Political Roundtable Part XV

[gtn130]

The bottom line for me is that our country is not for sale.

So in that regard, Trump was the right choice for me.

hahahahahaha

[Pointgod]

Trump is a pathetic f@ckw@d who cares only about attention. He's good at attracting attention to himself by being a pathetic whiny baby who is also a pathological liar. He is a turd of a human being and everyone who voted for him is also a turd.

wow. that is very divisive talk. you gain nothing from that type of position and you move no one to agree with anything you write. and you just put down about half of the country. likely about half of the board reading this.

i didn't vote for him. in fact i'm a 25 year registered democrat. i voted Bernie. i stood against everything hillary. I did not want to see her in office. I did vote for Bill clinton. And thought he was a decent president. But what the clintons have done to enrich themselves since he left office and she entered public office is disgusting. I could NOT support that.

The bottom line for me is that our country is not for sale. You cant enter politics (public office) "poor" and leave enrich. To that note, you cant go off on book tours, and speech tours while you have an active member of congress or cabinet or higher and sell off access. The country is not for sale.

So in that regard, Trump was the right choice for me. The country made the better decision. What the clintons have done to financially reward themselves (however legal the loopholes and back roads channels) via holding public office is disgusting to me. its one of the few things that makes me absolutely sick to me stomach in regards to politics.

Holding public office is a tough job. a dirty job. an ugly job. If the (american people) want to officially pay them more? fine. But they should not keep a single penny of any type of donations from 5 years before public office, during public office, and 10 years after public office. No money from giving speeches. No money from books. Nothing. Its too easy pay them off for access or for deals and doings that dont favor the american public.

say whatever you want about trump and much of it may be true and and i may agree with a lot of it. but he's not for sale. There is not reason for him to sell off the american people as he is already worth billions. The kind of money it would take to buy him is sooooo high (at least $200-300 million) that there is no way it could happen without a watchdog finding out. so it basically wont happen. Meanwhile the clinton's sold us out the uranium one deal (ultimately to Russia) for what looks like about 5-6 speaking (Bill Clinton )fees and foundation donations totaling 15-25 million per the (very liberal) NY Times piece from the 2015.

Trump may do things for his base. But at least his base is actually american. and his agenda is almost soley nationalistic. I can live with hiccups and bumps in the road and awkwardness of a non-politician that is at least making mistakes that are intended to benefit americans first. I bring up my personal feeling on this because I am not a trump supporter. at all. but i can at least get behind a politician that is attempting to put america first and not sell us off to foreign interests.

The clinton's could keep the money train going so now she is pathetically whining about the loss nearly a full year later. In a book tour. with the full motivation to further divide the country. She is being an even bigger petulant cry baby than trump. She clearly wasn't fit for the job.

Man the cognitive dissonance in this post is truly amazing.

[stilldropin20]

so, this is just another small minded corner of the world where we call each other names and insult each other? got it.

[Zonkerbl]

The truth hurts but it will set you free.

[popper]

so, this is just another small minded corner of the world where we call each other names and insult each other? got it.

That's about right. You can enjoy conversations on any number of subjects here but not politics (which is kind of funny given the title of the thread). There's very little desire to engage in dialectic with regard to govt policy. Don't bother with discussions on reform of education (status quo is just fine) or deficits and debt (keep up the spending except for defense) or children born out of wedlock and growing up without fathers (taboo). I enjoy the thread but there's very little desire to identify and exchange substantive policy ideas to better the country. It's quite disappointing IMO.

Edit - I think I'm the only "turd" still posting on this thread.

Edit - There are a handful of posters here though, including our moderator, that do go out of their way to be civil and fair minded.

[Zonkerbl]

Yeah, I'm not going to argue about policy in any meaningful way with anyone who voted for this turdblossom. You want to shake things up in this country, do it in a way that doesn't fundamentally undermine the very democratic foundations that make this country great. You get rid of this turd first. No other discussion happens until then. If you're not actively working to flush the turd, you are the turd.

[stilldropin20]

so, this is just another small minded corner of the world where we call each other names and insult each other? got it.

That's about right. You can enjoy conversations on any number of subjects here but not politics (which is kind of funny given the title of the thread). There's very little desire to engage in dialectic with regard to govt policy. Don't bother with discussions on reform of education (status quo is just fine) or deficits and debt (keep up the spending except for defense) or children born out of wedlock and growing up without fathers (taboo). I enjoy the thread but there's very little desire to identify and exchange substantive policy ideas to better the country. It's quite disappointing IMO.

Edit - I think I'm the only "turd" still posting on this thread.

Edit - There are a handful of posters here though, including our moderator, that do go out of their way to be civil and fair minded.

lol. yeah. i think we are all just trying to learn about ourselves and each other. Including the couple of posters just being ridiculous. This board was hella ridiculous years ago and i was just as ridiculous as anyone. But most everyone on this board is generally pretty awesome.


im opinionated but even though I'm a registered democrat I consider myself a true independent. Like most people, I genuinely see issues with both liberal and conservative agendas and policies, but i'm willing to be honest about it. I'm truly trying to learn more.

I also genuinely feel that if we learn more about each other that it can lead to making our government work for us. The more divided we are on what i consider "small issues" the less attention we pay to larger issues. And I must admit that I dont really exactly know how much these small issues tie into each other and the larger issues so as to prioritize them.

