Official Thread - Wizards vs Grizzlies (3/3/14)

[hands11]

Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.

Never let Singleton play again.

No doubt, not having Nene, Tell and Seraphin limited our options, but come on.

Singleton as 6th man, in for Beal?

Trotting out the all YMCA over 50 team... Gooden, BIG bottom Al, the Professor, Singleton out there at the same time. Wittman please!

When you have to find minutes for that many scrubs, you MUST stagger their minutes.

Yeah. I think Miller and even AH can help. Not sure what Gooden has left in the tank.

But playing all three together against a team like MEM is kind of
Just like he needed to do before with bench role players, he needs to mix them in. We saw how long that took last time for him to figure out.

I think part of the issue to also get considered is this. Its how quickly the lost Nene, Kevin and Webster. It all happened so quickly. And Randy is not one to adjust quickly.

Give him 10 games or so. He will stumble into the answer like he did last night.

What's more likely is Webster and Kevin will return and he can go back to what his paint by numbers that tells him what to do. He just isn't a very intuitive coach. He isn't going to take any instinctive gambles.

[Rafael122]

Can't be too upset with the loss. Memphis is one of the hottest teams in the league right now. But the Wizards definitely have to beat Utah and Milwaukee before facing Miami.

[dobrojim]

Singleton and Harrington just go away

Isn't it too late to add any players that would be eligible for the playoffs?

Not totally sure about this but I don't think it's nearly too late.

Just jumped in here 3 pages from the end after going last night, actually pretty decent
crowd considering the weather on a Monday night. While making no claims about
Witt being this or that level of coach, when any coach is faced with playing the
likes of a front line consisting of Gooden, Harrington and Singleton, well I just
don't think it's fair to expect a whole lot of success. No Nene, no Webster, no Seraphin,
Miller went scoreless as did Gooden (can we call him Bad-en?), 1'ton got one bucket.
Harrington shot 2-5. The starters did fine. Our bench clearly cost us any reasonable
chance to win.

Great to catch up with Dat at the game. Thanks for visiting.

Finally a decent showing by OP. Maybe we can cruise easily enough past MIL/UT
in the next 2 games to allow OP to continue to play even if Webster is back to being
ready.

Chic Fil-A - thanks Gasol!

[dobrojim]

I don't care if Wittman is fired. However, it cracks me up that there hasn't been any fire Wittman chants in 6 games. As soon as the Wizards lose, they resume. As I've said before, the players get all the credit for wins and the coach gets all the blame for losses.

And, I would like to see Otto play just as much as anyone. But, aside from the wide open 3 point shot, he did NOTHING else while in the game. In fact, he took a horrible shot off one leg when Booker was wide open on the block and committed a bad foul on Prince. Singleton sucks a**, but its not like Otto was lighting it up.

Bottom line is the Wiz were without Nene, Webster and Seraphin. Miller did not have a very good game. Beal sucked in the first half. Wall and Beal were both bad on the defensive end the entire game. And, oh yeah, or bench still pretty much sucks. To me, it looks kind of silly blaming Wittman for this loss simply because he did not play Otto and Temple more minutes. That is not the reason why we lost tonight.

Witt is a great defensive coach, horrible offensive coach, average coach overall which makes us an average team. Its just like the other teams fans use to say about Flip. They could win alot of regular season games but always got dominated in the playoffs because its all good defenses and they know how to take those stupid jump shot garbage away.

Its just so much of a struggle anytime we play a good defense. Looks like college crap. All I want is a pro Wall offense because I think he could be superior in it which would make us superior. I also hate Witt's sub patterns. They suck and cost us games

1. I think what makes us an 'average' team is a lot more about our players than our coach.
If I wanted to be critical of Wittman I would say he's not good enough to lift an average
or mediocre team much above what their talent level is.

2. Agree that it appears our offensive sets are not that ideal for our best player, Wall.
But he's still having considerable success and by some measures, maybe not consistently
enough but on a semi-reg basis, the offense can click. But I deplore the abundance of long
2s just like every one else. No argument there.

I remember not that many years ago when we had a complete inability to make 3 pt shots
OR to defend them very well either. Now we at least make them. I remember not that
many years ago when we were not a very good passing team at least measured by
number of assists or percentage of made baskets that are assisted.

[dobrojim]

Isn't it too late to add any players that would be eligible for the playoffs?




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Playoff teams must identify their postseason roster before the playoffs begin. They are allowed up to 15 players and can designate two as inactive for each game. Players are eligible to be on a team's playoff roster provided they were on the team for at least one regular season game, and were not on another NBA team's roster after March 1.

Thanks!

That means that Gooden and/or Singleton can be waived and a D-League or European league call up can be made.

We need a James Singleton type of player.

