Political Roundtable Part IX

[popper]

By the way, my apologies for my tone in this thread. Like popper, sometimes I get too emotional about this stuff.

There's no question I'm angry about the direction of the country. So I suppose anger is an emotional response to events therefore I must plead guilty.

[nate33]

Obama has also been deporter-in-chief. Most ever for any POTUS admin.

I debunked this myth a few weeks ago in this thread:

This is a deliberate deception by the Democrats and media by using semantics. Bush didn't "deport" as may illegals because he stopped them at the border and immediately "returned" them without officially arresting them and entering them into the system. Obama massively curtailed the number of "returned" immigrants and slightly increased the number of actual "removed" (or "deported") immigrants. In reality, Bush physically removed a lot more illegal immigrants than Obama.

How is it possible that the two sides could look at the same data and see such different things? The key is how you define the term “deport”—and what you think about a broad change in policy that started during the Bush administration and has continued under Obama.

Under Bush, the majority of immigrants that the U.S. sent home were simply “returned.” Nobody took their fingerprints or put a permanent mark on their immigration records. Instead, U.S. authorities put them on buses and sent them back across the border. Between 2001 and 2008, there were over 8.3 million of these informal “returns,” according to the Department of Homeland Security. There were, by contrast, just 2 million “removals.” Those are the more formal deportations—the ones that go through some form of individual review, with an officer if not a judge, and become part of deportees’ permanent records.

But in the second half of the Bush administration, DHS decided to up the number of “removals” and limit the number of “returns.” The government hoped to deter immigrants from sneaking back into the country by making it clear that the U.S. knew who they were—and could punish them more harshly if they showed up again. Under Obama, DHS has stuck with this policy. Between 2009 and 2012, the number of deportations and informal returns was roughly the same—about 1.6 million each. Add up all the relevant numbers, you’ll see removals are on track to end up higher under Obama than Bush (Lind’s point in Vox) but that removals plus returns will end up higher under Bush than Obama (Davis’ point in The Federalist).

https://newrepublic.com/article/117412/deportations-under-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

Believe me. I've done a ton of research on this stuff. The immigration problem is real. It's not a fabrication by nazi radicals. There is a wave of third worlders coming into our country illegally. They lack the skills and cultural background to succeed in our market economy. The majority of them end up of welfare and are a burden to the taxpayer. The rest compete with existing Americans for a finite number of low-skill jobs while driving up the costs of education, infrastructure and property. The end result is a higher cost of living for working class Americans, which drives down their rate of family formation, resulting in a "need" for more immigration to keep the Social Security Ponzi scheme alive.

Obama is not the deporter in chief. He wants more third-worlders because they vote Democrat. Globalist Republicans also want more third-worlders because they lower the cost of labor (with the taxpayer subsidizing them with welfare and food stamps). It's great for the corporations, great for Democrats, lousy for the taxpayers, and lousy for working class Americans.

Democrats know that third-worlders are socialists at heart because every Latino country skews socialist. Where Democrats get it wrong is that they believe we will be able to institute Scandinavian style socialism - the Bernie Sanders utopia. That won't happen because we won't have a country full of Scandinavians. We will get Argentina (an economic basket case), which will eventually morph into Brazil (a violent, economic basket case), and then Venezuela (a soon-to-be failed state where people are starving).

[dckingsfan]

Not sure if this graph takes the outflow of Hispanics starting on 2008.

And the net problem isn't the working class immigrants. It is the proportion of educated immigrants to working class immigrants.

But you have one point right - none of the parties have it right. Not the Ds, not the Rs and not the nationalists.

[pineappleheadindc]

I'm watching the BIll Maher show on HBO. Ann Coulter is one of the panelists.

Is it wrong of me to admit that when I see her talking, I get pretty aroused?

I feel like I need to take a shower now.

[nate33]

I'm watching the BIll Maher show on HBO. Ann Coulter is one of the panelists.