[Pointgod]

so, this is just another small minded corner of the world where we call each other names and insult each other? got it.

Well to be honest I don't think you'll ever change anyone's mind arguing on the internet. The fact that you parroted some debunked talking point about Hillary selling uranium to Russia leads me to believe that any rebuttal will fall on deaf ears. I could point out that every single point you made about Hillary is literally true of Trump except 100 times worse. He's directly profiting from the Preaidency, we know he's violating Nepotism laws, his cabinet is filled with Wall Street and Goldmansachs bankers, his campaign colluded with Russia so we know he can definitely be bought, he uses foreign workers for his business, is estimated to spend more money on trips this year than any other President in their whole tenure and he assigns cabinet positions to the highest bidder.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

As far as Clinton writing a book you're coming off as a huge hypocrite considering that Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake and Al Franken have all written books and have been using their position to their advantage. They aren't giving these books away for free.

Trump was literally the worst option for America considering that:
1. He's a proven liar that has a history of being sued, stiffing workers and generally making poor business decisions.
2. He has no tangible plans and the promises that he made on the campaign were unfeasible or just flat out lies.
3. His proposed policies were objectively horrible and completely short sighted considering that he's ignorant of real world consequences.
I find it interesting that you're a Bernie supporter who want the man that goes against every thing Bernie stands for and who would actually put policies in place that will further income inequality.

Finally it's pretty arrogant to assume that you know better than someone else and Trump will bring about some type of political revolution. I doubt you have much skin in the game but I would encourage you to meet some of the people that will be affected by Trump. Talk the dreamers that will be screwed over, immigrants, working class people of colour, people that use social services like meals on wheels, people that need healthcare etc. Trump is destroying the lives of so many people that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have. Lets have a conversation but you can't tuck tail and run when I call out your blatant hypocrisy or correct untrue assertions.

[DCZards]

trump is like the bible. a necessary evil that is badly needed for the moment as an instrument of change. even for nothing more than change's sake.

I was taught to judge a person by the content of their character. Trump brags about grabbing women by their p**sy, mocks disabled people, stiffs small businesses that do work for his companies, and lies as easily as most people breath.

If that's the kind of "necessary evil" you find acceptable, cool. I don't...and never will.

As for Trump's putting America First, imo it's just a lot of nationalistic jingoism that has gullible people believing that the US can somehow go it alone in an increasingly international world. When in reality all it has done is diminished America's status as a global leader.

It astounds me that you can claim to be a Bernie Sanders supporter yet find DT acceptable.

[DCZards]

I know that i, personally, only watched one part(about 10 minutes) of one inauguration (Obama) and ALL of another(Trump). and i watched clips of the trump inauguration over and over. the only reason i saw some clips of the obama inauguraiton is because various media outlets played it to compare it to Trump.

No inauguration has had as much worldwide coverage and exposure as the trump inauguration. Not. Even. Close. is my guess. just a guess, though.

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

[stilldropin20]

hannity and tucker panties in a bundle. GOP clearly falling apart at the seems. Wont work wit da trumpsta. get em out! git em out!

Dems should try to protect Donald from getting impeached. Otherwise, Pence takes over and probably gets Republican agenda passed. What's up SD? Good to see you here.

Btw, the WH really doesn't have anything to do but complain about Jamele Hill not being fired by ESPN? I'm no fan of hers, but the WH acting furious over her comments is ridiculous. And telling ESPN what to do... it's just not their business. They're in the business of protecting all US citizens; not how ESPN is staffed. If they don't have enough thick skin for the job, they're in the wrong business. Put on some gloves, and clean your panties. With all that's going on, they're focusing with self-righteous indignity on what ESPN is doing over some comments by a sportscaster. Un f'n believable.

Whats up Ruz? nice to hear from you as well!

yeah, Pence is all kinds of (borderline?) conservative evil. Worst thing that could happen is he becomes president.

Shcumer and trump go way back. I'm quite surprised at how many times Chuck was able to come to tears on on the senate floor in regards to opposing some of the Bannon and Pence( hard line ultraconservative classic GOP) agenda as well as how long its taken chuck and donald to start making deals together. Trump is playing the GOP and Dems like a fiddle though. If trump wasn't so bold and if he didn't make a bad hire in Flynn and Manaforte no one would have a thing. Outside of that ("RUSSIA") he's crushing as much as he can possibly crush. and thats WITH putting his put in his mouth and pulling down his pants twice daily. It's quite genius and amazing however petulant.

I just hope he is deep in character on the "identity politics" though and begins to come off of it. Speaking of, once the GOP gets on board with "identity politics" its almost game over. Surprised they dont walk back some of these hard line stances. And The bible belt just needs to open their minds and learn some things as well. But I just cant imagine a world where donald trump is actually a far right conservative politician that believes that Government should have a say in the religious identity of american. His entire business accumen and background says otherwise.

And then yeah, the petty stuff like ESPN. Its just so damn petty and intellectual dishonest for the liberal left to go after this WH like it does and equally damn petty at how the WH responds to it all. but, its somehow...(working?). Not sure what to call it. But he would absolutely win re-election right now.

