Nene

hands11 · Post #401 » by **hands11** » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:48 pm

I would like to hear more about this new program they have him on.

Nene is build like a football player right now. He needs to get in better shape and drop his body fat. At least it looks that way. He could be leaner and as such, he would be even a bigger beast. A basketball beast.

They need to also work on flexibility, etc.

I had heard he wasn't the best when it comes to training. Maybe a change in program could help him get over the hump where he is leaner, a little lighter and more flexible. And all that will lead to better health.

Hypnotizer · Post #402 » by **Hypnotizer** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:40 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZacharyLeonsis/status/417117274232090624[/tweet]

hands11 · Post #403 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:51 am

Nene WOW

Healthy, he is one of the best PF in the league as a P/PF

9 assists

milellie111 · Post #404 » by **milellie111** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:58 am

hands11 wrote:Nene WOW

Healthy, he is one of the best PF in the league as a P/PF

9 assists

Quoted for truth

hands11 · Post #405 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:12 am

Nene dunks on Lebron.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... bron-11514

Facial.

And this the game before on Noah.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/2FEF9C ... Yf0GZDnCKl

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #406 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:35 am

hands11 wrote:Nene WOW

Healthy, he is one of the best PF in the league as a P/PF

9 assists

You are so right, he might be the best passing big man in the NBA today.

dobrojim · Post #407 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:48 am

9 assists. Get outta town with that.

Hypnotizer · Post #408 » by **Hypnotizer** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:13 am

Nene blocks LBJ

hands11 · Post #409 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:28 am

All I gotta say about Nene is

:clap:

stevemcqueen1 · Post #410 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:47 pm

That was one of my favorite Nene games. He got jobbed on some calls too, surprised he didn't get in a funk. A couple bad no calls when he took it inside and a pair of iffy foul calls that made him sub out in the second.

His size and his IQ are special. He's easily one of the smartest basketball players we've ever had.

Nivek · Post #411 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:56 pm

Hypnotizer wrote:Nene blocks LBJ

Nene fouled him with the body, but I'm not complaining about the non-call.

Post #412 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:56 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:That was one of my favorite Nene games. He got jobbed on some calls too, surprised he didn't get in a funk. A couple bad no calls when he took it inside and a pair of iffy foul calls that made him sub out in the second.

His size and his IQ are special. He's easily one of the smartest basketball players we've ever had.

I think all of us who have watched most of the games this season have seen - painfully - Nene not getting calls all season long so far. It's been almost to the point of absurdity. Maybe its a good thing sometimes, considering how he's been missing FT's. I wonder if a high profile win like this makes a difference in him getting calls going forward. Officials don't consciously do it, but there are clearly biases involved in officiating, and winners get calls. If he starts getting 10 foul shots a game, we'll know the answer.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #413 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:24 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:That was one of my favorite Nene games. He got jobbed on some calls too, surprised he didn't get in a funk. A couple bad no calls when he took it inside and a pair of iffy foul calls that made him sub out in the second.

His size and his IQ are special. He's easily one of the smartest basketball players we've ever had.

I think all of us who have watched most of the games this season have seen - painfully - Nene not getting calls all season long so far. It's been almost to the point of absurdity. Maybe its a good thing sometimes, considering how he's been missing FT's. I wonder if a high profile win like this makes a difference in him getting calls going forward. Officials don't consciously do it, but there are clearly biases involved in officiating, and winners get calls. If he starts getting 10 foul shots a game, we'll know the answer.

Officials will call contact on jumpers but, except for a very small and select few, I think officials punish players for trying to take the ball inside. Plus, except for Dwight Howard, officials give the really powerful bigs the shaft because I think they subconsciously try and correct for their size and strength advantage. Nene just isn't one of the players that refs give the benefit of the doubt. Which puts him in the norm for most players around the league. But the difference is that, in our system, Nene gets a ton of ISOs in the post and he draws a lot more contact than usual.

Kanyewest · Post #414 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:30 pm

Nivek wrote:
Hypnotizer wrote:Nene blocks LBJ

Nene fouled him with the body, but I'm not complaining about the non-call.

I think LeBron flopped.

payitforward · Post #415 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:45 pm

hands11 wrote:Nene WOW

Healthy, he is one of the best PF in the league as a P/PF

9 assists

Nene or the bobblehead?

Great guy, Nene, and once upon a time a tremendous player too. You are certainly right that for a 4-5 to get 9 assists in 34 minutes is terrific. And he also had 2 steals and 3 blocks.

So... those are the cherry-picked numbers. The cherry-bomb numbers are that in 34 minutes he had exactly 4 rebounds and went 6-15.

Overall, he had an Ok game, nothing special, and *certainly* not demonstrating that "he is one of the best PF in the league."

Post #416 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:57 pm

payitforward wrote:
hands11 wrote:Nene WOW

Healthy, he is one of the best PF in the league as a P/PF

9 assists

Nene or the bobblehead?

Great guy, Nene, and once upon a time a tremendous player too. You are certainly right that for a 4-5 to get 9 assists in 34 minutes is terrific. And he also had 2 steals and 3 blocks.

So... those are the cherry-picked numbers. The cherry-bomb numbers are that in 34 minutes he had exactly 4 rebounds and went 6-15.

Overall, he had an Ok game, nothing special, and *certainly* not demonstrating that "he is one of the best PF in the league."

PIF, look in the mirror. You'll see the cotton-pickin' cherry-picker. :wink:

Nene scored 19 points, had 4 boards, 9 assists to 1 turnover, 2 steals, and 3 blocks and all you can say is - meh, he shot 6 of 15 with 4 rebounds.

Did the team need him to grab a lot of boards - considering they out-rebounded the Heat? ...and considering he had the highest +/- on the team - which seems to happen a lot.

Must be a coincidence.

fishercob · Post #417 » by **fishercob** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:08 pm

I agree that Nene had a great game and hope he has many more.

That said, when I look at the data in aggregate, I see a markedly less productive player than the one who signed the extension in Denver. I had held out hope that Nene was going to lose weight, get healthy, and boost his production. But the sad truth is he's just not THAT good anymore.

Post #418 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:37 pm

fishercob wrote:I agree that Nene had a great game and hope he has many more.

That said, when I look at the data in aggregate, I see a markedly less productive player than the one who signed the extension in Denver. I had held out hope that Nene was going to lose weight, get healthy, and boost his production. But the sad truth is he's just not THAT good anymore.

Well, all I can tell you is - he makes the team dramatically better because he does what the team needs. And making the team better is the most important characteristic of a good player.

tontoz · Post #419 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:28 pm

Nene certainly helps the team when he plays but he is clearly on the decline. His TS and rebounding are at career lows. Among 4s he is 55th in rebounding rate and 41st in TS.

He has definitely been struggling to put the ball in the basket lately, from the field and from the foul line.

dckingsfan · Post #420 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:53 am

His AST% is the highest in his career...

He has only had a DRB% is over 20 - he has only done that 4 times in his career.

But yes, the shooting and getting to the line isn't like in previous seasons.