Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[stevemcqueen1]

I would take George a hundred times out of a hundred over Porter.

Yeah he's an excellent player. Probably better than Otto will be. Otto isn't nearly as fluid or explosive as George. Not as good a ball handler. Probably will not be the defender George is. But I think he's going to be a better scorer. Smarter player. More of a true front court player too.

[stevemcqueen1]

Hibbert became a man this postseason. 26 and five years in. Takes 4-6 years for most bigs to fully bloom. He's a lot more fluid and athletic now than when he came into the league. I like that Georgetown edge too.

[Dat2U]

Paul George doesn't have Otto Porter's IQ or feel for the game. Porter makes great decisions with the ball time after time. George seems like a hot & cold player to me. He has great moments with long stretches of invisibility. George is a good player but he's overrated because he can't consistently maintain those high stretches of play. George improved his skill once he got to the NBA. Porter is much further along skill wise coming into the league than George was. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Porter. He's about as rock solid SF prospect seen in a few years. He's got a chance to be better than George, Hayward & Leonard who outside of Kevin Durant, represent the best of the young SFs out there.

[DCZards]

Porter is much further along skill wise coming into the league than George was. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Porter. He's about as rock solid SF prospect seen in a few years. He's got a chance to be better than George, Hayward & Leonard who outside of Kevin Durant, represent the best of the young SFs out there.

Agreed. Porter has the full package of skills.

[hands11]

Indy could really use Granger about now.

Onto San Antonio. Should be a great series. But I like Parker/Duncan/Manu and the team SA has as a group.

Pop should come up with something to carve up Miami.

Then we will see is Bosh jumps ship.

[mohammed10]

Indy could really use Granger about now.

Onto San Antonio. Should be a great series. But I like Parker/Duncan/Manu and the team SA has as a group.

Pop should come up with something to carve up Miami.

Then we will see is Bosh jumps ship.

Hands, I hope that you are correct. But I suspect Miami in 5...

[nate33]

Indy could really use Granger about now.

Onto San Antonio. Should be a great series. But I like Parker/Duncan/Manu and the team SA has as a group.

Pop should come up with something to carve up Miami.

Then we will see is Bosh jumps ship.

Hands, I hope that you are correct. But I suspect Miami in 5...

I agree. Indy is one of the few teams uniquely suited to take on Miami. I thought Memphis was the other team. Both teams have huge centers who can make Miami pay for playing the undersized Bosh at center; and both teams have a plethora of defensive-minded swing men who can stay with Lebron and Wade.

I don't think San Antonio has the pieces. They have the wing defenders, but I don't think Duncan is a good enough offensive player anymore. Bosh can guard him straight up and do a good enough job.

[hands11]

SA is rested up.

Duncan has slimmed down and has been playing great.

Parker is a real handful.

SA will not turn the ball over like Indy did.

Their offense is a machine.

And SA has the secret weapon

SA is way better then anything Miami has struggled with in this playoffs. SA is focused. They will win it for TD. Its been to long since they have won a title. They will be hungry and focused.

SA wins the title.

[AFM]

SA in 5.

[mohammed10]

SA is rested up.

Duncan has slimmed down and have been playing great.

Parker is a real handful.

And SA has the secret weapon

Sorry, Hands, but I have to agree with nate on this one. SA doesn't have the athletic length that Indy has (had) or can I see a 35 yr old Ginobili or a 31 yr old Parker blowing past anyone...

[rockymac52]

Spurs in 6. Those saying they don't have the athletic wings and length are crazy.

[Kanyewest]

So the argument on bullets forever against Zeller is that Babbitt was just as productive statistically. Why doesn't Babbitt show up as superior to Zeller in YODA?

Strength of competition. And team success against same.

I'm forever getting tantalized by Mountain West standouts. But with the exception of Kawhi I can't remember one who made a ripple in any recent era.

Zeller has played against last year's number one overall pick, and played about even in their two match-ups. Indy had a significantly tough schedule this year (14th toughest in the NCAA's). And as I understand it Kev is looking at the + side only of a player's +/- So Zeller gets credit for his positive effect when he's on the floor, but no special uptick for having mediocre back-up. He played the lion's share of available minutes at the 5-spot on a team that ranked at #3 best in the country (via Kenpom), and a team that defensively was the 13th best overall in adjusted D-Rating. He takes a share of that. Despite not being long, nor 'explosive'.

Pretty sure Kev will correct any misperceptions or errors but that's my read on it.

There is Paul George and of course the great Javale McGee.

[AFM]

How about Andrew Bogut?

[truwizfan4evr]

How about Andrew Bogut?

He Cant play in a suit and tie.

[pancakes3]

What's fascinating about the finals is that going into it the two teams never faced each other full strength all season. The first game was the one where Stern punished Pops for leaving Duncan behind to rest and the second game was the regular season finale where Lebron and Wade took the night off (with no reprimand). With the lack of game film, game 1 is going to be interesting to see if coaching can overcome home court.