If he somehow pulls off solid daca reform and gets the dems to it into funding the "wall," he can easily ride that kind of momentum into tax reform and health care reform. Plus th eeconomy!!?? Those things can happen. if they do this buffoon is going down as one of the greatest presidents of the last 50 years. I think i get why its working. But i dont think i can describe it. Anyhow, thats lots of what ifs. He can also be impeached by the hardline left or right by next month. Either way, they are finding it very difficult to make him another "do nothing sit on his hands president." So many things should have stopped him. I mean, no one should or could have survived the access hollywood tape. No one. We'll see where this is going though.

[stilldropin20]

I know that i, personally, only watched one part(about 10 minutes) of one inauguration (Obama) and ALL of another(Trump). and i watched clips of the trump inauguration over and over. the only reason i saw some clips of the obama inauguraiton is because various media outlets played it to compare it to Trump.

No inauguration has had as much worldwide coverage and exposure as the trump inauguration. Not. Even. Close. is my guess. just a guess, though.

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

i honestly have no idea. 2009 was historic for sure. Thats the first one i even watched part of. I was very proud that day, of america in general, that an african american was elected president. American is progressing and becoming a better place. Not perfect. But better. and 2009 was a day to be a proud american. So viewership could be higher then. and it looks to me that obama had at least triple the amount of people in DC to watch it live.

And i also know that the number of cell phones world wide with "legit" streaming capabilities increased by at least a factor of 10 from 2009 to 2017. Nobody I know live streamed anything back then. they do nowadays and regularly. And people record everything nowadays and watch it later. They did then too but even more people do these days.

HD television and the devisive nature of the media and nowadays its like watching high comedy. there is an entire sideshow and its right there in HD in the palm of your hand. I mean just watching trump shake hands, his mannerisms, how many times melania blows him off in public. It's high comedy. The obama's were almost too perfect a couple and Obama almost always said the perfectly right thing. he was predictable. so he wasn't as engaging your attention and keeping it like the awkward trump can do: hating him or loving it.

As a side note(FULL RANT, lol) as polished as the obama's are/were, the trumps just make it feel like more is happeing. like they are movers and shakers. and in that regard it never felt like Obama got much of importance done. he inherited a mess so im not pointing fingers. The credit markets all but died on him early in his era so there likely wasn't much he could have (well except maybe crushing the cetral banks (if?) he had the chance?). I mean, he should have had the central banks by the balls. maybe not. Almost nothing happened but an apology tour where Obama went around and apologized to the rest of world for the US always putting its own interests first. Not sure if globalism was born under Obama but this is when i first noticed the US often and overly put citizens of the rest of the world before americans. Not sure if european bankers were pulling those strings due to financial credit unrest-if so he should have ordered congress(they would have done anything the days the market crashed and things were unfolding in 08) to print money again (greenbacks) like Lincoln did when European central bankers backed the raw material producing south over the North during the civil war. The North's credit markets closed. To keep the north funded and the economy steady in the north, lincold simply printed his own money instead of boring from our first(second actually) incarnation of a central bank. Lincoln as a few other presidents immediately understood that the European central bankers were foreign agents with foreign (self) agendas. Yeah, I would have like to see major reform come about after 2008. Instead we got consumer level reform as if the consumer was the problem that led to the financial meltdown. Obama had a major opening. A huge chink in the armor. they were exposed. Nothing really happened. We could have easily brought them to their knees. Why that didn't happen? Not sure. I know the European rothschild banking cartel had supposedly pulled out of commercial and central banking in 2006. Per Sir Evelyn de rothschild in 2006? They went "to gold." Likely assuming the meltdown was near. Gold would be the stable play. But still with as much as a $500Trillion in capital they had to find something to do with all that right? They are simply too big to fund goverments anymore. Imagine that/ so they fund mergers and acquisitions. Like when Facebook buys snapchat for 8 billion? they fund all kinds of stuff like that but regularly and some mergers in excess of $300Billion. Anyhow, either the rothschilds got out in time or were simply untouchable. But through all that, Barrack and Michelle were both perfect. Their lives, their children. everything. things didn't really get done in terms of policy except that the US was beginning to become more and more global minded. Not in terms of taking over the world. but in terms of looking out more for global interests than american interests. Still though. it looked damn near perfect. excellent execution by the entire obama family and i thank them for their service. In what they did do, they did better than any other family thats been in the WH. And there is a (good?) chance (and i'm open to it) that Barrack was actually playing double agent (appearing as a globalist) only to further advice an american-first policy later and some necessary evils had to be endured to learn more about our foreign agendas. But i fully digress. rant over. lol.


In Trump however, I now feel like I'm watching a realty TV train wreck. And yet i feel like this clown might be able to get law makers to (better?) legislate...that favors americans not citizens of the world. And that doesn't make me not care about the rest of the world. I do very much. But i have no guilt for putting americans first. But There's definitely a method to the Trump madness. an idiot savant of sorts. it's like captain jack has been elected president. And maybe he wont get anything of substance done either. its very likely he wont. and that wont make him any worse of a president than barrack or Bush or Clinton. At worst, the Trump campaign has ignited more interest and involvement in politics than ever in the country. Americans are more educated now and paying more (critical) attention to the "news" more than any other era. if for no other reason, the trump presidency has been a huge success for americans. we are beginning to pay attention. Thats a good thing. now we just got to get to a critical mass on both consciousness and truth.

