Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0

pancakes3 · Post #401 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:51 am

I was racking my brain for a pg that was superbly talented and widely regarded as a darn good basketball player that never made all-star teams, and was never a player that you'd think "yeah, they'd win a championship with him at the helm".... and came up with Baron Davis. If only...

willbcocks · Post #402 » by **willbcocks** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:06 am

Dat2U wrote:
dobrojim wrote:as per wiretap, Wall quoted as saying he 'definitely' deserves a max deal.

Hate to see him go but as of right now, and this could change, I don't see him as
a max player.

Actually, this is what might get Wall moved this summer. The last time a Wizards player talked about salary expectations once his rookie contract expires, he got shipped to Denver.

And I'm glad McGee did go to Denver. Putting aside the debate of whether or not we should have traded for Nene (I've always been slightly against), does anyone regret not signing McGee?

Post #403 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:44 pm

Knighthonor wrote:if the Cavs take Wall, they can really be a beast.
maybe Wizards get a lotto pick from 2014 out of it.

Because no way will they extend him, and no way would Wall want to stay on a tanking team and not get max deal. other teams will come.

Do people here forget fast what happen to the Larry Huges situation? players want out of DC...

I'm amazed at the spin people put on things. Larry Hughes didn't "want out of DC". He was offered a ridiculous contract by Cleveland and the Wizards wisely declined to match. That was actually a instance where EG was being a good GM. I don't understand the criticism.

Also, Wall has no real choice in the matter. If the Wizards match a competing contract offer, Wall will be forced to stay in DC.

This isn't rocket science people. We won't offer an extension. Wall will be forced to earn it next year. If he doesn't improve at all, chances are nobody will offer max money and he will be resigned for less. If he plays a little better, someone will probably offer a max contract and we will have a tough decision on whether to match it. If he plays much better, we will gladly offer a max contract (but probably for only 4 years).

DCZards · Post #404 » by **DCZards** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
I'm amazed at the spin people put on things. Larry Hughes didn't "want out of DC". He was offered a ridiculous contract by Cleveland and the Wizards wisely declined to match. That was actually a instance where EG was being a good GM. I don't understand the criticism.

Also, Wall has no real choice in the matter. If the Wizards match a competing contract offer, Wall will be forced to stay in DC.

This isn't rocket science people. We won't offer an extension. Wall will be forced to earn it next year. If he doesn't improve at all, chances are nobody will offer max money and he will be resigned for less. If he plays a little better, someone will probably offer a max contract and we will have a tough decision on whether to match it. If he plays much better, we will gladly offer a max contract (but probably for only 4 years).

Agree, nate, especially about Hughes. I think Larry would have preferred to have stayed in DC and continue the success he and Gil were having. But, as they say, "money talks." I also agree that no team is likely to offer John a max contract unless his play improves dramatically. However, there might be an argument for the Zards offering Wall an extension in the $10 mil range this summer. Not that he'd take it.

FAH1223 · Post #405 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:19 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm amazed at the spin people put on things. Larry Hughes didn't "want out of DC". He was offered a ridiculous contract by Cleveland and the Wizards wisely declined to match. That was actually a instance where EG was being a good GM. I don't understand the criticism.

Also, Wall has no real choice in the matter. If the Wizards match a competing contract offer, Wall will be forced to stay in DC.

This isn't rocket science people. We won't offer an extension. Wall will be forced to earn it next year. If he doesn't improve at all, chances are nobody will offer max money and he will be resigned for less. If he plays a little better, someone will probably offer a max contract and we will have a tough decision on whether to match it. If he plays much better, we will gladly offer a max contract (but probably for only 4 years).

Yep. I hope Wall understands Restricted Free Agency.

Eric Gordon sure as hell didn't understand it last summer.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #406 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:58 am

This is from an ESPN insider article, Wall was ranked as the 2nd most indispensable PG only behind Chris Paul. If anyone wants to see the rest of the list then I will post the rest.

1. Paul
2. Wall
3. Drose
4. Steph Curry
5. Russ Westbrook

NBA's most indispensable PGs
Boston hasn't fallen off minus Rajon Rondo; so which PGs can't get hurt?

2. John Wall | Washington Wizards

While Derrick Rose takes Chicago from good to elite, Wall has shown this season that he can take abysmal to playoff-level production. Since Jan. 12 (Wall's first game back), the Wizards have the second-best defensive efficiency in the league (96.8), and have gone from minus-7.3 point differential to plus-2.8 (11th in NBA in that span).

The Wizards' record with Wall has been a solid 15-13; without him, they were hurtling toward a worst-in-league record at 5-28. Wall's breathtaking athleticism, particularly in the open court, allows him to get into the paint repeatedly and wreak havoc by converting at the rim or finding teammates. But Wall's impact is greater felt on the defensive end, where his length and agility allow him to be a versatile defender on the perimeter. Going into a contract extension summer, Wall's agent will have a large amount of data to point to as evidence that his client is pivotal to success in Washington.

pancakes3 · Post #407 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:13 am

Someone should tell that insider that Wall is Beal's Robin, not the other way around.

