2021 Draft Thread - Part II

Shoe · Post #401 » by **Shoe** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:55 pm

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Frichuela · Post #402 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:18 pm

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Allegedly Chris Duarte has a few suitors...including us...

Frichuela · Post #403 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:25 pm

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Shoe · Post #404 » by **Shoe** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:27 pm

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Allegedly Chris Duarte may be a few suitors...including us...

Yep, Duarte and Kispert are the least 'rebuild' players in the draft. If the Lakers think we want one of them, then they also think we're not trading Russ or Beal.

prime1time · Post #405 » by **prime1time** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:41 pm

payitforward wrote:Imagine the following:

we wind up with #7 & 14 via a Beal trade. Then we trade our #15 to the Knicks for #19 & 21 (as has been rumored). To make that work, they are willing to take Hutchison in return for their #32.

We draft:

Jonathon Kuminga (#7)
Chris Duarte (#14)
Usman Garuba (#15)
Sharife Cooper (#19)
Jaden Springer (#21)
Joe Wieskamp (#32)

That's one hell of a start on a rebuild, wouldn't you say?

These kinds of moves are only good on paper. Contract extensions would all come up at the same time and none of those players are moving the needle. Here's a simple fact, rebuilds don't start until you have a player that has the chance to become a star. Just collecting young players doesn't really do anything. We'd be better of trading Beal for Ingram and a bunch of future draft picks than turning Beal into 4 average players and Kuminga (a player that is 4 years away). Basically, we'd be the Knicks of the pre-Randle and Thibs.

prime1time · Post #406 » by **prime1time** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:46 pm

I wouldn't really buy too much into the pre-draft posturing. Tommy always does a good job of playing this close to the chest.

payitforward · Post #407 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:52 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:Imagine the following:

we wind up with #7 & 14 via a Beal trade. Then we trade our #15 to the Knicks for #19 & 21 (as has been rumored). To make that work, they are willing to take Hutchison in return for their #32.

We draft:

Jonathon Kuminga (#7)
Chris Duarte (#14)
Usman Garuba (#15)
Sharife Cooper (#19)
Jaden Springer (#21)
Joe Wieskamp (#32)

That's one hell of a start on a rebuild, wouldn't you say?

I'd be fine with these picks...for the most part. But if I had my druthers one of the picks in the teens would be Moody, Kispert or Murphy. And I'd draft Ziaire Williams. I love his upside.

It would be tossup for me on whether to draft Kuminga or Bouknight with the 7th pick. Although in a teardown and rebuild situation (where patience will be the clarion call) Kuminga would probably be the right pick.

In my first draft of this... fantasy (that's what it is!) I had Kispert at 15. But I'd be hard put to turn away from Garuba.

So in my 2d draft, I had Murphy at 19. But I didn't want to disappoint Dat.

So I did a draft where we also buy a R2 pick & take your guy Herb Jones. But I figured I'd already pushed my luck.

So this is where I wound up. Arrived at by way of "genuine 100% guaranteed professional GM thinking!"

payitforward · Post #408 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:06 pm

prime1time wrote:
payitforward wrote:Imagine the following:

we wind up with #7 & 14 via a Beal trade. Then we trade our #15 to the Knicks for #19 & 21 (as has been rumored). To make that work, they are willing to take Hutchison in return for their #32.

We draft:

Jonathon Kuminga (#7)
Chris Duarte (#14)
Usman Garuba (#15)
Sharife Cooper (#19)
Jaden Springer (#21)
Joe Wieskamp (#32)

That's one hell of a start on a rebuild, wouldn't you say?

These kinds of moves are only good on paper. Contract extensions would all come up at the same time and none of those players are moving the needle. Here's a simple fact, rebuilds don't start until you have a player that has the chance to become a star. Just collecting young players doesn't really do anything. We'd be better of trading Beal for Ingram and a bunch of future draft picks than turning Beal into 4 average players and Kuminga (a player that is 4 years away). Basically, we'd be the Knicks of the pre-Randle and Thibs.

No paper was used in the construction of this scenario.

But, you will recall, I did call it "a fantasy." To my knowledge no team has ever come out of a draft with 6 rookies. Really what this scenario is two things: first off it's a way to work off excess nervous energy at a rather weird moment in Wizards history; secondly, it's a way of representing the fact that this is a hell of a deep draft, & anything we do to get 1 or more extra picks will be a good idea.

As to who is or isn't "moving the needle," I'm pretty sure none of us know that. I don't, that's for sure. & you don't, that's equally sure. No shame in that, given that no NBA pro or pundit knows it either.

DCZards · Post #409 » by **DCZards** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:31 am

payitforward wrote:As to who is or isn't "moving the needle," I'm pretty sure none of us know that. I don't, that's for sure. & you don't, that's equally sure. No shame in that, given that no NBA pro or pundit knows it either.