[Wizardspride]

I know that i, personally, only watched one part(about 10 minutes) of one inauguration (Obama) and ALL of another(Trump). and i watched clips of the trump inauguration over and over. the only reason i saw some clips of the obama inauguraiton is because various media outlets played it to compare it to Trump.

No inauguration has had as much worldwide coverage and exposure as the trump inauguration. Not. Even. Close. is my guess. just a guess, though.

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

i honestly have no idea. 2009 was historic for sure. Thats the first one i even watched part of. I was very proud that day, of america in general, that an african american was elected president. American is progressing and becoming a better place. Not perfect. But better. and 2009 was a day to be a proud american. So viewership could be higher then. and it looks to me that obama had at least triple the amount of people in DC to watch it live.

And i also know that the number of cell phones world wide with "legit" streaming capabilities increased by at least a factor of 10 from 2009 to 2017. Nobody I know live streamed anything back then. they do nowadays and regularly. And people record everything nowadays and watch it later. They did then too but even more people do these days.

HD television and the devisive nature of the media and nowadays its like watching high comedy. there is an entire sideshow and its right there in HD in the palm of your hand. I mean just watching trump shake hands, his mannerisms, how many times melania blows him off in public. It's high comedy. The obama's were almost too perfect a couple and Obama almost always said the perfectly right thing. he was predictable. so he wasn't as engaging your attention and keeping it like the awkward trump can do: hating him or loving it.

As a side note(FULL RANT, lol) as polished as the obama's are/were, the trumps just make it feel like more is happeing. like they are movers and shakers. and in that regard it never felt like Obama got much of importance done. he inherited a mess so im not pointing fingers. The credit markets all but died on him early in his era so there likely wasn't much he could have (well except maybe crushing the cetral banks (if?) he had the chance?). I mean, he should have had the central banks by the balls. maybe not. Almost nothing happened but an apology tour where Obama went around and apologized to the rest of world for the US always putting its own interests first. Not sure if globalism was born under Obama but this is when i first noticed the US often and overly put citizens of the rest of the world before americans. Not sure if european bankers were pulling those strings due to financial credit unrest-if so he should have ordered congress(they would have done anything the days the market crashed and things were unfolding in 08) to print money again (greenbacks) like Lincoln did when European central bankers backed the raw material producing south over the North during the civil war. The North's credit markets closed. To keep the north funded and the economy steady in the north, lincold simply printed his own money instead of boring from our first(second actually) incarnation of a central bank. Lincoln as a few other presidents immediately understood that the European central bankers were foreign agents with foreign (self) agendas. Yeah, I would have like to see major reform come about after 2008. Instead we got consumer level reform as if the consumer was the problem that led to the financial meltdown. Obama had a major opening. A huge chink in the armor. they were exposed. Nothing really happened. We could have easily brought them to their knees. Why that didn't happen? Not sure. I know the European rothschild banking cartel had supposedly pulled out of commercial and central banking in 2006. Per Sir Evelyn de rothschild in 2006? They went "to gold." Likely assuming the meltdown was near. Gold would be the stable play. But still with as much as a $500Trillion in capital they had to find something to do with all that right? They are simply too big to fund goverments anymore. Imagine that/ so they fund mergers and acquisitions. Like when Facebook buys snapchat for 8 billion? they fund all kinds of stuff like that but regularly and some mergers in excess of $300Billion. Anyhow, either the rothschilds got out in time or were simply untouchable. But through all that, Barrack and Michelle were both perfect. Their lives, their children. everything. things didn't really get done in terms of policy except that the US was beginning to become more and more global minded. Not in terms of taking over the world. but in terms of looking out more for global interests than american interests. Still though. it looked damn near perfect. excellent execution by the entire obama family and i thank them for their service. In what they did do, they did better than any other family thats been in the WH. And there is a (good?) chance (and i'm open to it) that Barrack was actually playing double agent (appearing as a globalist) only to further advice an american-first policy later and some necessary evils had to be endured to learn more about our foreign agendas. But i fully digress. rant over. lol.


In Trump however, I now feel like I'm watching a realty TV train wreck. And yet i feel like this clown might be able to get law makers to (better?) legislate...that favors americans not citizens of the world. And that doesn't make me not care about the rest of the world. I do very much. But i have no guilt for putting americans first. But There's definitely a method to the Trump madness. an idiot savant of sorts. it's like captain jack has been elected president. And maybe he wont get anything of substance done either. its very likely he wont. and that wont make him any worse of a president than barrack or Bush or Clinton. At worst, the Trump campaign has ignited more interest and involvement in politics than ever in the country. Americans are more educated now and paying more (critical) attention to the "news" more than any other era. if for no other reason, the trump presidency has been a huge success for americans. we are beginning to pay attention. Thats a good thing. now we just got to get to a critical mass on both consciousness and truth.

No offense, but I think you're doing a lot of projecting when it comes to Trump.

I think you have a belief/hope that Trump is a certain way while ignoring/hoping some of his less savory characteristics aren't "the real him".

I mean there's nothing in Trump's history that indicates he's what you think he is.