Or maybe just get the real thing. What's his story anyway? China?
I thought their season was over. I've been saying get JSing since even
before Nene went down.

[Rafael122]

I don't care if Wittman is fired. However, it cracks me up that there hasn't been any fire Wittman chants in 6 games. As soon as the Wizards lose, they resume. As I've said before, the players get all the credit for wins and the coach gets all the blame for losses.

And, I would like to see Otto play just as much as anyone. But, aside from the wide open 3 point shot, he did NOTHING else while in the game. In fact, he took a horrible shot off one leg when Booker was wide open on the block and committed a bad foul on Prince. Singleton sucks a**, but its not like Otto was lighting it up.

Bottom line is the Wiz were without Nene, Webster and Seraphin. Miller did not have a very good game. Beal sucked in the first half. Wall and Beal were both bad on the defensive end the entire game. And, oh yeah, or bench still pretty much sucks. To me, it looks kind of silly blaming Wittman for this loss simply because he did not play Otto and Temple more minutes. That is not the reason why we lost tonight.

Witt is a great defensive coach, horrible offensive coach, average coach overall which makes us an average team. Its just like the other teams fans use to say about Flip. They could win alot of regular season games but always got dominated in the playoffs because its all good defenses and they know how to take those stupid jump shot garbage away.

Its just so much of a struggle anytime we play a good defense. Looks like college crap. All I want is a pro Wall offense because I think he could be superior in it which would make us superior. I also hate Witt's sub patterns. They suck and cost us games

1. I think what makes us an 'average' team is a lot more about our players than our coach.
If I wanted to be critical of Wittman I would say he's not good enough to lift an average
or mediocre team much above what their talent level is.

2. Agree that it appears our offensive sets are not that ideal for our best player, Wall.
But he's still having considerable success and by some measures, maybe not consistently
enough but on a semi-reg basis, the offense can click. But I deplore the abundance of long
2s just like every one else. No argument there.

I remember not that many years ago when we had a complete inability to make 3 pt shots
OR to defend them very well either. Now we at least make them. I remember not that
many years ago when we were not a very good passing team at least measured by
number of assists or percentage of made baskets that are assisted.

Not suggesting Wittman is a great coach, he has his flaws, but as others have said in the past, he's playing the guys his boss brought into the organization. He doesn't want to play Chris Singleton, he was on the bench for 15-16 straight games, but he has to, b/c there's no one else, and there's no one better sitting on the bench.

[dobrojim]

Conley had a great game, pretty much the mirror image of Wall. I thought Marc Gasol had a fine game too. That's going to happen with excellent players like them. What killed us was Tayshaun Prince going off on us. We shouldn't have had so many problems defending him. And their bench trounced ours for the most part.

And it didn't help that Beal was so ineffective the whole first half.

Prince was the difference (along with the relative production from the benches).
I hope Otto was watching.

[Higga]

Singleton should never play over Porter. Ever. He is trash. I admit at the time I liked drafting him, I'll admit I was dead wrong on that. He is awful.

[dobrojim]

Singleton should never play over Porter. Ever. He is trash. I admit at the time I liked drafting him, I'll admit I was dead wrong on that. He is awful.

plus 1 on all that.

I was WAY wrong on drafting him. Singleton showed a little promise his rookie year
but nothing since then.

OP should not be sitting in order to play 1-ton.

[Nivek]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

[pineappleheadindc]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

#ThanksErnie

[FAH1223]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

[closg00]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

#ThanksErnie

The fact that Singleton worked-out for and was passed-over by other teams, should have been an indication of his true value.

[hands11]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

Hey Kev

Can you post the Yoda ranking for that year. You be interested to see how players are doing ranked against it.

Its been long enough to get an accurate reading.

Since it's based on actual production, I would assume Kyrie ranked high. Same with Kemba Walker. Faried with his high production rate makes sense.

Ves probably doesn't even get ranked. Bismack Biyombo was probably really low. Just curious to see what it looks like. Like were was Nikola Vucevic and Markieff Morris ?

[dobrojim]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

#ThanksErnie

The fact that Singleton worked-out for and was passed-over by other teams, should have been an indication of his true value.

Possibly but there is a long history of players that have been passed over that
ended up working out well. And other instances where being passed over was
the right call. At the time we drafted Singleton, we were a lousy defensive team.
From that view, it made some sense. Arguably and ultimately, it failed. Could
be seen as a case where EG was like a general fighting the last war instead of
planning appropriately for the next one.

So because Nerlens Noel was passed over, does that mean he will or won't turn
out to be a 'good' draft pick? I don't know the answer.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.

Never let Singleton play again.

No doubt, not having Nene, Tell and Seraphin limited our options, but come on.

Singleton as 6th man, in for Beal?

Trotting out the all YMCA over 50 team... Gooden, BIG bottom Al, the Professor, Singleton out there at the same time. Wittman please!

