Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[daoneandonly]

Fascinating watching the mind of a simpleton at work.

More fascinating watching someone who contributes nothing to American society, taxes, etc chime in with his irrelevant opinions, meanwhile owe thousands in back child support for the kids he abandoned

[daoneandonly]

And there you have it - you can't differentiate bad behavior from bad policy.

There is no reason to defend those who abuse drugs (with the exception of those that have mental illness issues). Or to defend those that have committed heinous crimes.

But there is also no reason to defend policies that have set our country back fiscally, morally and to the detriment of other aspects of government. The war on drugs has been an abject failure but seeing through the lens of "evil marijuana smokers" doesn't allow you to see that. Instead it just drives you to wanting bigger government and spending other peoples money.

Spending other people's money, no sir, thats the liberal way of life. it's how we're going to double the minimum wage, why we have a progressive tax bracket instead of a flat tax one, how we can wipe out student debt, fund PP, all paid for and brought to you by other people without benefiting the a good chunk of those that are fitting the bill. Unlike the criminal justice system, dont me wrong, its severely flawed. But a criminal and drug user behind bars instead of the streets is money well spent, as the general public is safer as a result. Just look at all the lefties up in arms when a known criminal's death sentence is about to come to fruition, they dont think the victims deserve justice.

And here we go - deflecting again.

You are here you are advocating spending other folks money to put marijuana users behind bars. You advocate not taxing and spending... just saying - just own up to it.

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

[dobrojim]

Seems to be that this inquiry is karma or the chickens coming home to roost.

For years the GOP has made effective use of literal actual fake news
ie things like Swift boat vets, Benghazi etc.

Now that they have a President who is wholly incapable of robust critical
thinking he fell victim to apparently believing the whack job theories that
the election interference was by UKR and not Russia. He attempted to
act on that belief in a desperate manner. Combine that with a complete
lack of understanding the importance of conduct within established norms
not to mention I think legal and Constitutional guidelines and you have a political
disaster no matter whether or not it leads to removal from office.

Karma’s a b!tch. Welcome home chickens.

[Pointgod]

You should have quit while you were ahead. The left have no right to ever utter the word accountable given all that they support with respect to never wanting to hold people accountable

Dude, your view of liberals is the same one Tucker Carlson invents every night.

Not really, stances like stupid on crime, stupid on drugs instead of blaming the actual individuals, path to citizenship without any repercussions for illegal immigrants, and doubling the minimum wage echo the non accountable mantra

As someone who claims to have Christian values you use every opportunity to not apply what you preach.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

I mean, great! If you want an answer to the "so what?" it's that you you're more interested in punishing people than actually solving any problems. Punishment is rarely a solution. Sometimes there isn't time/opportunity to seek a solution but in cases like that, punishment isn't really a thing, either. Are you for trying to reduce crime, or are you for punishing criminals? You can't actually have both in this case. And yes, you're for spending other people's money in order to punish criminals. Punishing those criminals won't actually reduce crime for the people who's money you're spending, either. What do they get out of it? Your own personal sense of self-satisfaction?

[dckingsfan]

Spending other people's money, no sir, thats the liberal way of life. it's how we're going to double the minimum wage, why we have a progressive tax bracket instead of a flat tax one, how we can wipe out student debt, fund PP, all paid for and brought to you by other people without benefiting the a good chunk of those that are fitting the bill. Unlike the criminal justice system, dont me wrong, its severely flawed. But a criminal and drug user behind bars instead of the streets is money well spent, as the general public is safer as a result. Just look at all the lefties up in arms when a known criminal's death sentence is about to come to fruition, they dont think the victims deserve justice.

And here we go - deflecting again.

You are here you are advocating spending other folks money to put marijuana users behind bars. You advocate not taxing and spending... just saying - just own up to it.

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

Gotcha - then raise taxes for other people to pay for those programs for you

Me - I am on the opposite side of this one. There is no good in incarcerating someone smoking marijuana. There is a large cost with no benefit. Kind of like the folks in the prohibition days when they figured out there was no reason to incarcerate those evil beer drinkers.

I would rather save the taxpayer a few bucks...