In fact, quite the contrary.

[montestewart]

I know that i, personally, only watched one part(about 10 minutes) of one inauguration (Obama) and ALL of another(Trump). and i watched clips of the trump inauguration over and over. the only reason i saw some clips of the obama inauguraiton is because various media outlets played it to compare it to Trump.

No inauguration has had as much worldwide coverage and exposure as the trump inauguration. Not. Even. Close. is my guess. just a guess, though.

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

Haven't researched it recently, but I recall that there were some indications from more neutral sources that the worldwide coverage angle might be true. I wasn't too alarmed by that, given the advances in communication technology since 2009 (you can view TV on your watch now, etc.) and also given that Trump had celebrity status before he ran for president. It felt like there was a lurid rubbernecking at a train wreck voyeurism aspect that might have drawn a huge streaming/internet crowd around the world--will he declare war on some country in his acceptance speech?

I never really quibbled with that aspect of his claims, which is hard to definitively prove one way or the other. It's the other claims, pretty well documented in his interviews, tweets, etc., regarding feet on the ground at the Mall. Trump hoped for the largest in-person crowd ever, he predicted one of the largest crowds ever, he was incensed when the press accurately recorded what a small crowd it was (and that was news partially because of his bombastic predictions), and the result was his administration starting off with a series of dishonest communications--flat out lies--and intemperate actions (seeking out government employees who had the nerve to acknowledge the truth), which pretty much predicted everything that has happened since then.

[montestewart]

Spoiler:

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

i honestly have no idea. 2009 was historic for sure. Thats the first one i even watched part of. I was very proud that day, of america in general, that an african american was elected president. American is progressing and becoming a better place. Not perfect. But better. and 2009 was a day to be a proud american. So viewership could be higher then. and it looks to me that obama had at least triple the amount of people in DC to watch it live.

And i also know that the number of cell phones world wide with "legit" streaming capabilities increased by at least a factor of 10 from 2009 to 2017. Nobody I know live streamed anything back then. they do nowadays and regularly. And people record everything nowadays and watch it later. They did then too but even more people do these days.

HD television and the devisive nature of the media and nowadays its like watching high comedy. there is an entire sideshow and its right there in HD in the palm of your hand. I mean just watching trump shake hands, his mannerisms, how many times melania blows him off in public. It's high comedy. The obama's were almost too perfect a couple and Obama almost always said the perfectly right thing. he was predictable. so he wasn't as engaging your attention and keeping it like the awkward trump can do: hating him or loving it.

As a side note(FULL RANT, lol) as polished as the obama's are/were, the trumps just make it feel like more is happeing. like they are movers and shakers. and in that regard it never felt like Obama got much of importance done. he inherited a mess so im not pointing fingers. The credit markets all but died on him early in his era so there likely wasn't much he could have (well except maybe crushing the cetral banks (if?) he had the chance?). I mean, he should have had the central banks by the balls. maybe not. Almost nothing happened but an apology tour where Obama went around and apologized to the rest of world for the US always putting its own interests first. Not sure if globalism was born under Obama but this is when i first noticed the US often and overly put citizens of the rest of the world before americans. Not sure if european bankers were pulling those strings due to financial credit unrest-if so he should have ordered congress(they would have done anything the days the market crashed and things were unfolding in 08) to print money again (greenbacks) like Lincoln did when European central bankers backed the raw material producing south over the North during the civil war. The North's credit markets closed. To keep the north funded and the economy steady in the north, lincold simply printed his own money instead of boring from our first(second actually) incarnation of a central bank. Lincoln as a few other presidents immediately understood that the European central bankers were foreign agents with foreign (self) agendas. Yeah, I would have like to see major reform come about after 2008. Instead we got consumer level reform as if the consumer was the problem that led to the financial meltdown. Obama had a major opening. A huge chink in the armor. they were exposed. Nothing really happened. We could have easily brought them to their knees. Why that didn't happen? Not sure. I know the European rothschild banking cartel had supposedly pulled out of commercial and central banking in 2006. Per Sir Evelyn de rothschild in 2006? They went "to gold." Likely assuming the meltdown was near. Gold would be the stable play. But still with as much as a $500Trillion in capital they had to find something to do with all that right? They are simply too big to fund goverments anymore. Imagine that/ so they fund mergers and acquisitions. Like when Facebook buys snapchat for 8 billion? they fund all kinds of stuff like that but regularly and some mergers in excess of $300Billion. Anyhow, either the rothschilds got out in time or were simply untouchable. But through all that, Barrack and Michelle were both perfect. Their lives, their children. everything. things didn't really get done in terms of policy except that the US was beginning to become more and more global minded. Not in terms of taking over the world. but in terms of looking out more for global interests than american interests. Still though. it looked damn near perfect. excellent execution by the entire obama family and i thank them for their service. In what they did do, they did better than any other family thats been in the WH. And there is a (good?) chance (and i'm open to it) that Barrack was actually playing double agent (appearing as a globalist) only to further advice an american-first policy later and some necessary evils had to be endured to learn more about our foreign agendas. But i fully digress. rant over. lol.


