan** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:03 am

If the Wiz got the #2 pick, who would they most likely take?

Thabeet - elite defense
Rubio - u already have arenas
Hill - offense + D
Harden - u have young, maybe tho.

i would guess thabeet. Is that right?

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #48 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:12 am

John Hall will be our number 2 pick if he comes out. He will be the best player out of this draft. I hoping he is allowed to be in this draft and if we dont get the number 1 pick we get the number 2.

dnk · Post #49 » by **dnk** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:20 am

I'd think Rubio, trade down or out, or Wall, if he comes out. If we got the #2, I'd hope for a great trade to fall into our laps in such a weak draft.

Almost definitely not Thabeet. We already have a few project bigs, and a pretty damn good post defender in Haywood.

Dat2U · Post #50 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:25 am

Yaroslavs1Fan wrote:If the Wiz got the #2 pick, who would they most likely take?

Thabeet - elite defense
Rubio - u already have arenas
Hill - offense + D
Harden - u have young, maybe tho.

i would guess thabeet. Is that right?

I doubt its Thabeet in any scenario unless we trade his rights. We just drafted McGee last year and we like his upside which is arguably higher than Thabeet's.

I'd bet the farm its Rubio. Grunfeld has been over to Europe and scouted him thoroughly. Supposedly the front office likes him alot. I suspect management thinks Rubio & Arenas can play in the backcourt together much like Antonio Daniels did with Gil. I would tend to agree with that assessment.

I don't think Hill or Harden are worthy of being a #2 selection. I doubt either gets much consideration at that spot as we get closer to the draft.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #51 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:35 am

Dat2U wrote:
Yaroslavs1Fan wrote:If the Wiz got the #2 pick, who would they most likely take?

Thabeet - elite defense
Rubio - u already have arenas
Hill - offense + D
Harden - u have young, maybe tho.

i would guess thabeet. Is that right?

I doubt its Thabeet in any scenario unless we trade his rights. We just drafted McGee last year and we like his upside which is arguably higher than Thabeet's.

I'd bet the farm its Rubio. Grunfeld has been over to Europe and scouted him thoroughly. Supposedly the front office likes him alot. I suspect management thinks Rubio & Arenas can play in the backcourt together much like Antonio Daniels did with Gil. I would tend to agree with that assessment.

I don't think Hill or Harden are worthy of being a #2 selection. I doubt either gets much consideration at that spot as we get closer to the draft.

Do you think its wise for us to take Rubio over Hall if both are in the draft?

John Hall looks like a bigger Chris Paul. I wouldn't want to pass on that. Pun intended.

Ed Wood · Post #52 » by **Ed Wood** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:38 am

I'd think the only real challenge to Rubio at two would be Wall if he were to manage to make himself eligible for the 2009 draft. From what I hear he'd have to somehow avoid graduating from prep school this year so as to be able to make the case that he was a member of the class of 2008 as opposed to the class of 2009 (this sounds silly if not suspect to me) in order to do so. Thabeet is unlikely to be as attractive a trade commodity as Rubio even if we were to choose that route.

And are you really Yaroslav Korolev's number one fan? Is there a number two somewhere out there?

Dat2U · Post #53 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:34 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:[

Do you think its wise for us to take Rubio over Hall if both are in the draft?

John Hall looks like a bigger Chris Paul. I wouldn't want to pass on that. Pun intended.

Has John Hall ever recovered from that strained groin he had with the Redskins? Isn't he kinda injury prone?

Seriously, I doubt John Wall will be in the draft this year. It honestly sounds like a long shot. It would be great if he is though.

Wall is certainly an explosive athlete. The difference b/w him and Rubio is that Rubio has played against a higher level of competition, against grown men. I know some have knocked the guys he's playing against but the Spanish ACB league offers a higher level of competition than college basketball.

Rubio has a mature game. People say he's already like a coach on the floor. He can step in right away and contribute.