[daoneandonly]

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

I mean, great! If you want an answer to the "so what?" it's that you you're more interested in punishing people than actually solving any problems. Punishment is rarely a solution. Sometimes there isn't time/opportunity to seek a solution but in cases like that, punishment isn't really a thing, either. Are you for trying to reduce crime, or are you for punishing criminals? You can't actually have both in this case. And yes, you're for spending other people's money in order to punish criminals. Punishing those criminals won't actually reduce crime for the people who's money you're spending, either. What do they get out of it? Your own personal sense of self-satisfaction?

So what's your solution/alternative? Free reign to do whatever you want? Again it all goes back to accountability. People who break the law should be held accountable. People who abuse drugs they weren't prescribed, meaning they have no reason/excuse to take them in the first place, shouldnt be granted a pass.

What do I get out of PP being open? Nothing. What do I get out of the proposed doubling of the minimum wage? Nothing. But mine and yours dollars go and will go there. AT least in the criminal justice scenario, there's one less drug dealer, thief, rapist, murderer, etc on the streets, thats a win for everyone in my book.

[daoneandonly]

And here we go - deflecting again.

You are here you are advocating spending other folks money to put marijuana users behind bars. You advocate not taxing and spending... just saying - just own up to it.

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

Gotcha - then raise taxes for other people to pay for those programs for you

Me - I am on the opposite side of this one. There is no good in incarcerating someone smoking marijuana. There is a large cost with no benefit. Kind of like the folks in the prohibition days when they figured out there was no reason to incarcerate those evil beer drinkers.

I would rather save the taxpayer a few bucks...

How about saving us a few backs by not funding PP? How about not doing a student forgiveness blast where we'll end up fitting the bill? As we also would if the minimum wage is doubled. Why can't we save there too?

[daoneandonly]

Dude, your view of liberals is the same one Tucker Carlson invents every night.

Not really, stances like stupid on crime, stupid on drugs instead of blaming the actual individuals, path to citizenship without any repercussions for illegal immigrants, and doubling the minimum wage echo the non accountable mantra

As someone who claims to have Christian values you use every opportunity to not apply what you preach.

Where have I preached it? This is the argument the left continues to peddle. I am a believer and saved by His grace yes, but that has nothing to do with politics nor this forum. This is about accountability, the word the left tucks their tail between their legs and runs from.

WHy shouldn't criminals be held accountable for their crimes/acts? Why should ppl who came here illegally be granted amnesty when so many other immigrants busted their humps and did it the right way?

[dckingsfan]

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

Gotcha - then raise taxes for other people to pay for those programs for you

Me - I am on the opposite side of this one. There is no good in incarcerating someone smoking marijuana. There is a large cost with no benefit. Kind of like the folks in the prohibition days when they figured out there was no reason to incarcerate those evil beer drinkers.

I would rather save the taxpayer a few bucks...

How about saving us a few backs by not funding PP? How about not doing a student forgiveness blast where we'll end up fitting the bill? As we also would if the minimum wage is doubled. Why can't we save there too?

A deflection. PP isn't even a rounding error when compared to costs of incarceration. You happily spend other people's money on non beneficial projects.

[dckingsfan]

I do own up to it, id rather my money go to the criminal justice world than PP, student debt forgiveness, increase minimum wage, so what?

I mean, great! If you want an answer to the "so what?" it's that you you're more interested in punishing people than actually solving any problems. Punishment is rarely a solution. Sometimes there isn't time/opportunity to seek a solution but in cases like that, punishment isn't really a thing, either. Are you for trying to reduce crime, or are you for punishing criminals? You can't actually have both in this case. And yes, you're for spending other people's money in order to punish criminals. Punishing those criminals won't actually reduce crime for the people who's money you're spending, either. What do they get out of it? Your own personal sense of self-satisfaction?

So what's your solution/alternative? Free reign to do whatever you want? Again it all goes back to accountability. People who break the law should be held accountable. People who abuse drugs they weren't prescribed, meaning they have no reason/excuse to take them in the first place, shouldnt be granted a pass.

Same stupid arguments that were made during prohibition.

[queridiculo]

Same stupid arguments that were made during prohibition.