In Trump however, I now feel like I'm watching a realty TV train wreck. And yet i feel like this clown might be able to get law makers to (better?) legislate...that favors americans not citizens of the world. And that doesn't make me not care about the rest of the world. I do very much. But i have no guilt for putting americans first. But There's definitely a method to the Trump madness. an idiot savant of sorts. it's like captain jack has been elected president. And maybe he wont get anything of substance done either. its very likely he wont. and that wont make him any worse of a president than barrack or Bush or Clinton. At worst, the Trump campaign has ignited more interest and involvement in politics than ever in the country. Americans are more educated now and paying more (critical) attention to the "news" more than any other era. if for no other reason, the trump presidency has been a huge success for americans. we are beginning to pay attention. Thats a good thing. now we just got to get to a critical mass on both consciousness and truth.

No offense, but I think you're doing a lot of projecting when it comes to Trump.

I think you have a belief/hope that Trump is a certain way while ignoring/hoping some of his less savory characteristics aren't "the real him".

I mean there's nothing in Trump's history that indicates he's what you think he is.

In fact, quite the contrary.

Agreed. As I've mentioned before, I've been following New York media since the 1970s, and thus am quite familiar with Trump's persona as a very high profile and very public celeb. There are 40+ years worth of former employees, former associates, former partners, former wives, court cases, interviews, press clippings, etc. revealing the behind-the-scenes. There isn't really anything left to find out. There doesn't appear to be any real difference between the public Trump and the private Trump, between the thoughts in his head and the words coming out of his mouth. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see why anyone would have any realistic/specific expectations of him.

[gtn130]

so, this is just another small minded corner of the world where we call each other names and insult each other? got it.

No, man, you're just flat out wrong. You're making up random nonsense to support your narratives.

It takes a single Google search to totally decimate the argument you're trying to make:

http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=trump+profiting+from+presidency

[stilldropin20]

You really believe that Trump's inauguration had more worldwide coverage than the inauguration of this country's first black president? I seriously doubt that.

i honestly have no idea. 2009 was historic for sure. Thats the first one i even watched part of. I was very proud that day, of america in general, that an african american was elected president. American is progressing and becoming a better place. Not perfect. But better. and 2009 was a day to be a proud american. So viewership could be higher then. and it looks to me that obama had at least triple the amount of people in DC to watch it live.

And i also know that the number of cell phones world wide with "legit" streaming capabilities increased by at least a factor of 10 from 2009 to 2017. Nobody I know live streamed anything back then. they do nowadays and regularly. And people record everything nowadays and watch it later. They did then too but even more people do these days.

HD television and the devisive nature of the media and nowadays its like watching high comedy. there is an entire sideshow and its right there in HD in the palm of your hand. I mean just watching trump shake hands, his mannerisms, how many times melania blows him off in public. It's high comedy. The obama's were almost too perfect a couple and Obama almost always said the perfectly right thing. he was predictable. so he wasn't as engaging your attention and keeping it like the awkward trump can do: hating him or loving it.

As a side note(FULL RANT, lol) as polished as the obama's are/were, the trumps just make it feel like more is happeing. like they are movers and shakers. and in that regard it never felt like Obama got much of importance done. he inherited a mess so im not pointing fingers. The credit markets all but died on him early in his era so there likely wasn't much he could have (well except maybe crushing the cetral banks (if?) he had the chance?). I mean, he should have had the central banks by the balls. maybe not. Almost nothing happened but an apology tour where Obama went around and apologized to the rest of world for the US always putting its own interests first. Not sure if globalism was born under Obama but this is when i first noticed the US often and overly put citizens of the rest of the world before americans. Not sure if european bankers were pulling those strings due to financial credit unrest-if so he should have ordered congress(they would have done anything the days the market crashed and things were unfolding in 08) to print money again (greenbacks) like Lincoln did when European central bankers backed the raw material producing south over the North during the civil war. The North's credit markets closed. To keep the north funded and the economy steady in the north, lincold simply printed his own money instead of boring from our first(second actually) incarnation of a central bank. Lincoln as a few other presidents immediately understood that the European central bankers were foreign agents with foreign (self) agendas. Yeah, I would have like to see major reform come about after 2008. Instead we got consumer level reform as if the consumer was the problem that led to the financial meltdown. Obama had a major opening. A huge chink in the armor. they were exposed. Nothing really happened. We could have easily brought them to their knees. Why that didn't happen? Not sure. I know the European rothschild banking cartel had supposedly pulled out of commercial and central banking in 2006. Per Sir Evelyn de rothschild in 2006? They went "to gold." Likely assuming the meltdown was near. Gold would be the stable play. But still with as much as a $500Trillion in capital they had to find something to do with all that right? They are simply too big to fund goverments anymore. Imagine that/ so they fund mergers and acquisitions. Like when Facebook buys snapchat for 8 billion? they fund all kinds of stuff like that but regularly and some mergers in excess of $300Billion. Anyhow, either the rothschilds got out in time or were simply untouchable. But through all that, Barrack and Michelle were both perfect. Their lives, their children. everything. things didn't really get done in terms of policy except that the US was beginning to become more and more global minded. Not in terms of taking over the world. but in terms of looking out more for global interests than american interests. Still though. it looked damn near perfect. excellent execution by the entire obama family and i thank them for their service. In what they did do, they did better than any other family thats been in the WH. And there is a (good?) chance (and i'm open to it) that Barrack was actually playing double agent (appearing as a globalist) only to further advice an american-first policy later and some necessary evils had to be endured to learn more about our foreign agendas. But i fully digress. rant over. lol.