Knighthonor · Post #408 » by **Knighthonor** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:14 am

what good is a pass first PG when nobody else on the floor is scoring?

this is the huge flaw in the Wizard's roster. Beal goes down, and boom, everything falls apart because nobody can score. Pass first PG usually fail without scorers, unless they themselves can score.

dangermouse · Post #409 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:42 am

pancakes3 wrote:Someone should tell that insider that Wall is Beal's Robin, not the other way around.

I prefer to think of them as The Green Hornet (Wall) and Kato (Beal).

The Green Hornet was the natural leader, but he is ineffective without his sidekick Kato, who is highly skilled at what he does and incredibly useful.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #410 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:22 am

Knighthonor wrote:what good is a pass first PG when nobody else on the floor is scoring?

this is the huge flaw in the Wizard's roster. Beal goes down, and boom, everything falls apart because nobody can score. Pass first PG usually fail without scorers, unless they themselves can score.

The Wizards weren't doing so well with Wall out either. Everyone's seeing the importance of both Wall and Beal to the team. Grunfeld's flaws have been exposed, now all one can do is wait and see what Leonsis does about it. Booker, Vesely, and Singleton, no fault of theirs, but three very young 1st round picks that not many would lose sleep over if they weren't on the roster in a few years because they just don't offer enough--- Grunfeld-esque acquisitions. Hopefully Wittman, Wall, Beal, somebody with knowledge of what's going on, is deeply involved in this year's draft process.

hands11 · Post #411 » by **hands11** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:20 am

Wall is All Star. Just like we all said he was :wink:

Gotta give him credit, that was a pretty impressive game. And only 2 turnovers.

dangermouse · Post #412 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:59 am

THE REAL WALL IS BACK!

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #413 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:36 am

Glad to see Wall playing with confidence. Dude looks like a superstar now. His jumper is improving.

dangermouse · Post #414 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:51 am

His form on that shot looks way better. His hand isnt all over the top of the ball, from what I can see there anyway.

But then in the 4th quarter he sank a jumper just a little bit closer from his go-to spot on the right elbow, I noticed in the replay it was same old John, hand all crazy on top of the ball.

He's getting more lift though which is good. Using his whole body in rhythm and not just flinging it with his arms. He's getting there.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #415 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:41 am

John Wall asserted himself verbally and he did what good leaders do in win against Milwaukee. He deserves credit for working on his shot. John apparently got the memo/text/IM and has stepped it up.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wall-helps ... --nba.html

''There was an instance tonight where I really saw a glimpse of greatness,'' Webster said.

Wall said he has practiced extra with assistant coach Sam Cassell.

''Just give credit to me working more harder with Sam on my jump shot,'' Wall said.

I am really happy for John Wall and want to see him continue on this path so he can prove me and his worst critics wrong. I love the way he asserted himself with his level of effort, good execution, and most of all for the fight and competitiveness he had tonight.

Post #416 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:49 pm

dangermouse wrote:

His form on that shot looks way better. His hand isnt all over the top of the ball, from what I can see there anyway.

But then in the 4th quarter he sank a jumper just a little bit closer from his go-to spot on the right elbow, I noticed in the replay it was same old John, hand all crazy on top of the ball.

Excellent observation.

Personally, I prefer to shoot going to my left because my right foot is naturally forward and it allows me to get better balance on my shot. When I go right I kinda have to jump and twist a little bit to turn my right side toward the basket. I wonder if Wall has a similar issue. When he goes right, he's got to do more body weight adjustment in the air so he instinctively grabs the front of the ball to hold it tighter as he twists in the air.

Nivek · Post #417 » by **Nivek** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:00 pm

The thing with that off hand is going to be an issue for awhile as Wall works on his shot. It's going to come and go because it's a long-ingrained habit he's trying to break. I'm encouraged to see the hand off the top of the ball at least sometimes for now. He's working on it and making some progress. That's good.

pancakes3 · Post #418 » by **pancakes3** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:02 pm

I don't think Wall is taking enough off-balance pull-up jumpers for that to be much of an issue. Most of his jumpers come in rhythm and/or wide open. His shooting problems are probably 50/50 a mental thing vs him just not practicing enough fundamental jumpers when he was younger (thus not having a consistent form on his jumpers).

tontoz · Post #419 » by **tontoz** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:08 pm

So far this month Wall is shooting 47% from the field and 86% from the foul line.

JAR69 · Post #420 » by **JAR69** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:38 pm

Nivek wrote:The thing with that off hand is going to be an issue for awhile as Wall works on his shot. It's going to come and go because it's a long-ingrained habit he's trying to break. I'm encouraged to see the hand off the top of the ball at least sometimes for now. He's working on it and making some progress. That's good.

Is he working on it? I have a hard time seeing where his off hand is on TV, and the photos I see show him still with his hand on top. I will be very happy if he really is working on fixing that. I recall someplace that he worked with Hopla last summer. Am I remembering that correctly?