Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

[Ruzious]

Another purpose I see, a possible purpose at least, is along the lines of your suggestion to perhaps sign Jabari Parker to see whether a still young and obviously gifted athlete will finally put it together. In the nature of things, that's a long shot, but there can be individual cases where the argument to do it is strong.

I think there is a good chance that Parker gets signed by the Wizards to a relatively high 1 year deal. He might want a multi-year deal, but I don't see any team being that interested in offering it. The Wizards will have luxury tax space and a big deal for Parker could be a way to use it.

Jabari may be young in age but he's got the wear and tear of much older player due to the significant injuries.

Watching him closely... I think the wild variance in his performances is related to how he's feeling. Somedays he's just looks just a little more explosive than others.

He's probably a guy you should be resting on back to backs. The new key phrase "load management" should apply here as well.

Being in a better shape would help as well. I wonder if his head is in the right place after big chunk of his career has been spent in rehab.

However even at his healthiest, two things he never did well: defend or shoot jumpers which always muted his impact.

So I don't know if he's worth the hassle.

Agreed - and staying in shape has always been an issue with him. The only way I sign him is to a 1 year make-good contract at 5 mil or less. Add a team option for a second year, and maybe I'd give him a hair over 5 mil.

[payitforward]

...The only way I sign (Jabari Parker) is to a 1 year make-good contract at 5 mil or less. Add a team option for a second year, and maybe I'd give him a hair over 5 mil.

I wouldn't sign him at all except with a 2d year option. On a one-year deal, if he plays badly (as is most likely) we've wasted the $$, & if he plays well we either lose him or are forced to meet a market-value offer.

That's not enough upside for taking a long shot. The 2d year of the contract has to be a bargain. Otherwise, don't bother.

[nate33]

I'm assuming we resign Sato and Bryant. And Howard sticks around. That make our rotation look something like this:

PG Sato/Brown
SG Beal/Brown
SF ???/???
PF ???/???
C Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi

I figure we draft someone to start at forward, or maybe Brown starts and we draft his backup. But there are three other forward spots. One hopefully goes to Dekker on a cheap contract, but he's ideally a backup. We can use the MLE to find the other guy. But who? What forward is out there that might sign for the full MLE that we'd actually be comfortable starting?

Looking at the potential free agents, and assuming we want a younger guy, there aren't a lot of exciting names. There's Justice Winslow, Kelly Oubre, Kent Bazemore, Tyreke Evans, JaMychal Green, Bobby Portis, Noah Vonleh...

Of that group, I think Vonleh might be the best fit. Sign Vonleh and draft Hunter and start them at forward. Bring Dekker and Green off the bench (both on vet minimum deals). The defense and rebounding should be much improved.

I could see some issues with re-signing Sato and Bryant even though it's important to do it.
Sato -
He's been disrespected by Brook every year. He hides it well but has to resent it.
Probably would like to play on a decent team, which won't happen here.
Maybe wants (or not) to get out of the political spot light. Saw he just refused to meet with the Czech prime minister.
Wizards may draft another PG. That's not a bad idea, but Sato wouldn't appreciate.
Maybe gets a good offer in Europe if Wiz won't let him go to another NBA team.

Bryant -
Again, disrespected by Brooks. Crazy that he's our best center and not getting enough PT.
Howard will come back, and Bryant sees what will happen. Again relegated to the bench in favor of Brook's favored veteran.
Maybe would like to play on a good team.
Others disagree, but I think that he'll cost about 12M. He's not a traditional center but more along the lines of the Capella/Siakams, who are so valuable these days.

Great team -
PG - ?,?
SG - Beal, ?
SF - Brown, ?
PF - ?,?
C - Howard, Mahinmi

The Gilbert Arenas provision applies with Bryant. He won't be paid more than the MLE for the next two years.

And I don't think Bryant is anything like Capella and Siakam. What makes those guys so good is their ability to switch and guard wings. Bryant can't do that.

I agree with your points about Sato, but Sato's wishes don't matter all that much. He's a restricted free agent (as is Bryant for that matter). I don't think anyone will offer more than the MLE because I don't think a team goes through the trouble of getting under the cap just to go out and sign a 28-year-old role player like Sato. And if anyone offers the full MLE, I think the Wizards will match (or they should, anyway).

[Ruzious]

...The only way I sign (Jabari Parker) is to a 1 year make-good contract at 5 mil or less. Add a team option for a second year, and maybe I'd give him a hair over 5 mil.