In Trump however, I now feel like I'm watching a realty TV train wreck. And yet i feel like this clown might be able to get law makers to (better?) legislate...that favors americans not citizens of the world. And that doesn't make me not care about the rest of the world. I do very much. But i have no guilt for putting americans first. But There's definitely a method to the Trump madness. an idiot savant of sorts. it's like captain jack has been elected president. And maybe he wont get anything of substance done either. its very likely he wont. and that wont make him any worse of a president than barrack or Bush or Clinton. At worst, the Trump campaign has ignited more interest and involvement in politics than ever in the country. Americans are more educated now and paying more (critical) attention to the "news" more than any other era. if for no other reason, the trump presidency has been a huge success for americans. we are beginning to pay attention. Thats a good thing. now we just got to get to a critical mass on both consciousness and truth.

No offense, but I think you're doing a lot of projecting when it comes to Trump.

I think you have a belief/hope that Trump is a certain way while ignoring/hoping some of his less savory characteristics aren't "the real him".

I mean there's nothing in Trump's history that indicates he's what you think he is.

In fact, quite the contrary.

Here, let me try it this way. trump is like the dirty old man in the room who has embraced being the dirty old man a long time ago. Because he has always done it, he gets to contunue to say the dirty old man jokes. Which are just funnier than the guy who is pretending to be the "good guy." The good guy can never deviate too far from character and say the super dirty jokes. But trump, he gets to say those things.

Taking the dirty old man metaphor into politics. Being president is actually quite a dirty job. Obama, and his admin, as polished as he was, ordered around 2500 drone strikes. 8,000-10,000 people died in those drone stikes. as surgical as they were, some children died. it's just the nature of the beast. Obama was the good guy in the room, though. His rhetoric was therefore tamer. and with tamer rhetoric comes tamer legislation and more back channeling because the "dirty job" still needs to get done to advance american agendas and protect the american people. which is why more "secret dirty missions" via use of drones occurred under obama's watch (and drone technology increased where previous options were airstrikes and boots on the ground carrying out said missions).

I like it. Or I should say, I feel more informed, that the dirty old man with the blabber mouth is in office because his private "dirty" actions are on full display publicly for all of us to learn from and judge. In fact, he brags about them. Or they get leaked by incensed americans that "can't believe" this man is president. Either way, I prefer the american be better informed of what their governement is up to and you always know what the dirty old man is up to. Seldom do you know what the extremely polished good guy is up to.

Hope that helps.

[stilldropin20]

Spoiler:

i honestly have no idea. 2009 was historic for sure. Thats the first one i even watched part of. I was very proud that day, of america in general, that an african american was elected president. American is progressing and becoming a better place. Not perfect. But better. and 2009 was a day to be a proud american. So viewership could be higher then. and it looks to me that obama had at least triple the amount of people in DC to watch it live.

And i also know that the number of cell phones world wide with "legit" streaming capabilities increased by at least a factor of 10 from 2009 to 2017. Nobody I know live streamed anything back then. they do nowadays and regularly. And people record everything nowadays and watch it later. They did then too but even more people do these days.

HD television and the devisive nature of the media and nowadays its like watching high comedy. there is an entire sideshow and its right there in HD in the palm of your hand. I mean just watching trump shake hands, his mannerisms, how many times melania blows him off in public. It's high comedy. The obama's were almost too perfect a couple and Obama almost always said the perfectly right thing. he was predictable. so he wasn't as engaging your attention and keeping it like the awkward trump can do: hating him or loving it.

As a side note(FULL RANT, lol) as polished as the obama's are/were, the trumps just make it feel like more is happeing. like they are movers and shakers. and in that regard it never felt like Obama got much of importance done. he inherited a mess so im not pointing fingers. The credit markets all but died on him early in his era so there likely wasn't much he could have (well except maybe crushing the cetral banks (if?) he had the chance?). I mean, he should have had the central banks by the balls. maybe not. Almost nothing happened but an apology tour where Obama went around and apologized to the rest of world for the US always putting its own interests first. Not sure if globalism was born under Obama but this is when i first noticed the US often and overly put citizens of the rest of the world before americans. Not sure if european bankers were pulling those strings due to financial credit unrest-if so he should have ordered congress(they would have done anything the days the market crashed and things were unfolding in 08) to print money again (greenbacks) like Lincoln did when European central bankers backed the raw material producing south over the North during the civil war. The North's credit markets closed. To keep the north funded and the economy steady in the north, lincold simply printed his own money instead of boring from our first(second actually) incarnation of a central bank. Lincoln as a few other presidents immediately understood that the European central bankers were foreign agents with foreign (self) agendas. Yeah, I would have like to see major reform come about after 2008. Instead we got consumer level reform as if the consumer was the problem that led to the financial meltdown. Obama had a major opening. A huge chink in the armor. they were exposed. Nothing really happened. We could have easily brought them to their knees. Why that didn't happen? Not sure. I know the European rothschild banking cartel had supposedly pulled out of commercial and central banking in 2006. Per Sir Evelyn de rothschild in 2006? They went "to gold." Likely assuming the meltdown was near. Gold would be the stable play. But still with as much as a $500Trillion in capital they had to find something to do with all that right? They are simply too big to fund goverments anymore. Imagine that/ so they fund mergers and acquisitions. Like when Facebook buys snapchat for 8 billion? they fund all kinds of stuff like that but regularly and some mergers in excess of $300Billion. Anyhow, either the rothschilds got out in time or were simply untouchable. But through all that, Barrack and Michelle were both perfect. Their lives, their children. everything. things didn't really get done in terms of policy except that the US was beginning to become more and more global minded. Not in terms of taking over the world. but in terms of looking out more for global interests than american interests. Still though. it looked damn near perfect. excellent execution by the entire obama family and i thank them for their service. In what they did do, they did better than any other family thats been in the WH. And there is a (good?) chance (and i'm open to it) that Barrack was actually playing double agent (appearing as a globalist) only to further advice an american-first policy later and some necessary evils had to be endured to learn more about our foreign agendas. But i fully digress. rant over. lol.