That's for sure. How many of us expected the 15th pick in 2011 (Kawhi) or the 15th pick in 2013 (Giannis) to "move the needle" as much as they have.

TGW · Post #410 » by **TGW** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:26 am

WizardsKev is advocating drafting Sengun, Kispert, Duarte, Jalen Johnson or Ayayi. He says no to Garuba, and is lukewarm on Moody and Murphy.

Ayayi looks like a steal.

payitforward · Post #411 » by **payitforward** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:33 am

Someone's going to get Ayayi somewhere in R2 -- & be very very happy.

PaulinVA · Post #412 » by **PaulinVA** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:00 am

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DCZards · Post #413 » by **DCZards** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:11 am

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I believe the Zards will draft Durate if he's there at 15. This mock has Durate going 14 to GS though, which I think is a good possibility. Kispert is pick #11...the highest I've seen him in any mock.

The mock has the Zards taking Trey Murphy at 15. Players coming off the board after that include Ziaire Williams and Jalen Johnson, who I would take at 15 if he's available. But I'd be alright with Murphy or Butler, who goes 17 to the Pels according to this mock.

NatP4 · Post #414 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:19 am

I’m positive that Ayayi will be a very good pro.

NatP4 · Post #415 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:24 am

payitforward wrote:Imagine the following:

we wind up with #7 & 14 via a Beal trade. Then we trade our #15 to the Knicks for #19 & 21 (as has been rumored). To make that work, they are willing to take Hutchison in return for their #32.

We draft:

Jonathon Kuminga (#7)
Chris Duarte (#14)
Usman Garuba (#15)
Sharife Cooper (#19)
Jaden Springer (#21)
Joe Wieskamp (#32)

That's one hell of a start on a rebuild, wouldn't you say?

I would take Giddey at 7 and Jared Butler at 19 instead of Cooper. Other than that, I love it. Somehow we should get another 2nd (Bertans trade?) and pickup Ayayi. Also, we will probably get the Lakers #22 overall pick, which could be used to take Murphy.

This would be our starting point on a rebuild:

Giddey Butler Ayayi
Duarte Springer
Avdija Murphy Wieskamp
Hachimura Garuba
Gafford Bryant

TGW · Post #416 » by **TGW** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:08 am

Jalen Johnson would also be my pick if it's between him, Duarte, and Kispert. Johnson has the highest ceiling and the most raw talent.

I'd consider Murphy a poor pick. He's literally just 3&D and literally nothing else. Rebounding, assists, steals, blocks...you're not getting any of that from him. I rate Ayayi over Murphy and many mocks have Ayayi in the 2nd round.

Also don't know why Queta isn't higher. Here's what nbadraft.net wrote:

"Queta is the tallest player in the draft, has the longest wingspan, and was a top five finisher among centers in the max vertical leap, standing vertical leap, lane agility and three-quarter sprint test at the combine…

Notes: Measured 6’11.25” barefoot, 7’0.5” in shoes 9’4.5” standing reach, 248.4 lbs, and 7’4.0” wingspan at the 2021 NBA Draft Combine …"

Those are freakish physical measurements. I get that he's a dying breed, but the physical size and measurements can't be ignored. Need a beast you can throw at Embiid because we have no one right now who can guard him.

queridiculo · Post #417 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:08 am

Kispert seems like the most NBA ready prospect and he'd plug in nicely with the Wizards projected lineup, but the guy I favor is Springer.

If Johnson and those two guys are off the board I'd start looking into trade trade down scenarios, picking a 24 year old rookie just doesn't sit right with me.

AFM · Post #418 » by **AFM** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:24 pm

Has Dat posted his tier list?

TGW · Post #419 » by **TGW** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:22 pm

queridiculo wrote:Kispert seems like the most NBA ready prospect and he'd plug in nicely with the Wizards projected lineup, but the guy I favor is Springer.

If Johnson and those two guys are off the board I'd start looking into trade trade down scenarios, picking a 24 year old rookie just doesn't sit right with me.

I have a feeling they have a deal in place to trade down with New York if Kispert isn’t there.

payitforward · Post #420 » by **payitforward** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:58 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:As to who is or isn't "moving the needle," I'm pretty sure none of us know that. I don't, that's for sure. & you don't, that's equally sure. No shame in that, given that no NBA pro or pundit knows it either.

That's for sure. How many of us expected the 15th pick in 2011 (Kawhi) or the 15th pick in 2013 (Giannis) to "move the needle" as much as they have.

Not to mention the 30th pick in 2011. Or the 60th. Or the 35th & 39th in 2012. The 41st pick in 2014.

In fact, look at picks 38-46 in 2014. 6 of those 9 guys have had good-to-great NBA careers.