I wouldn't sign him at all except with a 2d year option. On a one-year deal, if he plays badly (as is most likely) we've wasted the $$, & if he plays well we either lose him or are forced to meet a market-value offer.

That's not enough upside for taking a long shot. The 2d year of the contract has to be a bargain. Otherwise, don't bother.

Good points, but you would have to pay him significantly more if you include a team option, and if he does play well, that's a good thing, and he probably should get paid more.

[NatP4]

Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis for Otto Porter. Dream trade

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...The only way I sign (Jabari Parker) is to a 1 year make-good contract at 5 mil or less. Add a team option for a second year, and maybe I'd give him a hair over 5 mil.

I wouldn't sign him at all except with a 2d year option. On a one-year deal, if he plays badly (as is most likely) we've wasted the $$, & if he plays well we either lose him or are forced to meet a market-value offer.

That's not enough upside for taking a long shot. The 2d year of the contract has to be a bargain. Otherwise, don't bother.

Good points, but you would have to pay him significantly more if you include a team option, and if he does play well, that's a good thing, and he probably should get paid more.

True enough. On both counts.

[nate33]

Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis for Otto Porter. Dream trade

Good grief! Could you please stop? You've made your point.

Porter is certainly better than either Parker or Portis, but quit ignoring the contract aspect of this. If we resign one of Parker/Portis for, say, $10-12M, then you are comparing Parker/Portis at $10M to Porter at $27M. That's an entirely different comparison. That extra $17M allows us to keep Sato and Bryant, for example. So it's really comparing Porter versus Bryant + Sato + Portis. Now which is better?

[payitforward]

Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis for Otto Porter. Dream trade

...Porter is certainly better than either Parker or Portis, but quit ignoring the contract aspect of this. If we resign one of Parker/Portis for, say, $10-12M, then you are comparing Parker/Portis at $10M to Porter at $27M. That's an entirely different comparison. That extra $17M allows us to keep Sato and Bryant, for example. So it's really comparing Porter versus Bryant + Sato + Portis. Now which is better?

Tho I could be wrong, & I can't speak for him, in this case I took Nat to be making an attempt at humor: i.e. he was suggesting we trade Parker & Portis for Porter: "a dream trade."

Your core point is certainly a good one, nate. B/c of cap/luxury tax issues, we were never going to be able to keep all of the "big 3." I agree, obviously, as I had been saying the same thing over the months.

It's been observed repeatedly & maybe doesn't bear repeating, but we both know what the optimal way would have been to deal with that problem: take the Lakers offer for Wall. Foolishly, Ernie didn't do that -- or, who knows, maybe he wanted to, & Ted vetoed it on marketing grounds.

Either way, once injury rendered him untradable... no need to continue. It's spilt milk, & you are right that there's no real reason to keep talking about it.

[Dat2U]

I'm assuming we resign Sato and Bryant. And Howard sticks around. That make our rotation look something like this:

PG Sato/Brown
SG Beal/Brown
SF ???/???
PF ???/???
C Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi

I figure we draft someone to start at forward, or maybe Brown starts and we draft his backup. But there are three other forward spots. One hopefully goes to Dekker on a cheap contract, but he's ideally a backup. We can use the MLE to find the other guy. But who? What forward is out there that might sign for the full MLE that we'd actually be comfortable starting?

Looking at the potential free agents, and assuming we want a younger guy, there aren't a lot of exciting names. There's Justice Winslow, Kelly Oubre, Kent Bazemore, Tyreke Evans, JaMychal Green, Bobby Portis, Noah Vonleh...

Of that group, I think Vonleh might be the best fit. Sign Vonleh and draft Hunter and start them at forward. Bring Dekker and Green off the bench (both on vet minimum deals). The defense and rebounding should be much improved.

I could see some issues with re-signing Sato and Bryant even though it's important to do it.
Sato -
He's been disrespected by Brook every year. He hides it well but has to resent it.
Probably would like to play on a decent team, which won't happen here.
Maybe wants (or not) to get out of the political spot light. Saw he just refused to meet with the Czech prime minister.
Wizards may draft another PG. That's not a bad idea, but Sato wouldn't appreciate.
Maybe gets a good offer in Europe if Wiz won't let him go to another NBA team.