In Trump however, I now feel like I'm watching a realty TV train wreck. And yet i feel like this clown might be able to get law makers to (better?) legislate...that favors americans not citizens of the world. And that doesn't make me not care about the rest of the world. I do very much. But i have no guilt for putting americans first. But There's definitely a method to the Trump madness. an idiot savant of sorts. it's like captain jack has been elected president. And maybe he wont get anything of substance done either. its very likely he wont. and that wont make him any worse of a president than barrack or Bush or Clinton. At worst, the Trump campaign has ignited more interest and involvement in politics than ever in the country. Americans are more educated now and paying more (critical) attention to the "news" more than any other era. if for no other reason, the trump presidency has been a huge success for americans. we are beginning to pay attention. Thats a good thing. now we just got to get to a critical mass on both consciousness and truth.

No offense, but I think you're doing a lot of projecting when it comes to Trump.

I think you have a belief/hope that Trump is a certain way while ignoring/hoping some of his less savory characteristics aren't "the real him".

I mean there's nothing in Trump's history that indicates he's what you think he is.

In fact, quite the contrary.

Agreed. As I've mentioned before, I've been following New York media since the 1970s, and thus am quite familiar with Trump's persona as a very high profile and very public celeb. There are 40+ years worth of former employees, former associates, former partners, former wives, court cases, intern=views, press clippings, etc. revealing then behind-the-scenes. There isn't really anything left to find out. There doesn't appear to be any real difference between the public Trump and the private Trump, between the thoughts in his head and the words coming out of his mouth. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see why anyone would have any realistic/specific expectations of him.

I think his loose cannon dirty old man in the room approach makes him easy to talk to. And his make a deal with anyone because he's so desperate to look productive demeanor is actually going to result in him making more deals.

I think the US needs change. Somehow, someway this guy is actually going to bring about some change. Let's hop its for the better.

And you have to admire any politician that runs on a specific platform and then tries everything under the sun implement those campaign policies. agree or disagree with the policy, he is doing everything he can to implement the platform he ran on. I happen to strongly disagree with at least some of it. But I admire a politician that sticks to his word. Future politicians can learn something from him in that regard.

[Zonkerbl]

Why stop there? I know some homeless guys who are HILARIOUS. Let's elect them!

[Wizardspride]

Spoiler:

No offense, but I think you're doing a lot of projecting when it comes to Trump.

I think you have a belief/hope that Trump is a certain way while ignoring/hoping some of his less savory characteristics aren't "the real him".

I mean there's nothing in Trump's history that indicates he's what you think he is.

In fact, quite the contrary.

Agreed. As I've mentioned before, I've been following New York media since the 1970s, and thus am quite familiar with Trump's persona as a very high profile and very public celeb. There are 40+ years worth of former employees, former associates, former partners, former wives, court cases, intern=views, press clippings, etc. revealing then behind-the-scenes. There isn't really anything left to find out. There doesn't appear to be any real difference between the public Trump and the private Trump, between the thoughts in his head and the words coming out of his mouth. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see why anyone would have any realistic/specific expectations of him.

I think his loose cannon dirty old man in the room approach makes him easy to talk to. And his make a deal with anyone because he's so desperate to look productive demeanor is actually going to result in him making more deals.

I think the US needs change. Somehow, someway this guy is actually going to bring about some change. Let's hop its for the better.

And you have to admire any politician that runs on a specific platform and then tries everything under the sun implement those campaign policies. agree or disagree with the policy, he is doing everything he can to implement the platform he ran on. I happen to strongly disagree with at least some of it. But I admire a politician that sticks to his word. Future politicians can learn something from him in that regard.

I just find it odd that you voted for Obama (three times), voted for Sanders and yet seem to be an enthusiastic supporter of Trump.

Basically, you're supporting the man who questioned the citizenship of the person you voted for (three times), implied he only got into Harvard because of his race, accused him of illegal wiretapping, is trying to demolish his greatest accomplish (the ACA) etc etc.

In essence Trump is in direct opposition to everything Obama/Sanders stand for.

I understand being an independent to an extent but you have to have some certain core principals.

It's like being a Redskins and Cowboys fan.