Ones and zeros baby, it's either good, or it's bad - there is no middle ground.

You got raped? Tough luck, here's a baby.

Made a mistake? **** you, do the time.

You're poor? **** you, work harder.

Sick and in need of care? **** you, die.

There is no room for nuance or compassion or thinking things through in the binary world of anger and zealotry.

We're good, you're bad, **** you, I'm not listening, nananananana.

[daoneandonly]

Gotcha - then raise taxes for other people to pay for those programs for you

Me - I am on the opposite side of this one. There is no good in incarcerating someone smoking marijuana. There is a large cost with no benefit. Kind of like the folks in the prohibition days when they figured out there was no reason to incarcerate those evil beer drinkers.

I would rather save the taxpayer a few bucks...

How about saving us a few backs by not funding PP? How about not doing a student forgiveness blast where we'll end up fitting the bill? As we also would if the minimum wage is doubled. Why can't we save there too?

A deflection. PP isn't even a rounding error when compared to costs of incarceration. You happily spend other people's money on non beneficial projects.

And all you do is make excuse after excuse. None of the things mentioned benefit anyone. You can talk costs all you want, say PP only costs each taxpayer 10 cents, which is doesnt. I could use that 10 cents to buy an airhead candy from Party City, and I'd much rather do so than fund them. They serve no purpose to my life, nor does doubling the min wage, student debt forgiveness, etc.

But keep defending the known gateway drugs, and sign off on cocaine, heroin, meth while you're at it. Ignoring the fact that so many folks on marjuiana related offenses have already been released

[daoneandonly]

Yeah there's logic by once again, a guy who doesnt give the US economy 1 cent, so has no contribution to speak of

0.5% of abortions are because of rape, but yeah keep going to that and ignore the 92.% that are "just because"

Made a mistake? dont worry, whether its rape, murder, drug dealing, assault, robbery, mistakes happen, here's a free pass, no accountability for your actions, no justice for your victims

[dckingsfan]

How about saving us a few backs by not funding PP? How about not doing a student forgiveness blast where we'll end up fitting the bill? As we also would if the minimum wage is doubled. Why can't we save there too?

A deflection. PP isn't even a rounding error when compared to costs of incarceration. You happily spend other people's money on non beneficial projects.

And all you do is make excuse after excuse. None of the things mentioned benefit anyone. You can talk costs all you want, say PP only costs each taxpayer 10 cents, which is doesnt. I could use that 10 cents to buy an airhead candy from Party City, and I'd much rather do so than fund them. They serve no purpose to my life, nor does doubling the min wage, student debt forgiveness, etc.

But keep defending the known gateway drugs, and sign off on cocaine, heroin, meth while you're at it. Ignoring the fact that so many folks on marjuiana related offenses have already been released

Yep - you are a spend and not taxer for programs that aren't working. But instead of digging into what should be terminated - you redouble your defenses without doing the research.

[Ruzious]

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It seems like we were making good progress for a bunch of years, but when you elect a horrific person to be president and let him have his ways, it's obvious the progress we made was just covering up the mess we really are. And that's... just the way it is.

[dobrojim]

Promises made, promises broken.

Kinda like the most ethical of the 4.

edit to add - even more like him with regard to holding policy positions
just because they sound like something to support. No need to become
aware of actual facts. 1, 0, 1, 0....integers only.

[pancakes3]

dumb.

[Wizardspride]

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[daoneandonly]

Promises made, promises broken.

Kinda like the most ethical of the 4.

edit to add - even more like him with regard to holding policy positions
just because they sound like something to support. No need to become
aware of actual facts. 1, 0, 1, 0....integers only.

Except im not the one who brought it up, try scrolling up and treating ppl fairly, i talked about accountability throughout without once mentioning it. The whole conversation got started with a lib poster talking about how we conservatives dont hold Trump accountable. Yet all of the responses deflect & ignore the various examples where Dems fear and avoid accountability like the plague

But no lets forgive criminals cause they made an honest mistake. People who come from the 3rd world can make a life here without leeching on others, but no, lets give hand outs galore but not try & help ppl become self sufficient