Bryant -
Again, disrespected by Brooks. Crazy that he's our best center and not getting enough PT.
Howard will come back, and Bryant sees what will happen. Again relegated to the bench in favor of Brook's favored veteran.
Maybe would like to play on a good team.
Others disagree, but I think that he'll cost about 12M. He's not a traditional center but more along the lines of the Capella/Siakams, who are so valuable these days.

Great team -
PG - ?,?
SG - Beal, ?
SF - Brown, ?
PF - ?,?
C - Howard, Mahinmi

The Gilbert Arenas provision applies with Bryant. He won't be paid more than the MLE for the next two years.

And I don't think Bryant is anything like Capella and Siakam. What makes those guys so good is their ability to switch and guard wings. Bryant can't do that.

I agree with your points about Sato, but Sato's wishes don't matter all that much. He's a restricted free agent (as is Bryant for that matter). I don't think anyone will offer more than the MLE because I don't think a team goes through the trouble of getting under the cap just to go out and sign a 28-year-old role player like Sato. And if anyone offers the full MLE, I think the Wizards will match (or they should, anyway).

I don't think Bryant gets alot in FA. Neither would Portis. I wouldn't even give Portis the QO but that's just me. I'd be surprised if any team makes an offer on Bryant though. He's still under the radar. There are a lot of decent Cs available. Only the Wizards would likely consider throwing big money at a role playing C in this market.

Sato may have suitors but I agree that I don't see anything bigger than an MLE sized offer coming and even that may be a stretch. I see $6-8 mil per as he'll likely be undervalued as well.

The problem is once you've resigned those two and if were figuring Brown may be a 3rd guard, then we've got a gaping hole that's the F position.

Unfortunately for payitforward Sam Dekker is not going to be able to play 96 minutes a night.

[Dat2U]

Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis for Otto Porter. Dream trade

Good grief! Could you please stop? You've made your point.

Porter is certainly better than either Parker or Portis, but quit ignoring the contract aspect of this. If we resign one of Parker/Portis for, say, $10-12M, then you are comparing Parker/Portis at $10M to Porter at $27M. That's an entirely different comparison. That extra $17M allows us to keep Sato and Bryant, for example. So it's really comparing Porter versus Bryant + Sato + Portis. Now which is better?

That's not a fair comparison. Other moves could have been made.

But don't get me wrong. I was open to moving Porter but not for that poo platter of trash we got.

Two net negative players. We look at their occasional outbursts with pts and rebounds to help us forget that bout are miserable defenders that YOU CANT EVEN PLAY TOGETHER!!!

But the panic of waiting till the last day to get under the tax forced our hand with Otto's value at his absolute lowest during his time in DC.

[payitforward]

...Porter is certainly better than either Parker or Portis, but quit ignoring the contract aspect of this. If we resign one of Parker/Portis for, say, $10-12M, then you are comparing Parker/Portis at $10M to Porter at $27M. That's an entirely different comparison. That extra $17M allows us to keep Sato and Bryant, for example. So it's really comparing Porter versus Bryant + Sato + Portis. Now which is better?

That's not a fair comparison. Other moves could have been made.... But the panic of waiting till the last day to get under the tax forced our hand with Otto's value at his absolute lowest during his time in DC.

I don't think anyone would call me a supporter of Ernie, , but it was the injury to Wall combined with Otto's off season that put us in a poor position to trade.

...Oh, and multiplied by Ernie's incomprehensible habits & his lack of ability -- to be sure! If only he'd taken that blasted deal with the Lakers!

[payitforward]

Unfortunately for payitforward Sam Dekker is not going to be able to play 96 minutes a night.

LOL.

But, I don't mean to over-value Sam Dekker on an absolute scale, dat -- he's no Trevor Booker.

More seriously, the point is that Sam is just a tremendous bargain for the $ he'll command. Obviously, in our current situation, we need as many players of that ilk as we can possibly get.

[dckingsfan]

Jabari Parker and Bobby Portis for Otto Porter. Dream trade

Green font is your friend my friend...

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Jaxson Hayes (1st round pick)
Thomas Bryant
Bobby Portis
Jeff Green
Jabari Parker
Sam Dekker
Trevor Ariza
Wesley Johnson
Troy Brown
Bradley Beal
Tomas Satoransky
Jerian Grant (free agent signing)
Jaylen Hands (2nd round pick)


I'm more or less thinking out loud.... But I like this as a roster, is this something from a salary cap / lux tax situation that would even be feasible ??

