Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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[b]PER isn't an especially useful stat, because it overvalues shooting ...

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

[nate33]

[b]PER isn't an especially useful stat, because it overvalues shooting ...

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

Lately, I'm mostly looking at ORtg and USG%, and then I try to glean a little defensive information by looking at on/off numbers and DRPM.

[Ruzious]

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

Lately, I'm mostly looking at ORtg and USG%, and then I try to glean a little defensive information by looking at on/off numbers and DRPM.

With me, the better I understand the formula's the more I trust the numbers. And sometimes I'm just too lazy to try to understand them.

[Dark Faze]

I've really begun to hate ORTG as a stat.

You can glean almost everything you need with TS% and usage. Things get super sketchy when you take turnovers into account because not all turnovers are equal.

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That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

Lately, I'm mostly looking at ORtg and USG%, and then I try to glean a little defensive information by looking at on/off numbers and DRPM.

What's USG%, nate?

(feels more like an econ stat? "US Global percentage" of... something?)

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Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

[Sluggerface]

Yup.

Lately, I'm mostly looking at ORtg and USG%, and then I try to glean a little defensive information by looking at on/off numbers and DRPM.

What's USG%, nate?

(feels more like an econ stat? "US Global percentage" of... something?)

USG is what percentage of plays a player uses on the court, it's determined by whether or not an individual players possession ends in a shot or a turnover.

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Oh duh! Of course "USG" = usage....

It's obvious in retrospect

[fishercob]

Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

I wish Ernie ran the Spurs and we could trade Brad for LMA.

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Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

Nope, that's just a terrible idea. Unbelievably bad in fact. Aldridge is a good player, to be sure. But he's 31. And he's not good enough that he'd make a big difference on a squad like ours.

I'd say that Otto Porter and next year's R1 pick are probably our two most important assets going forward.

In any case, SA plays Kawhi Leonard at the 3. Otto is very good and going to be better, but he's not as good as Leonard. Their backup is Kyle Anderson -- who is a significantly above average 3 on his own; he's not as good as Otto, but he is one of the best young SFs in the game all the same.

I'm sure SA would jump at your deal, btw, esp. if you leave Nicholson out -- it's an incredible steal for them and goes a long way to solve their only problem (age). Wouldn't be long before you were regretting the loss of Porter I can tell you that! Not to mention the lottery pick we're going to have next year.

[Ruzious]

Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

Nope, that's just a terrible idea. Unbelievably bad in fact. Aldridge is a good player, to be sure. But he's 31. And he's not good enough that he'd make a big difference on a squad like ours.

I'd say that Otto Porter and next year's R1 pick are probably our two most important assets going forward.

In any case, SA plays Kawhi Leonard at the 3. Otto is very good and going to be better, but he's not as good as Leonard. Their backup is Kyle Anderson -- who is a significantly above average 3 on his own; he's not as good as Otto, but he is one of the best young SFs in the game all the same.

I'm sure SA would jump at your deal, btw, esp. if you leave Nicholson out -- it's an incredible steal for them and goes a long way to solve their only problem (age). Wouldn't be long before you were regretting the loss of Porter I can tell you that! Not to mention the lottery pick we're going to have next year.

Kyle Anderson is smart and crafty, but he's very unathletic for an NBA player. Does not compute. Does not compute.

But, he is very long for a 3, and he does have a questionable jump shot. So the racial stereotypes say Whew!

Btw, SA doesn't make that trade, but it's not because they have Kyle Anderson. They want to win now, and Aldridge is much better than Porter and Mahinmi now.

[Dark Faze]

I don't really think the package would be enough, but I wouldn't be shocked if they move LMA. He's a win now player at this stage in his career and the Spurs are a smart organization that can see the writing on the wall. It wouldn't shock me if they came to the understanding at the deadline that they couldn't be competitive with GS at this time and worked towards building up assets for the future. Kawhi only just turned 25.

[Sluggerface]

I've really begun to hate ORTG as a stat.

You can glean almost everything you need with TS% and usage. Things get super sketchy when you take turnovers into account because not all turnovers are equal.

They're pretty much equal. You can debate who is actually at fault for a turnover but it will boil down to semantics. All turnovers end a possession.

[TGW]

Trade Beal for him, straight up.

[gambitx777]

if they would take beal I'd do that trade in a heart beat because we have Tomas " yellow jacket " Satoransky

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Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

Nope, that's just a terrible idea. Unbelievably bad in fact. Aldridge is a good player, to be sure. But he's 31. And he's not good enough that he'd make a big difference on a squad like ours.

I'd say that Otto Porter and next year's R1 pick are probably our two most important assets going forward.

In any case, SA plays Kawhi Leonard at the 3. Otto is very good and going to be better, but he's not as good as Leonard. Their backup is Kyle Anderson -- who is a significantly above average 3 on his own; he's not as good as Otto, but he is one of the best young SFs in the game all the same.

I'm sure SA would jump at your deal, btw, esp. if you leave Nicholson out -- it's an incredible steal for them and goes a long way to solve their only problem (age). Wouldn't be long before you were regretting the loss of Porter I can tell you that! Not to mention the lottery pick we're going to have next year.

Kyle Anderson is smart and crafty, but he's very unathletic for an NBA player. Does not compute. Does not compute.

But, he is very long for a 3, and he does have a questionable jump shot. So the racial stereotypes say Whew!

Btw, SA doesn't make that trade, but it's not because they have Kyle Anderson. They want to win now, and Aldridge is much better than Porter and Mahinmi now.

But, Ruz... I didn't say it was because they had Kyle Anderson that they wouldn't target Otto! I said it was because they had Kawhi Leonard. My point about Anderson was only to emphasize that they wouldn't want Otto to play backup, tho as I said of KA -- "he's not as good as Otto."

As to SA wanting to trade Aldridge this year, that does seem to be what the rumors say -- http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243650/LaMarcus-Aldridge-Could-Be-Traded-By-Spurs-This-Season. Obviously neither I nor you has any idea whether that rumor is true.

All the same, I maintain that they'd grab Porter and our next year R1 -- which will be quite high -- for him, just because the value imbalance in the trade would be so much in their favor.

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Trade Beal for him, straight up.

Sure -- that I'd do in a minute. But, I'd rather trade Beal for a couple of promising young players than for Aldridge. We are about to have to rebuild, and that would give us a head start.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

[b]PER isn't an especially useful stat, because it overvalues shooting ...

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

Noted. Thanks to both pif and Ruz.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lowe anticipates LMA being on the market.

Porter, Ian and a first for LMA would be a fair deal imo

Make it Ian, Kieff, and a first.

Keep Porter.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That's why it is useful when you use it with eFG and/or TS%. A high PER combined with a high eFG is golden.

Yup.

Lately, I'm mostly looking at ORtg and USG%, and then I try to glean a little defensive information by looking at on/off numbers and DRPM.

Noted. Thanks, nate.