[AFM]

How about Andrew Bogut?

He Cant play in a suit and tie.

My post was in response to the one directly before mine about the Mountain West conference.

[hands11]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

Oh yeah. Someone take a snap shot of this.

And with their first pick in the 2nd round, the Washington Wizards select.

Jackie Carmichael of Illinois State. This young man is a beast with some skills.

PS

My man Pierre just about the push into the first wrong.

[stevemcqueen1]

Paul George doesn't have Otto Porter's IQ or feel for the game. Porter makes great decisions with the ball time after time. George seems like a hot & cold player to me. He has great moments with long stretches of invisibility. George is a good player but he's overrated because he can't consistently maintain those high stretches of play. George improved his skill once he got to the NBA. Porter is much further along skill wise coming into the league than George was. I think a lot of people are sleeping on Porter. He's about as rock solid SF prospect seen in a few years. He's got a chance to be better than George, Hayward & Leonard who outside of Kevin Durant, represent the best of the young SFs out there.

George is a Pippen. The Pippen comparison gets thrown around a lot but I think George is the closest thing we've seen to Pippen since Pippen. He's not suited to being the guy for a franchise, definitely not on offense as the go to scorer. He's not that leader, not that scorer. He thinks too much and doesn't do. He passes over good shots to dribble into bad shots. He makes the wrong decisions with the ball as a scorer more than you like. And you're right that he does disappear and lose his aggressiveness on offense.

He is, however, a fantastic set up man and an elite wing defender that can do everything else well. He's an ideal glue man and second banana IMO. But he needs a Jordan. Indy needs that leader and that offensive player, among other things. This postseason, Hibbert became that kind of leader, and he was aggressive and dominant. And as a result, Indy suddenly looked really damn good, dominated the 2 seed, and took a 66 win team with a 27 game win streak to the wire, matching their level of play almost to the end.

I do think Porter can be "the guy" for an excellent team. That's what he was for GTown this year and he really elevated the team on his own. That team was not that great behind him. Not as loaded as UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, Duke, and Kansas were. Maybe not quite as talented as UNLV either. Though UNLV had trouble getting all of it's best players on the court at the same time. Anyway, Porter has the natural scoring instincts and skill level to shoulder the load for an offense. Only he doesn't have to shot jack to get his looks, they come for him within the offensive flow. He's some got work to do to fill out his skill set, mostly off the dribble. But it's stuff he can definitely improve in time.

I'd take Porter second. A SF that can score and rebound and guard multiple positions is one of the most valuable players in the game. His offensive skill set pairs perfectly with Wall. You can trust him to make good decisions immediately. I think we've been a bit spoiled by Beal's offensive IQ this year. He doesn't take bad shots or make bad choices. Porter and then maybe Zeller are the guys who can come in and be the same way as rookies.

[stevemcqueen1]

SA is rested up.

Duncan has slimmed down and have been playing great.

Parker is a real handful.

And SA has the secret weapon

Sorry, Hands, but I have to agree with nate on this one. SA doesn't have the athletic length that Indy has (had) or can I see a 35 yr old Ginobili or a 31 yr old Parker blowing past anyone...

Parker is still a jet and he's going to get his. But so is LeBron. Even more so. Their production will offset.

Manu didn't look good any more in that last series. But neither did Wade or Bosh until the final game.

Those two have been pretty bad this postseason. Miami is not going to be able to play like crap and just ride LeBron to a victory against SA like they did for most of the playoffs against inferior EC teams. But I expect guys 2-8 for Miami to step up now. Haslem and LeBron were the only guys who were consistently good against Indy. Bosh and Wade and Battier and Allen are all too good to keep playing so poorly.

Duncan is still every bit the player Hibbert and Gasol are. If not better.

I say if Parker and Duncan are the second a third best players in the series to as large an extent as George and Hibbert were in the ECF, then SA probably wins a long series. Their 3-8 is much better than Indy's. But if Bosh or Wade play like max contract guys and are the second or third best player in the series, Miami is going to cruise. They are so good when they are clicking.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This could as easily go in the trade thread. How about Seraphin + #3, #38 to OKC for Jeremy Lamb + #12, #29

With the twelfth pick select Olynyk or Adams. At 29 they could fill their two rookie quota by adding Nate Wolters. I think this improves backup talent at PG, SG, and provides a future starter at PF or C.

OKC can draft Oladipo in hopes he brings some of what Harden did with better defense. Seraphin would do great at C for OKC.

I'd rather do Nene+Seraphin+2nds for Perkins+Lamb+12. Still draft Adams/Olynyk at #12 and try to flip Perkins for someone else with a similar contract but at a position we need (Barea perhaps?) all while keeping the #3.

LR, I like your idea to keep the #3, but I can't see OKC giving the #12. They probably would give the #29.