Is moving Wall possible ??

[Dat2U]

Jaxson Hayes (1st round pick)
Thomas Bryant
Bobby Portis
Jeff Green
Jabari Parker
Sam Dekker
Trevor Ariza
Wesley Johnson
Troy Brown
Bradley Beal
Tomas Satoransky
Jerian Grant (free agent signing)
Jaylen Hands (2nd round pick)


I'm more or less thinking out loud.... But I like this as a roster, is this something from a salary cap / lux tax situation that would even be feasible ??

Is moving Wall possible ??

No, moving Wall is not possible.

Hayes is a fine prospect. But how many resources should we invest into the C positon?

I think our F situation is wretched. Are we really keeping both Ariza & Green and expecting them to start next year? If Brown is our 3rd guard were looking at a bare slate.

Parker & Portis are not playable together. Lots of evidence of this.

Wesley Johnson should not return.

[Dat2U]

Unfortunately for payitforward Sam Dekker is not going to be able to play 96 minutes a night.

LOL.

But, I don't mean to over-value Sam Dekker on an absolute scale, dat -- he's no Trevor Booker.

More seriously, the point is that Sam is just a tremendous bargain for the $ he'll command. Obviously, in our current situation, we need as many players of that ilk as we can possibly get.

Considering the Fs currently on our roster, Dekker is the only one that probably should be back. I'm still not sold on him but were rebuilding anyway and he's the only F that could possibly amount to something in the future, especially if were looking at Troy Brown Jr as a guard going forward.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Jaxson Hayes (1st round pick)
Thomas Bryant
Bobby Portis
Jeff Green
Jabari Parker
Sam Dekker
Trevor Ariza
Wesley Johnson
Troy Brown
Bradley Beal
Tomas Satoransky
Jerian Grant (free agent signing)
Jaylen Hands (2nd round pick)


I'm more or less thinking out loud.... But I like this as a roster, is this something from a salary cap / lux tax situation that would even be feasible ??

Is moving Wall possible ??

No, moving Wall is not possible.

Hayes is a fine prospect. But how many resources should we invest into the C positon?

I think our F situation is wretched. Are we really keeping both Ariza & Green and expecting them to start next year? If Brown is our 3rd guard were looking at a bare slate.

Parker & Portis are not playable together. Lots of evidence of this.

Wesley Johnson should not return.

Why can't they play together? Depending on matchups, Jaxson Hayes eventually would start at C, with Portis and Parker at the 4 and 3 respectively. Parker looks out of shape from all the injuries, I expect he can shed significant body fat this offseason. Hayes gives you a rim protector behind them, I'd also look at Fernando.

Bryant, Green, Ariza would come off the bench. Again, this is all based on matchups... You could certainly see Portis 5, Parker 4, at times, Ariza at 3, or Dekker, etc. Or maybe Ariza starts and Parker is 6th man, that's fine. I see Green off the bench unless injury forces him into the starting spot.

Why don't you like Johnson on the bench? I mean this all comes down to salary. I want to move Wall, even if we take a bad contract back in return. I like Grant to come in and give us depth, D, and compete with Sato, with Hands to develop as a future starter.

[Illmatic12]

This draft is an opportunity to add a versatile two-way player to the Wizards core. Regardless of position, they need guys who are versatile and can fill multiple roles. Drafting a raw Jaxson Hayes is completely antithetical to that.

Not to mention, Washington already has 4 centers on the roster for next year. If nothing else that demonstrates how easy it is to find options at the C position instead of wasting a high draft pick.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Trade Wall + 2020 1st round pick + Aaron White to Sacramento for Bogdonovic\Bjelica + 2019 2nd round pick (40).


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7184385



Jaxson Hayes (1st round pick)
Thomas Bryant
Bobby Portis
Nemanja Bjelica (trade)
Jabari Parker
Sam Dekker
Trevor Ariza
Bogdan Bogdanovic (trade)
Troy Brown
Bradley Beal
Tomas Satoransky
Jerian Grant (free agent signing)
Jaylen Hands (2nd round pick)


Also with this scenario letting Green and Johnson go, replaced by Bjelica and Bogdanovic.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

This draft is an opportunity to add a versatile two-way player to the Wizards core. Regardless of position, they need guys who are versatile and can fill multiple roles.

Like Troy Brown Jr. ?