Wall has dominated high schoolers so there's a bigger adjustment for him to make. He's got incredible vision much like Rubio but he's more of a ball dominator than a PG at this point.

It's tough. I don't quite see Chris Paul b/c Paul has all the intangibles that make him a great floor general. Rubio has all the intangibles as well. Wall has all the measurables. I think he's closer to Derrick Rose than Chris Paul but that's still not bad.

Truth is, I'm not sure yet who'd I choose. If Wall does come out he's right on that 2nd tier with Rubio behind Griffin. It's sorta like 2a & 2b. I need to read up more on Wall and see more footage.

hands11 · Post #54 » by **hands11** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:36 am

dnk wrote:I'd think Rubio, trade down or out, or Wall, if he comes out. If we got the #2, I'd hope for a great trade to fall into our laps in such a weak draft.

Almost definitely not Thabeet. We already have a few project bigs, and a pretty damn good post defender in Haywood.

Actually, ESPN draft sim has us talking Thabeet if we get 3rd or 4th. I wasn't that impressed with him and couldn't really see how he was 7-3 but a young back up defensive center to mold wouldn't suck for us.

I had no idea Hall might come out. If he does, hell, I'd take that freak with the #1 so defiantly at #2

As an aside, Curry has moved up to #10 on some boards. I think that kid is going to be a player.

Short term, we don't really need anyone at any position unless they are a freak. I view players like Rubio and Hall as a little less risky because they won't be outsized or out quicked at their positions.

Blake is a little more risky. He could end up being really good but his size isn't going to dominate as much in the NBA, specially if he is only 6-8. Plus we have to see what kind of defense he can bring. Again, I think he will be solid but I think it's going to take him a few years to get it going.

If this makes sense, I think he is a better #1 for some teams then others.

closg00 · Post #55 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:56 am

Isn't it confirmed that Hall is not coming out? I just hope Thabeet isn't #3 on Ernie's draft board. I've see several mocks having us take Hill.

If we can't get Grif or Rubio, I hope we draft for another team to shed someone from the roster.

closg00 · Post #56 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:41 am

A week old, but I did get a few things out of Dave Thorpe's chat. A lot of questions on Curry.

Kyle (maryland): What is it about rubio that u like? i havent seen a flaw but maybe his long range shooting ability

David Thorpe: He's special in many ways, and will get so much better. Heck, he was named the top defensive player in Spain!

Tom (Philly): Stephen Curry is my idol. I model all my game after him and people keep telling me that he will not be a successful NBA player. What do you think his role will be at the next level?

David Thorpe: He's a starting pg for a very good team.

Trey (SLC): I realize the two are completely different, but I wonder why you feel more strongly about Curry's NBA career than you do someone like Ellington. Neither are great athletes, will face much quicker players at their positions, and are on the smallish end in the NBA. So why is Curry a starting PG on a very good team and Ellington an average player?

David Thorpe: Curry is quicker with the ball, and is better for his spot at pg than Wayne is.

Benjammin · Post #57 » by **Benjammin** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:28 pm

Guys, seriously, his name is John W-A-L-L, not HALL. I realize he hasn't been on the radar screen for very long for this draft, but let's look like we have a clue.

closg00 · Post #58 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:49 pm

Benjammin wrote:Guys, seriously, his name is John W-A-L-L, not HALL. I realize he hasn't been on the radar screen for very long for this draft, but let's look like we have a clue.

*Steve Martin voice*
Well EXCUUUUUUUUSE ....ME!!!!!

Noted

Ji · Post #59 » by Ji » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:53 pm

I would love to trade down and get Curry if he comes out but only if we dont get #1 or #2. Btw..if Sac gets #1, i think they will pick Rubio

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #60 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:31 pm

Yaroslavs1Fan wrote:If the Wiz got the #2 pick, who would they most likely take?

Thabeet - elite defense
Rubio - u already have arenas
Hill - offense + D
Harden - u have young, maybe tho.

i would guess thabeet. Is that right?

Are you from Yaroslavl? I went there in '93.