Is it wrong of me to admit that when I see her talking, I get pretty aroused?

I feel like I need to take a shower now.

Are you getting aroused because of her politics or her appearance? For me, it's the former.

She's a little too bony for my tastes, but she certainly looks great for a 54 year old.

I don't think Coulter gets enough credit for her influence on this election. She was, literally, the most influential pundit in this election. Her book, Adios America, did a lot to convince Trump to push his anti-immigrant platform, which was what gained Trump the immediate loyalty of 30% of Republicans. Coulter was also the first prominent conservative to support Trump unequivocally providing the necessary social proof among intellectuals that it was okay to support Trump.

[popper]

If I'm reading this right the candidate with the highest unfavorable rating (most disliked) in presidential elections usually wins, at least 80% of the time since 1980. Go figure.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-most-hated-candidate-usually-wins/article/2590520

[nate33]

Rapper Azealia Banks Calls for Sarah Palin to Be Gang-Raped by Black Men:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/04/rapper-azealia-banks-calls-sarah-palin-gang-raped-black-men/

Of course there will be no consequences, no condemnation at all. Her career will go on. Imagine if, say, Toby Keith said that Carol Moseley Braun should be gang raped by skinheads.

I hereby rescind my negative comments about Azealia Banks. Upon further review, I see that the woman is an extremely insightful and shrewd political analyst:









Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I'll just say that this isn't exactly a full-throated endorsement of Mr. Trump:

[AFM]

Another GOAT Trump video

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W9YWVQAIxM[/youtube]

Trump should hire whoever makes these videos. LOL! You're admonished!

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/729675037989601280[/tweet]

Trump is a subscriber of Modern Money Theory (MMT).

[nate33]

[fishercob]

Another GOAT Trump video

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W9YWVQAIxM[/youtube]

Trump should hire whoever makes these videos. LOL! You're admonished!

I wish I still did drugs.

[AFM]

Another GOAT Trump video

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W9YWVQAIxM[/youtube]

Trump should hire whoever makes these videos. LOL! You're admonished!

I wish I still did drugs.

No worries my friend. When Donny J T is elected Grand Ruler, drugs will be plentiful and we all will be prosperous. Rejoice!

[nuposse04]

This is the problem with modern day Islam. Too large a portion of them believe in the literal nonsensical parts of the Koran. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but Christianity has been afforded enough time where a lot of their followers see through the BS of the bible and don't follow it to a T, unfortunately not yet the same with Islam. There are Muslims who are trying to change this Nate, unfortunately their voices are not nearly enough empowered. Hopefully that changes over several generations. :/

What is kind of ironic, my birth place, Pakistan, was actually relatively modern prior to the 1960s... then America decided stick its thumb in... kind of takes me back to a Star Trek quote from Picard, something to the effect "Every time a more advance civilization has interfered with the progress of a less developed one it is has not ended well."

Sometimes I wonder how much better the world might be had American foreign policy taken its head out of its ass from the get-go.

[dckingsfan]

Yep, since WWII our foreign policy has been more screwed up than not. We went in with the "we can fix everything" attitude and of course - we can't.

[TGW]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/729675037989601280[/tweet]

Trump is a subscriber of Modern Money Theory (MMT).

[TGW]

What a stupid graphic. Replace "Muslim" with "Christian" and you the graphic's message would not be any different.

[Benjammin]

The last panel would be starkly different.

[dckingsfan]

Really, you don't think Christians believe in Women's rights? That modern day Christian's think Gay's should be stoned or hanged? You don't think liberals are intolerant?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?_r=0

[nate33]

The last panel would be starkly different.

Exactly. The point of the graphic isn't that Muslims are more extremist than Republicans or Christians (they are, but that's another debate). The point of the graphic is that SJW types immediately suppress their egalitarian principles when it's Muslims they might potentially be offending.

[AFM]

What a stupid graphic. Replace "Muslim" with "Christian" and you the graphic's message would not be any different.