payitforward wrote:nate33 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:Why? Ok Look at the market and look at denver? They have cap room, Not a free agent destination. The needs picks, What is Barton and Nurkic worth. Mahinmi, Has value in the fact that he is a good defencive center, denver needs that, They are not playing for anything right now to offer them a piece they are going to need, a vet guy for anchors that bench, when healthy and an unprotected pick in this years draft. That is worth Barton and Nurkic. Both of them together are worth a first, then you unprotect it to sweeten the deal. we are one wall injury away from not winning another game this year. This draft is amazing. Weather we should do it or not, idk but they would take that deal I feel.
Arguing with you is a waste of time because you are impervious to reality. Mahinmi does not have value. He is paid $16M a year and there is no guarantee that he will ever play again, much less play at the level he did for one brief season in his entire career. Nobody wants that albatross contract. Certainly, if Denver wanted a center, they'd be much happier with Nurkic than Mahinmi and a #23 pick.
I already agreed that I would make that trade. I'm just telling you, with absolute certainty, that Denver would never do it. You can choose to disagree with me if you want. But you would be deluding yourself.
Totally correct, nate. Even if Mahinmi does wind up somewhere else (as gambit suggested).
There is going to be no way to deal Mahinmi's contract until he's proven he can play again at a high level. Why would anyone take on that risk?
From our point of view, the only good thing about the trade would be ridding ourselves of that albatross contract. Barton is a 27 year old bench player, & Nurkic is a big question mark -- I like him, but he's still a big question mark. If I'm going to take an upside risk, I want to do it on a rookie not a guy in his 3d year.
I'd trade for Nurkic, just not that deal. & our problem is we don't have any asset that would make sense in a straight up trade for him.
I mean that's the point im trying to make here PIF, Barton and Nurkic together are not worth an unprotected pick in this draft. But those guys, plus take a contract of a useful but injured player is worth an unprotected pick in this draft. But, it depends on the GM in Denver and how bad he wants extra picks in this draft. Its totally possible that 17-23 in this draft is going to be a better player than all of the players in this deal put together. Its just depends, im not arguing that Mahinmi has value or doesn't im arguing that if someone wants a pick in this draft bad enough, taking mahinmi, who will be healthy again eventually and useful to them when he is, while giving up two players who are redundant on your team, might be a deal they could be willing to make.
I.e. otherwise I'd be pretty sure he was going to at least try. And he might still try, as you see, and -- heaven forfend -- he might even succeed.