When you have to find minutes for that many scrubs, you MUST stagger their minutes.

Yeah. I think Miller and even AH can help. Not sure what Gooden has left in the tank.

But playing all three together against a team like MEM is kind of
Just like he needed to do before with bench role players, he needs to mix them in. We saw how long that took last time for him to figure out.

I think part of the issue to also get considered is this. Its how quickly the lost Nene, Kevin and Webster. It all happened so quickly. And Randy is not one to adjust quickly.

Give him 10 games or so. He will stumble into the answer like he did last night.

What's more likely is Webster and Kevin will return and he can go back to what his paint by numbers that tells him what to do. He just isn't a very intuitive coach. He isn't going to take any instinctive gambles.

Hands, I agree with you on Wittman's non - intuitive approach.

I view Wittman as a stand up guy. I love him to death compared to my feelings toward Wizards Coach Flip Sanders. I think he's very well - intentioned, and he's a scrapper. Guys will play hard for Randy. He's also IMO a pretty decent father figure. He's not a whiner. I like most of what I see from a distance. Randy shoots straight in press conferences.

But in-game adjusting, trying the best combinations of players, using the element of surprise, getting all his players game-ready, massaging egos, and most of all Winning are all not strengths. The man loathes analytics. He's settling in to trotting out certain guys, ripping some, and keeping a few behind the eight ball. Creatively he is not a genius IMO.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Singleton and Harrington just go away

Isn't it too late to add any players that would be eligible for the playoffs?

Not totally sure about this but I don't think it's nearly too late.

Just jumped in here 3 pages from the end after going last night, actually pretty decent
crowd considering the weather on a Monday night. While making no claims about
Witt being this or that level of coach, when any coach is faced with playing the
likes of a front line consisting of Gooden, Harrington and Singleton, well I just
don't think it's fair to expect a whole lot of success. No Nene, no Webster, no Seraphin,
Miller went scoreless as did Gooden (can we call him Bad-en?), 1'ton got one bucket.
Harrington shot 2-5. The starters did fine. Our bench clearly cost us any reasonable
chance to win.

Great to catch up with Dat at the game. Thanks for visiting.

Finally a decent showing by OP. Maybe we can cruise easily enough past MIL/UT
in the next 2 games to allow OP to continue to play even if Webster is back to being
ready.

Chic Fil-A - thanks Gasol!

Good stuff, jim.

So, you're wondering if that Gooden is a Bad-en?

I wonder how much he can show in 10 days? My Iitmus test for Gooden would include evaluating his rebound rate; how well Drew G gets back on defensive transition; and most of all if the guy brings good energy. Al Harrington is a guy whose mom fed the Wizards over a holiday. He's been an NBA player a long time. His been there, done that includes playoffs as a Pacer, a Warrior, and as a Nugget. Harrington also could score when he was with Atlanta. He's got NBA OG status, if you want to put it in common jargon. Like an old dog who testicles hang real low; he's a boss.

If Gooden still moves well and he's a source of light so to speak, awesome! But if he's done, I like what Charlotte did--they brought young. 7-foot Justin Hamilton.

I can think of LOTS of guys who Washington could call up: D'or Fisher, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Paul Davis, James Singleton, Joshua Akognon, Zeke Marshall, Jeff Foote, Nick Fazekas..

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Singleton should never play over Porter. Ever. He is trash. I admit at the time I liked drafting him, I'll admit I was dead wrong on that. He is awful.

plus 1 on all that.

I was WAY wrong on drafting him. Singleton showed a little promise his rookie year
but nothing since then.

OP should not be sitting in order to play 1-ton.

In 2011, there were only 2 guys who I did not want the Wizards to draft: Jan Vesely and Chris Singleton.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

In YODA, Singleton rated as a 2nd round pick -- at best. Kenneth Faried rated as a top 5 pick in nearly any draft and was still on the board.

I did not consult with YODA but I did say in 2011 that Faried selected at #6 would've been a good pick. Because Faried was projected to go twenties to round two, my hope was that Washington would draft him the spot Singleton went.

I wanted Kawhi Leonard/Faried or Leonard/Marshon Brooks or, especially, a trade down and end up with Faried and Brooks.

Nivek, Faried went low because he came from Morehead, and because of his SF/ PF tweener size, with almost no refined offensive skills.

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[AFM]

Al Harrington is a guy whose mom fed the Wizards over a holiday. He's been an NBA player a long time. His been there, done that includes playoffs as a Pacer, a Warrior, and as a Nugget. Harrington also could score when he was with Atlanta. He's got NBA OG status, if you want to put it in common jargon. Like an old dog who testicles hang real low; he's a boss.

He's a mack daddy simply put. Dude looks mean and he gets buckets